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Jolla does NOT need a new phone [opinion]

asked 2015-12-17 02:43:30 +0300

Shmet gravatar image

updated 2015-12-17 02:49:58 +0300

Every time I'm doing research on Jolla, I see someone, somewhere, demanding a new phone from Jolla. My first question then is: Why? The main issue seems to be the hardware. It's outdated. And in terms of our current market system, that is true. But IS it really true?

I believe that the current market is going way too fast. Every half year there is a new processor which is 10% faster. I mean who cares? When I compare my jolla phone to my friends nexus 5X, the nexus has better hardware specs, but is it really better? The screen drains more battery because of all the pixels that need to be rendered and the processor is only partly used because it's completely overkill for what is necessary in a mobile phone.

I love what Jolla has done with SFOS 2.0, my battery life increased (now 4 days on light usage), the browser got faster, and I like the notification screen. But most of all, the phone feels smooth. It's a pleasure to work with. Ok it lags sometimes, but so does the nexus!

So we don't need better hardware, we need software that makes better use of the hardware there is! And that's what Jolla is giving us: monthly updates and pretty good software. Everyone can feel the massive improvements over the last 2 years.

A bigger screen with more pixels? It would drain more battery.

A faster processor? Would be nice, but I'm not photoshopping on my phone.

What do we really need?

  • 4G for futureproofness (<- is that a word?)? check
  • wifi AC? sadly, no. But not really necessary either.
  • Bluetooth 4.0? check
  • Micro SD? check
  • GPS? check (though I admit, I truly miss google maps navigation)

Its truly only the connectivity we need, right? It would be nice to have a better screen-to-body-ratio, a better camera,... But do we NEED it?

PS: I believe they should be more creative with the TOH and sell things that we can add to our phone instead of a completely new one. I wish i could find a TOHKBD - battery combination. So I can get a week battery life and a nice keyboard for work in the terminal. (If anyone can tell me where to find a TOHKBD pls do tell me)

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Depends, it's not 3D-rendering here. There are better options than just adding more RAM, like better swap-handling or something.

Shmet ( 2015-12-17 02:59:55 +0300 )edit
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Yes, it does...

Otherwise it will be really difficult to get new customers in volume. Regular customers will not buy a new phone with years old hardware - regardless how good or bad its performance is. Except some die-hard supporters. :)

Not to mention they have no idea/information what performance of current device has...

Believe me, not even Apple - with its second-to-none marketing machinery - would make it...

zlutor ( 2015-12-17 10:06:43 +0300 )edit

Some people have also other needs such as good quality camera (I realize that it is important to me, coming from the N9) or a good screen.

Vivien ( 2015-12-17 17:14:47 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-12-17 23:15:25 +0300

Fiery gravatar image

updated 2015-12-17 23:16:50 +0300

IMHO the bare minimum an up'n'comin' mobile OS these days needs is the following 4 devices:

  • a mid-range phone with up to 5 inch screen (check)
  • a high-end phone with a large screen, a.k.a. a powerful phablet
  • a smaller tablet with up to 8 inch screen (check... well......... :)
  • a bigger tablet with a 10-11 inch screen

Without such a selection of devices, developers may come up with apps, but would be tough to prepare them for various form factors and device types. The Jolla tablet is a huge help, but things should keep moving forward quicker than the current pace.

But considering the limited resources of Jolla, IMHO the order of upcoming moves by them should be:

1) Ship all the tablets. If necessary, get more funds via a new campaign. I'd definitely join since I missed the first campaign.

2) Develop the high-end phone/phablet. For nothing else, it would be a better device to show off the beauty of SFOS if the device had an up-to-date screen.

3) Develop the bigger tablet.

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I wish there were still a Nokia N9 or Lumia 720 form factor. For me this would be the reduced to the max highest level :-)

chappi ( 2015-12-18 15:22:25 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-12-17 22:03:36 +0300

vattuvarg gravatar image

updated 2015-12-17 22:35:36 +0300

Jolla should make phones too. Other brands are free to set their design priorities according to low-cost or high-performance. But it is almost unheard of to create phones where open-source-friendly hardware and security considerations are the priorities. So there is definitely a market for a Jolla phone (or two).

