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Issue #1: Jolla Survival Plan (failure is not an option) [released 2015-12-18] [released]

asked 2015-11-27 23:39:20 +0300

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[UPDATE 2016-01-30] Tablet Solution
Jolla has presented their answer for the TabletGate. Case closed. In my opinion, the answer "accept community made patches upstream" is now the best idea for securing a successful future for Jolla.
[UPDATE 2015-12-18] Jolla is back in business!
Congratulations! The correct answer has obviously been to be successful in negotiations and to cut costs. But as the author of this post I will take the freedom to accept answers as I see appropriate from now on. There have been some very good suggestions here and Jolla management would be wise to study them in detail.
But for the moment, let us celebrate that this bug has been fixed :-)

If you agree that Jolla and Sailfish OS must live on, please vote this up!

Help making this the top issue to send out a clear message that we do not want the Jolla ship to go down without a fight. (Show a great heart and give your vote even if you do not like everything that follows. BTW, this is a community wiki, your votes do not increase my karma.)

Contribute your ideas what Jolla should do now as answers (how to raise money, what business strategies to pursue, what mistakes to correct, etc.). One idea only per answer. Do not duplicate existing answers, vote for them. Use comments (not answers) for discussions and criticism.

Interesting background information:

[UPDATE 2015-12-15] Rowing the boat frantically: It looks positive, and a solution is possible already in the next few days. Sailfish OS 2.0.1, is coming up soon.

Jolla is now fighting for its survival. The key thing in this fight is that we succeed in our December financing round. If we do so, also the Tablet project can be resolved.

I believe that through this program Jolla can turn its business to be profitable in the future.

As a Jolla employee -who is still an employee- despite the layoff notice, I can tell you that there is still hope in the company surviving.

Jolla is hopeful that it can raise additional funding in December.

[UPDATE 2015-11-30, some valid points to consider] Issue #2: Why Jolla deserved to fail (opinion)https://together.jolla.com/question/123511/issue-2-why-jolla-deserved-to-fail-opinion/

Nokia rumored to bring out a new smartphone with Android and Windows:
How about Sailfish as a 3rd option?

Nokia Launches $16.6 Billion Offer for Alcatel-Lucent
Nokia seems to have money to spend. It would be nothing but fair if they would correct their mistake and help out Jolla now!

Why you should vote for this issue:

Jolla disappearing from the surface of earth is the most serious possible bug, isn't it? So this issue rightfully deserves more votes than even the notorious "Downloadable map-data and offline turn by turn navigation in Maps".

Look around and understand that there is NO shortage of money on this planet. It just happens that a lot of money flows to stupid or outright destructive purposes. Random examples:

The list is endless and you can certainly agree with me that the money invested in Jolla has produced much better results than many other "investments". Well, maybe except for the first point in the list... Messi is cool :-)

We really had enough bullshit on this planet and it is about time something good happened. Jolla surviving would be a nice start.
In our minds, let us all disagree with the gloom and doom for Jolla and instead envision a bright future where a user-friendly and mature Sailfish OS will give Google and Apple a run for their money and make Microsoft turn green with envy. The biggest battles are fought on a mental level. May the force be with Jolla :-)

Why am I writing this?

This week I happened to wear my Jolla T-shirt ("I am the first one") that I got for placing an early order.
I felt nostalgic and remembered how hopeful I was for this device, how much I enjoyed each update and how I grew to like this phone with all the faults it surely still has.
I remembered the many hours wasted away for rooting my Android devices just so I could use them reasonably. And I shuddered at the thought of having to return to this tedious route.
I remembered how much I read and learned about Windows Phone, iOs, Ubuntu phone, Firefox OS, Bada, Plasma Mobile, Tizen and BlackBerry OS 10.
All of these operating systems have serious drawbacks and even with its current weaknesses Saifish OS always came out on top as the best OS for my personal requirements.
So I decided that Jolla and Sailfish OS have to survive. And I hope you agree with me.

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That's the spirit! :) I'm happy to see this post. At least something cheerful! :)

Venemo ( 2015-11-28 11:40:02 +0300 )edit

+1 Let's vote it up +2000!

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 12:48:10 +0300 )edit

Voted already, Jolla disappearing is definitely not an option, alot of people love the phone am using, how sad would it be if the phone goes out of the market

DameCENO ( 2015-11-28 15:33:29 +0300 )edit

Thank you for the commitment. I think this is the perfect answer on the current developments.

cma ( 2015-11-28 17:09:04 +0300 )edit

Nokia buying Jolla is my biggest dream at the moment. Because Sailfish is the only one for me and that with Nokias hardware would be supercool.

