Send files with Jabber/XMPP [duplicate]

asked 2015-09-13 19:43:48 +0300

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Hi,

I like to send files (documents, pictures) to my friends with the Xmpp protocol. Thats luckily no problem on my desktop OS with Pidgin, Empathy or KDE-Telepathy. But the File transfer option on my Jolla Phone don´t exist. Is this a big problem to implement this feature? Or exist this feature in the actual Sailfish version but I´m to silly to see that option? ;) When the file transfer really not exist, will this feature comes in the new Sailfsih 2.0 version?

Is there an alternative XMPP App for my Jolla Phone that support that feature?

Many Thanks quasar

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I think the reason this isn't implemented in the UI is because the usual XMPP filesharing is absolutely terrible in mobile scenarios, so it would cause more people to say it doesn't work than people to ask for this feature to be implemented. The backend does technically support it.

If you don't mind lack of integration and using an Android application, the must-use XMPP client for Android is Conversations, you can find it on F-Droid.

nthn ( 2015-09-13 20:47:53 +0300 )edit

Hi nthn, it's curious. What is the difference from mobile to my desktop in conjunction with XMPP? All use IP-Network and jolla is a system whats is near on a standard Linux.

Conversations is not possible to transfer files to other XMPP Clients. I think it can transfer only to other Conversations Clients.

quasar ( 2015-09-13 22:16:00 +0300 )edit

I mostly meant that the ways you can transfer files through XMPP generally don't work well when you're moving around, connection dropping here and there. Especially considering Telepathy (the backend) has no support for Stream Management (among other things that are important for a mobile XMPP client to function properly in case of bad network connectivity).

Regarding Conversations: that is not true, it can send files to other clients just fine. (But Conversations is probably the client that has the least issues with XMPP file transfers.) Please at least take a look at it before saying things that are clearly not true.

nthn ( 2015-09-14 01:35:42 +0300 )edit

Also most mobile operators don't give you an exclusive public IP address. You're most likely behind a NAT that causes problems with incoming connections. XMPP by default handles file transfers p2p, so establishing a connection might be difficult. I don't know if there's a way to make the server initiate a connection or act as a file transfer proxy.

Shoppinguin ( 2015-09-14 16:49:04 +0300 )edit

Nthn, I use XMPP every day very intensive. I have installed Conversation since 5 months on my phone I test it from time to time when a new release is coming. Chats works really good, but I have never transfer any file from my Jolla to my PC and vice versa. I have test today again Conversation 1.5.2 and now I have updated from F-Droid Store to Conversation 1.6.9 all say transfer not successful. How have you test it, which client you've used to test with Conversation? It can be a problem from my mobile provider you use another provider so you have no problems? It can be like Shoppinguin had written that it be a NAT problem? And all XMPP Client has a problem with NAT?

Please all other test Conversation it is now in the official Jolla Store and please tell us how works file Transfer.

quasar ( 2015-09-14 21:26:13 +0300 )edit

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There seems to me to be a lot of information in this question that is not in 14205, which doesn't mention Jingle for example. Would it not be a useful procedure, when DUPing questions, to add 'question 109399 has been marked as a duplicate of this question'. That is done on mozilla's bugzilla - it would allow anyone finding 14205 to find this question too, and any workrounds.

Or is there some other way to find DUPs of a question?

In B.M.O a bug containing references to dozens of DUPs shows it is important to users!

DaveRo ( 2015-09-15 19:05:02 +0300 )edit

the question itself holds nothing more, the comments maybe but then, people should comment in the other question and really, jingle and all of this discussion by comments is old news... we are discussing this ever since Jolla1 was released. For your general complaint, yes, I'd love to have a proper bugtracker... but in this case not that relevant.

chemist ( 2015-09-15 19:39:37 +0300 )edit

What a patronising response! So just because jingle is 'old news' to you everybody else must know about it. I'd never heard if it - so presumably that makes me stupid or ignorent. Is this how you treat all new users? And presumably people should repost their comments on the 'original' question now that you've helpfully identified it. How ridiculous.

My suggestion was a serious one. TJC may not do it automatically. but you could still cross-refer the questions to overcome the limitations of askbot.

DaveRo ( 2015-09-15 21:31:47 +0300 )edit

I have no idea if you are new or not. Sorry if you feel patronised, that was not my intention. Feel free to link this question in the other questions if you feel like it, it is just the way it was since ever and from a user POV I'd prefer to have people join existing conversations instead of having everything cluttered/duplicated. I am waiting for for xmpp enhancements too, conferences, file-transfer, voice, CC and so on. The actual limitation is the messaging frontend, telepathy and its plugins support a lot more. But Jolla prioritized other stuff. For overcoming askbot limitations by hand: I do not get paid enough to do that, actually I get paid nothing so there apply limits and circumventing askbot by hand is one such limit. If people are too lazy to search properly, I can be lazy and just point them to the right thread. Don't get me wrong, I would love to merge all duplicates and have all linked and nice but it is just too much to link back and forth. As said this is no bugtracker with auto-linking...

chemist ( 2015-09-15 22:02:54 +0300 )edit

OK. Truce. I've been on here a couple of months while waiting for my tablet. But long enough to see that TJC's users are trying to use it for three purposes - user Q&A, discussion forum, and bug tracker - and it doesn't support all those uses well. I'm familiar with SUMO and BMO, and to a lesser extent SUSE's bug trackers and support forums, so I know the problems of mixing support and bug reporting.

Coments are certainly as important as answers to new users like me, which is why I wrote my Firefox addon to track them. (And I've found that other askbot users, eg Ask Fedora, have the same issues with it.) But as you say that's not relevant here, so I'll shut up.

DaveRo ( 2015-09-15 23:07:01 +0300 )edit

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