One example can be found in the crowdsourcing thread about J2. One of the most significant wishes from the users of this forum is that the next GPU should have open-source drivers.

Another example of an unlike priority is considering a phone sized for smaller hands. There are rumours that Apple will replace the iPhone 5s with a new device of similar size. Other rumours state that Sony will have a four inch phone in their coming z6 line-up. But those are just rumours so far and the marketing droids are still stuck in the bigger-and-faster groove. Jolla could choose to listen to their users instead. Few other companies have that possibility. They don't have the equivalent to this forum.

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answered 2015-12-17 17:09:23 +0300

Macilaci457 gravatar image

No, Jolla does not need a new phone. Sailfish does.

It is not about the hardware, but the attraction to spread Sailfish OS.

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answered 2015-12-17 11:38:50 +0300

cemoi71 gravatar image

Depends on what Jolla want to do with sailfish os.
If one day they want (for example ) to give the phone solution the possibility to use it like a desktop.
Means more ram, more rom, stronger cpu, and stronger graphic unit, for allowing to display things on a 2k or 4k screens without lags. Then they should bring a new phone which allow it.
Don't forget that they separate the OS-Team from the Hardware team.
Hardware team should earn money too.

And i think we should not forget the TOH concept. According that not so much effort was not given to this interface (no critic to jolla, they could not do it with their capacity), No other phones would mean the death of this interface.

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answered 2015-12-17 11:37:56 +0300

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updated 2015-12-17 11:39:51 +0300

I think "slowly" necessary a new phone, and most user would buy that...

The most important deficiency for me the camera, should be a big update... But more other things should change in and out of the phone. So the camera is clear (the current is very low quality...) + I prefer a camera button. The screen type and resolution, amoled screen and HD or maybe fullHD resolution, it depends from new HW... (but I think the HD is enough for this screen size), I think the screen size is optimal shouldn't be increased (rather reduced to 4.5") More RAM and stronger CPU/GPU because of the serious games, if someone wants to play with 1-2 bigger android games, he can't normally (unfortunately own experience)... A little bit thinner and comfortable form for one-hand usage And the most most important the speaker quality, because the Jolla phone's one of the biggest error: in many cases poorly hear the caller... (and this is my second Jolla Phone, both were built with bad quality speaker!)

Apart from these anyway I love my phone, but I want a new Jolla Phone(2) ASAP! :)

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answered 2015-12-17 11:14:02 +0300

Giacomo Di Giacomo gravatar image

The damn thing starts swapping every time I touch anything, including the UI. I don't know about you but I need 3 GB as a bare minimum for a pleasant experience. About processing power, we can get CPUs that are 5 times as powerful as the current one for the same price, so why waste money to get less? About the screen, apart from the fact that an OLED unit would be more than welcome, while screen density is enough for me, I sorely need more real estate for almost all tasks, including not hitting the wrong key on the keyboard half of the time.

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answered 2015-12-17 11:11:18 +0300

stephan gravatar image

An incremental improvement of the existing hardware would be a hit. And the possibility to run SFOS on a bunch of other phones ...

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answered 2015-12-17 10:58:23 +0300

ApB gravatar image

Jolla does need a new phone. Not that the J1 is totally crap but it must/needs to attract people.

First of all is the external design of the device. It doesn't feel nice to the hand has enormous bezels and weights more than it should and isn't as rugged (ip67 maybe?). We need something more sophisticated. A better screen (4.5" 720p) is also necessary. More ram would be nice. (2-3gb). A quad core should be enough. USB-C with video out would be a killer feature.

And most important of all. It needs a world phone. A phone that will work with the latest network tech all over the world no matter what.

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These are all correct (if the screen is amoled...)! Just + 2 important thing. A normal quality speaker! And a really quality camera! That's all.

liqquid ( 2015-12-18 13:41:45 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-12-17 10:39:50 +0300

Marius gravatar image

Screen in current jolla phone sucks everywhere south of Alpes;-) North of Alpes Sun is probably less bright.

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answered 2015-12-17 10:24:49 +0300

tvicol gravatar image

I agree with you, except few points:

A better screen that drain less battery is an amoled one. A faster and more powerful CPU made with FinFET technology will drain also less battery. An USB-C will charge your phone faster while file transfer will be improved.

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