MJolla ( 2015-11-30 21:24:38 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-11-28 01:46:11 +0300

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2016-01-30: Accepted as best answer from now on. Jolla has done a good job and SailFish has made a lot of progress. But there are still lots and lots of open problems and missing features and Jolla does not seem to have the horsepower to deal with them quickly enough. So open-sourcing as much as possible of the code and accepting contributions seems to be the smart thing to do now.

Jolla dev team action:

Try to accept community made patches upstream. Let the community help you develop the OS and the core apps. Let's do it together.

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My proposal would be to integrate the Patchmanager as a core part of the Operating System. This way, the OS will become highly customizable (for advanced users), while it still remains easy to use for less advanced users. One thing that I highly dislike with Apple and Android is that they try to pack so many unnecessary features in the core of the OS, that it becomes heavy to use and will no longer run on older HW.

With the concept of patches/functions that can be enabled on demand and develop by the community this can be avoided. I believe the patchmanager is a perfect start but needs official system integration and a way to directly download the patches within the application itself.

cma ( 2015-11-28 17:06:37 +0300 )edit

+1 Absolutely I agree!

cocovina ( 2015-11-29 11:28:42 +0300 )edit

Jolla could playasRed Hatdoes for Linux: involving outsiders/community in development of any package of fully open sourced Sailfish, being the guardian of the 'distro' and providing paid support for the ones are willing to pay for it (e.g. device manufacturers, etc).

zlutor ( 2015-11-29 20:50:54 +0300 )edit

Opening the door for volunteer software developers is a really good idea. Slow progress with SW development seems to be a major issue.
Dr. Saarnio: Overall, as I also explained in a recent TechCrunch interview, the alternative OS is a really big and challenging agenda. But I still believe it is moving ahead, yet very slowly.
Source: https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/

StaticNoiseLog ( 2015-11-29 22:33:35 +0300 )edit

My personal vision: The "community" would also include license partners like Intex and (hopefully soon) Fairphone. Jolla should focus on the core and low-level parts of SailFish. In addition, they should take on the role of a responsible administrator for the patch process (Jolla is for SailFish what Linus is for Linux).

All those subpar applications like "People", "Media', etc. should be fully open-sourced and it should be easy to replace them with alternative implementations. This could be an interesting selling point for partners, too: If Intex has the resources they could for example create a much better "Media" application and ship it with their phone. And they could offer it for other devices as a paid (!) application in the Jolla Store.

So we would have a modular mobile OS that comes with default applications (source code published) which could be replaced by community-driven versions. And the more of the core and low-level parts that Jolla dares open-sourcing, too, the quicker SailFish as a whole would make progress.

Jolla should think thoroughly about their business model and see how they could benefit most from open-sourcing while still generating income with SailFish. Google somehow did it with Android: "Thanks to a lawyer, we know now that Google has made $31 billion in revenue and $22 billion in profit from its Android operating system." http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generated-31-billion-revenue-google-oracle These sums should cover one or two death valleys, I guess.

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answered 2015-11-27 23:41:27 +0300

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updated 2015-11-28 10:45:46 +0300

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Jolla management action:

Call Nokia and find out if rumor of new Nokia smartphone with a choice of Windows or Android is true. Partner up with Nokia and sell them Sailfish OS as a 3rd option.


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Even if it is not, the risk of investing in Jolla for Nokia is almost zero (those amounts are drops in the sea for them) but the possible outcome of getting an innovative OS on their future devices could turn out as a game changer for the mobile industry.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2015-11-28 02:51:48 +0300 )edit

Definitely worth a shot. Would be surprised if they have not tried this already.

tortoisedoc ( 2015-11-28 07:56:26 +0300 )edit

@tortoisedoc: Indeed, they may be in talks with Nokia. Nokia is still under legal obligation to remain silent about any smartphone plans (because of the Microsoft deal). But as far as I understand they would be allowed to officially announce a smarphone in 2016.

StaticNoiseLog ( 2015-11-28 08:43:55 +0300 )edit

As Giacomo said, it's a completely logical option, and I have faith in both Jolla and Nokia to follow that strategy, if it's worth it from their respective points of view.

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 09:38:23 +0300 )edit

To be honest, I don't think Nokia management is smart enough to catch the opportunity.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2015-11-28 11:49:30 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-11-28 00:11:21 +0300

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updated 2015-11-28 11:03:42 +0300

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Jolla management action:

Apply for government support, be it Finland or EU.
Organizations and initiatives like this one: http://www.institut-eu.com/en/

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Today I had exactly the same idea. Europe (among others) should be serious about having the choice of independence regarding today's number one data gathering tools, smartphones and tablets. Sometimes I wonder, do we really care that little to just hand it over to the big ones?

