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Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) the community has not chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point)

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has not yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point)point); only nagged about it (and sorry but this is true)

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (and sorry but this is true)

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic.topic, hence explains B)

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (and sorry but this is true)(truth hits everybody, I know)

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B)B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know)

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know)know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

To adress the responsibility; one possibility could be a block-chain based store.

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

To adress the responsibility; one possibility could In order to enable the community to step forward, the problem of the responsibility for handling transactions and storing money needs to be a block-chain based store.addressed. And nowadays there are tools for such purpose (yes, I mean blockchain).

One could envision, for instance, each SFOS user to be able to sell/buy via cryptocurrency from the jolla store. Developers could cash-in on transactions to buy sold items; and users could execute purchases.

This would resolve most (if not all) of the cost issues; the main issue would be the real money -> cryptocurrency conversion; as well as the difficulty to constantly update the pricepoints (to keep real prices as fixed as possible).

I can believe this is something

a) the community could work on

b) would not require costs for hosting

c) would require "only" integration into the harbour store (as flattr alread has been).

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

In order to enable the community to step forward, the problem of the responsibility for handling transactions and storing money needs to be addressed. And nowadays there are tools for such purpose (yes, I mean blockchain).

One could envision, for instance, each SFOS user to be able to sell/buy via cryptocurrency from the jolla store. Developers could cash-in on transactions to buy sold items; and users could execute purchases.

This would resolve most (if not all) of the cost issues; the main issue would be the real money -> cryptocurrency conversion; as well as the difficulty to constantly update the pricepoints (to keep real prices as fixed as possible).from the cryptocurrency fluctuations).

A bigger issue, however, is the tax man. It remains to be seen how this could fit into the picture with cryptocurrency? Any legal experts could chip in on this?

I can believe this is something

a) the community could work on

b) would not require costs for hosting

c) would require "only" integration into the harbour store (as flattr alread has been).

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem.ecosystem. Setting up a paid app infrastructure requires a ton of technical work, and 1000 tons of legal work for each country where this should be usable from (taxation anyone?)

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

In order to enable the community to step forward, the problem of the responsibility for handling transactions and storing money needs to be addressed. And nowadays there are tools for such purpose (yes, I mean blockchain).

One could envision, for instance, each SFOS user to be able to sell/buy via cryptocurrency from the jolla store. Developers could cash-in on transactions to buy sold items; and users could execute purchases.

This would resolve most (if not all) of the cost issues; the main issue would be the real money -> cryptocurrency conversion; as well as the difficulty to constantly update the pricepoints (to keep real prices fixed from the cryptocurrency fluctuations).

A bigger issue, however, is the tax man. It remains to be seen how this could fit into the picture with cryptocurrency? Any legal experts could chip in on this?

I can believe this is something

a) the community could work on

b) would not require costs for hosting

c) would require "only" integration into the harbour store (as flattr alread has been).

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem. Setting up a paid app infrastructure requires a ton of technical work, and 1000 tons of legal work for each country where this should be usable from (taxation anyone?)

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared.shared, with the current tools available.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

In order to enable the community to step forward, the problem of the responsibility for handling transactions and storing money needs to be addressed. And nowadays there are tools for such purpose (yes, I mean blockchain).

One could envision, for instance, each SFOS user to be able to sell/buy via cryptocurrency from the jolla store. Developers could cash-in on transactions to buy sold items; and users could execute purchases.

This would resolve most (if not all) of the cost issues; the main issue would be the real money -> cryptocurrency conversion; as well as the difficulty to constantly update the pricepoints (to keep real prices fixed from the cryptocurrency fluctuations).

A bigger issue, however, is the tax man. It remains to be seen how this could fit into the picture with cryptocurrency? Any legal experts could chip in on this?

I can believe this is something

a) the community could work on

b) would not require costs for hosting

c) would require "only" integration into the harbour store (as flattr alread has been).

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem. Setting up a paid app infrastructure requires a ton of technical work, and 1000 tons of legal work for each country where this should be usable from (taxation anyone?)

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared, with the current tools available.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

In order to enable the community to step forward, the problem of the responsibility for handling transactions and storing money needs to be addressed. And nowadays there are tools for such purpose (yes, I mean blockchain).

One could envision, for instance, each SFOS user to be able to sell/buy via cryptocurrency from the jolla store. Developers could cash-in on transactions to buy sold items; and users could execute purchases.

This would resolve most (if not all) of the cost issues; the main issue would be the real money -> cryptocurrency conversion; as well as the difficulty to constantly update the pricepoints (to keep real prices fixed from the cryptocurrency fluctuations).

A bigger issue, however, is the tax man. It remains to be seen how this could fit into the picture with cryptocurrency? Any legal experts could chip in on this?

I can believe this is something

a) the community could work on

b) would not require costs for hosting

c) would require "only" integration into the harbour store (as flattr alread has been).store. But given precedences like (the floppy) flattr, I'd assume some of this work might have been already addressed.

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!

Please note I do not work for jolla. To put it simply : it's complicated. For what I can see, a few reasons that chip off from my hat :

A) the user base does not yet justify the investment for the development / infrastructure. Ecosystem is important, sure, but no users = no ecosystem. Setting up a paid app infrastructure requires a ton of technical work, and 1000 tons of legal work for each country where this should be usable from (taxation anyone?)

B) not even the community has yet chipped in (see Qt api's for android / ios store, would be a great starting point); only nagged about it (truth hits everybody, I know). The call of duty bears too much responsibility to have it shared, with the current tools available.

C) selling free software as paid apps is complicated, on all levels. Which re: to point A). I suspect this explains why the community has not chipped in yet on the topic, hence explains B). When money comes into play, the mindset becomes more serious by a magnitude of millions, and responsibilities get real.

This said;

it is true, that jolla could have contacted Opera store, for example, to ask them to host paid apps (they have their own android store). This however fragments the harbour store into two, which (from a product standpoint) utterly sucks.

It is also true, that as a Operating System provider (which jolla claims themselves to be), they could provide support for in-app interfaces in the first place (via Qt for example), leaving the backend handling to the developers, but this way easying the integration.

In order to enable the community to step forward, the problem of the responsibility for handling transactions and storing money needs to be addressed. And nowadays there are tools for such purpose (yes, I mean blockchain).

One could envision, for instance, each SFOS user to be able to sell/buy via cryptocurrency from the jolla store. Developers could cash-in on transactions to buy sold items; and users could execute purchases.

This would resolve most (if not all) of the cost issues; the main issue would be the real money -> cryptocurrency conversion; as well as the difficulty to constantly update the pricepoints (to keep real prices fixed from the cryptocurrency fluctuations).

A bigger issue, however, is the tax man. man.ve It remains to be seen how this could fit into the picture with cryptocurrency? Any legal experts could chip in on this?

I believe a platform like ethereum could be a viable starting point.

I can believe this is something

a) the community could work on

b) would not require costs for hosting

c) would require "only" integration into the harbour store. But given precedences like (the floppy) flattr, I'd assume some of this work might have been already addressed.

There are many points of discussion on this topic. Perhaps this is a good discussion point with jolla on the monthly #mer meeting!