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Voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least FOSS values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the best maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones (where Jolla is priced), the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept whatever they do, like the worst Apple fanbois do. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What they ask for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now represents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

Voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least FOSS values. Compared to the flagship phones running Android or iPhone flagships, iOS, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the best maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones (where Jolla is priced), phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful successful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept whatever they do, any behavior from them, like the worst Apple fanbois do. do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What they ask for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now represents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

Voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least FOSS free open-sorce software (FOSS) values. Compared to the flagship phones running Android or iOS, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still successful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept any behavior from them, like the worst Apple fanbois do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What they ask for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now represents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

Voted I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least free open-sorce software (FOSS) FOSS values. Compared to the flagship phones running Android or iOS, iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the best maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones, phones (where Jolla is priced), the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still successful succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept any behavior from them, whatever they do, like the worst Apple fanbois do from Apple. do. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What they ask Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now represents presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least FOSS Free Open-Source Software (FOSS) values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the best maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones (where Jolla is priced), the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept whatever they do, like the worst Apple fanbois do. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least Free Open-Source Software (FOSS) values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the best maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones (where Jolla is priced), phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept whatever they do, any behavior from them, like the worst Apple fanbois do. do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, lets let us not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least Free Open-Source Software (FOSS) values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept any behavior from them, like the worst Apple fanbois do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, let us not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least Free Open-Source Software (FOSS) values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept any behavior from them, like the worst Apple fanbois do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

tl;dr Jolla should ask us to volunteer the data, not require it

I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, let us not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least Free Open-Source Software (FOSS) values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept any behavior from them, like the worst Apple fanbois do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

tl;dr tl;dr Jolla should ask us to volunteer the data, not require it

I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, let us not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd values, none the least Free Open-Source Software (FOSS) values. Compared to the Android or iPhone flagships, it really has no place in the market. Even compared to the maximum bang-for-the-buck sweetspot midrange phones, the Jolla hardware lags behind. As we all know, the current state of the software is no where near as polished as what Apple and Google churn out. So what we have is a very promising enthusiasts phone, with lots of promise for the future, but it certainly isn't there for the mass markets yet.

Now I have seen my share of Apple fanbois, people that blindly accept and praise their favorite company, regardless of how that company acts, as long as the hardware looks beautiful. I really don't think Jolla can get away with the same for the audience they have! To believe in open source is a political state of mind, it is an ideal that has shown to be the most practical and powerful there is in the software industry (note how all still succesful mass-market OSs are based on open source). However, like all good political ideals, including democracy, it must be guarded and protected relentlessly!

No matter how much we love Jolla the company, we can not just accept any behavior from them, when they behave wrongly, like the worst Apple fanbois do from Apple. We must hold Jolla to their image and style, make sure they remember that it isn't the company itself, or even the beauty of their products that makes us want to be a part of this development - it is the promise of a good phone that takes the FOSS ideals truly to heart that makes the Jolla phone better than anything else on the market.

It is very easy for a company to slip up; the marketers want some basic demographic data on their customers, and then you find yourself requiring that data instead of asking nicely for it as a voluntary request. It is us, the community, that has to keep the company true to its line. Not only because we love FOSS, but also because we love Jolla, and Jolla can not survive without those who believe in FOSS.

Please vote the question up! What Jolla is asking for is a small thing, easily circumvented by lying, but a protest now presents a clear line at an easy spot, before Jolla falls down a slippery slope to a place much harder to get out of.

tl;dr Jolla should ask us to volunteer the data, not require it