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 01:41:28 +0300 )edit

Like mentioned below, there is funding for R&D in most of european countries. Jolla should definitely try to apply for such funding and develop new products. Though, this is not a short term solution.

ausgeregelt ( 2015-11-28 11:15:06 +0300 )edit

the company i work in runs multiple projects that are partly ( 25%) payed by eu. prototypes,new product features ... i talk here about eu money for research and development. so mobile operating system from europe should be on eu agenda

pawel ( 2015-11-28 11:54:05 +0300 )edit

Right! There's nothing new or special about EU projects.

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 12:49:36 +0300 )edit

Yes, keep the data within the EU! See here: http://www.europe-v-facebook.org/EN/en.html

stephan ( 2015-11-28 16:30:51 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-11-28 01:40:10 +0300

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Jolla management action:

Try opensourcing everything. Show that you are commited to open source and have nothing to hide. Jolla still owns the trademark, though.

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i added this because i personally know >5 people who would have bought the phone if this was the case. also its the most common requested feature in the forums i read on tech sites when they bring stories about jolla...

misc11 ( 2015-11-28 01:42:12 +0300 )edit

Open sourcing is crucial to survival and systems evolution.

richardski ( 2015-11-28 03:03:55 +0300 )edit

Opensourcing by itself is NOT the solution if there is no serious service concept behind. Blindly opensourcing without service concept is just suicide and only catering to a few people.

Flight406 ( 2015-11-28 20:22:16 +0300 )edit

Open the source: Because every sane, customer, developer and manufacturer will prefer an open system.
Ask yourself from the standpoint of mentioned three, why should I spend time and money on a system which is not really FLOSS?

// edit, dedicated @Flight406 HowTo earn money with FLOSS:

  1. sell porting and service to phone manufacturers
  2. over payed apps in store (even payed apps could be still floss)
  3. build and sell a new reference phone (old jolla is now to big with a to small screen, low res display, bad and slow camera)

Well. Red Hat is actually build up around point 1, only. But without source I won't spend my time on developing apps, Jolla sinks and my app is lost. The very same as phone manufacturer. The opened WebOS afterwards...nice try, too late.

PS: The official seal 'SailfishOS by Jolla' is only given, if a manufacturer pais your service. Includes your appstore and so on. Pretty much like Google does.

hoschi ( 2015-11-28 22:17:52 +0300 )edit

I know for a fact Open Sourcing the OS would truly bring in more customers. I have seen tons of Post online from the GNU/Linux community where they say they will not purchase a Jolla phone because of the closed UI and Core apps. GNU/Linux users want a truly Open Source phone to use. Currently their is none

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answered 2015-11-28 08:32:45 +0300

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updated 2015-11-28 08:49:35 +0300

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Jolla management action:

Invite Marc Dillon for lunch and apologize for whatever you may have said to him that could have upset him. Then ask him to lend his voice and face for a campaign to save Jolla. He was the face of Jolla, a charismatic speaker and very popular. If he would speak up for Jolla in public it would strengthen the morale of the community.

Marc Dillon action:

Don't be a spoilsport, accept Jolla's apologies and speak to the community one more time! You are sort of the nice edition of Steve Jobs :-) We have missed you.

Everybody action:

Don't be Grinches, show some Christmas spirit!

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this one made me smile :-)

stephan ( 2015-11-28 08:39:11 +0300 )edit

Right Christmas spirit -made me also smile :)

polarphone ( 2015-11-28 14:07:58 +0300 )edit


d (o_o) b

launchpad ( 2015-11-28 15:14:32 +0300 )edit

I guess he leaves because the tablet and the depending 2.0 GUI changes

poddl ( 2015-11-29 21:07:09 +0300 )edit

@poddl: It that really was the disagreement they had then I think Mr. Dillon's judgement was correct. The tablet is not a bad idea, but it came too early. Another phone with (much) better HW should have come first, be it from a 3rd party or Jolla.

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answered 2015-11-27 23:54:42 +0300

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Jolla management action:

Push through with the tablet. Personally I was not happy when I heard that energy would be diverted away from phones to make a tablet. But now that the tablet HW is basically ready and the OS is working on it, you must ship. Letting down the supporters who paid for a tablet costs Jolla a lot of reputation.

Clarification: With this answer I simply mean that the paid tablets HAVE to be delivered, no matter what it takes: Donations, management soldering motherboards in their free time, manifesting tablets out of thin air by sheer willpower, extraterrestrial intervention... whatever miracle. Just ship. No excuses. I like how lakutalo put this in words in a comment:
Even with both tires busted, the spokes ripped off, the frame broken and a bleeding knee I would walk the final 10 meters to pass flamme rouge!
It is what Dr. Saarnio is trying to do anyway: https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/

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dont know how they could do that with no money

michel ( 2015-11-28 01:53:37 +0300 )edit

Even with both tires busted, the spokes ripped off, the frame broken and a bleeding knee I would walk the final 10 meters to pass flamme rouge!

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 02:28:19 +0300 )edit

then go to china somehow get them to produce the tablets for you (maybe u can access the fab and make them all yourself) and walk them back home gl.

seriously I think if they could push through with the tablet they would. this is not something to be on a survival plan. it comes right after surviving

michel ( 2015-11-28 02:51:32 +0300 )edit

@lakutalo: That's the spirit :-) Indeed I think Jolla should really try EVERYTHING. A start would be to calculate how much money more they need per ordered tablet and publish that number. If it is say 100.- Euro I would certainly consider donating that money to make it possible for a fellow sailor to get his tablet. They could write my name on the box so he knows who helped him :-) Thinking about it, I think I will writet this up as an answer!

Jolla could also ask for non-financial help like volunteers for boxing the tablet. Just like cybette did for the office move: https://together.jolla.com/question/122860/in-helsinki-heres-one-way-to-help-jolla-on-2611-office-move/

StaticNoiseLog ( 2015-11-28 08:01:24 +0300 )edit

You know, I've thought about that as well, “A bird in the hand...”. I'd rather pay 100 bugs extra to finally get my hands on the very thing, instead of losing about 300 for nothing. I don't think that's already a gambler's dilemma.

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 09:50:48 +0300 )edit

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Jolla management action

Get SFOS running on as many (recent) devices as possible ... (tough one!) Might be even an idea to sell licenses to users (I can imagine for myself to buy some cheap Android phone and buy SFOS for a fee to install it myself)

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Thought of that one, too. Combined with finding a way to sell full-featured SFOS licenses (including aliendalvik) directliy to the end user this could help not only making SFOF more popular but also increase the incomes. I'd gladly pay 50,-- EUR extra to have the ability to run sailfish on a phone that I'd like to use (and that is still available in shops).
Enabling the store for paid downloads of SFOS-ports could also generate income for the porters. Maybe so we could see ports for recent devices that are ready as daily driver way faster- optimally while they are still in the shelves of our local electronic shop.

jcoder ( 2015-11-28 10:33:14 +0300 )edit

yes and i would introduce an anual plan. i have to pay for my virus scan anually so why not for the sfos and the updates. that would reduce the initial costs and keep the money flow

pawel ( 2015-11-28 15:57:58 +0300 )edit

@pawel, ok like buying a license and pay a small annual fee for support (i.e. new os versions)?

stephan ( 2015-11-28 16:28:06 +0300 )edit

+1 I like the idea. However, personally I think that before that can happen the ecosystem of sailfish still needs some work :/ But I also gladly pay a yearly fee in order to have an alternative to established systems.

cma ( 2015-11-28 16:38:14 +0300 )edit

Overall the system is in a good shape. Some things may bear some polish. If the official supported versions come with aliendalvik I can see no show stopper. SFOS is absolutly ready for daily use. There's no reason to hold it back.

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answered 2015-11-29 12:04:43 +0300

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Hello everyone,

My name is Luis Da Costa and I'm the CEO from a Portuguese Free Software company called LibreTrend. We've published 3 apps for the Jolla until know, and haven't published more simply because we lack time (and it was more of a personal project than anything else).

What I want to say before my proposal is. I'm 100% sure, that if in 2013 or at least in mid-2014 Jolla had made a pay-per-app possible it wouldn't reach this situation, because by now there would me more apps, more paid apps as well and most importantly, more revenue (even from the Android Apps, and this even know I would love to see the Jolla Platform without any Android at all... and yes this doesn't make sense know that we've published a "portage" of F-Droid).

Back to the point. We are actually in the talk with our actual clients, and for every project we win from our passed, actual and future clients, we also create a Jolla version of the application for free (so until February-March there will be at least 2 new professional application from us based on an application we are building for iOS).

So, in my humble opinion, if Jolla wants to continue, and we all want that to happen, they need to enable purchases in the Jolla Store! This is more important than any Tablet (sorry for those who didn't received them yet) or any Android Support, and this should be available from day one with the Jolla Store and not still in discussion after almost 3 years.

Happy holidays to all, and cheers from Portugal.

And to the Jolla Team, just remember that we (users, clients, developers, sailors!) are here together as one and won't let you down.

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Hi, Luis is it thinkable someone else opens a store for paid apps? Could OpenRepos introduce a paid app section, for example?

danfin ( 2015-11-29 12:54:35 +0300 )edit

I was asking for it looong time ago, too:

zlutor ( 2015-11-29 21:12:26 +0300 )edit

@danfin: It is a thinkable idea but not the solution. OpenReport having payments is not something we can propose to our costumers (who, we remember, are already lacking confidence on a OS they never heard about before). OpenRepos proposing payments is an excellent way to finance... OpenRepos, not Jolla. The Jolla Store needs it's own payment. I'm not talking about donations (like Flickr) or in-app purchases (we can leave that for later), but a simple payment method directly in the store.

LibreTrend ( 2015-11-30 20:09:40 +0300 )edit

@zlutor: I don't see ads as a good thing for now because Jolla wouldn't make money out of it. But paying Jolla in order to have our apps on the top could be a good idea.

LibreTrend ( 2015-11-30 20:14:49 +0300 )edit

@LibreTrend Of course the best scenario would be if Jolla would gather revenue from app payments but I believe that if there would just be any way to make purchasable apps, the programmers would get revenue and thus be awarded for their work. This could lead to more native apps being available which in turn would make Sailfish more desirable as an OS for the public. I would for example be more than happy to pay for turn by turn navigation and spoken directions.

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answered 2015-11-28 00:01:18 +0300

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Jolla management action:

Start a crowdfunding for a Jolla 2 phone. Aim high-end, not cheapo-phone. Take Ubuntu Edge as an example (raised 12 mio US$). Set the goal high enough so that you have lots of reserves if the campaign succeeds.

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The only problem with this is that Jolla should not jeopardize community's faith with the tablet campaign prior to any new hardware campaign. Then of course, this would be highly possible.

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 12:45:26 +0300 )edit

Who's going to support a crowdfunding campaign from a company that has failed to deliver a previous campaign?

Jolla seriously lost the support and goodwill it enjoyed. Not only because they failed to deliver so far, but also for failing to communicate with the backers.

I seriously doubt that any crowdfunding platform will allow a company in debt restructuring (basically the final stage before bankruptcy) to start a campaign.

I may still consider buying a Sailfish phone, but only with strict assurance that I only pay when the phone is delivered.

bilgy_no1 ( 2015-11-28 18:48:29 +0300 )edit

A cheap phone is no-go. People that would buy a jolla as alternative normally have an iPhone or Galaxy and are fed up with the eco-system that is either proprietary or data - greedy.

Flight406 ( 2015-11-28 20:19:12 +0300 )edit

No. Please no more new cell phone (or any HW). Focus all resources on the development of SFOS and efforts to license it and push it into usable HW of well established brands.

cocovina ( 2015-11-29 11:40:35 +0300 )edit

I agree with @cocovina. Any new HW will only take away the focus from making SFOS better (for the community, and more attractive for investors). The tablet should be tried as hard as possible to ship because it was promised and is basically ready... But new HW project will only take away the focus from what is needed

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Community action:

Buy as many Jolla phones as you possibly can afford. Give them away as Christmas presents this year. Better than perfume, socks and ties!

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a) price should be 199 incl. shipping b) a lot of people would need a guaranteed shipping after payment do not know how much effort it would be to pay on delivery. with a company back to wall .., i had to wait 3-4 weeks in february till phone came. nowadays would be very nervous

pawel ( 2015-11-28 09:01:06 +0300 )edit

.... actually I wanted to - but I'm in doubts they'll deliver :/

launchpad ( 2015-11-28 15:15:42 +0300 )edit

I like the idea. Still considering. I actually wanted to wait for the Index phone, to obtain a "future ready" phone. I might have to reconsider now.

edit: I guess for those unsure about the delivery: Just pay with PayPal and you basically have a 180 days money back guarantee, in case something goes wrong.

cma ( 2015-11-28 16:35:03 +0300 )edit

And if you notice an 'Out of stock', don't give up! Just wait and come back after a couple of days.

lakutalo ( 2015-11-28 17:28:56 +0300 )edit

+1 Generally a good idea. I agree with @pawel. The price cannot exceed 199 Euros including VAT and shipping. I think that's the magic price limit.

cocovina ( 2015-11-29 11:46:23 +0300 )edit

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