[survey] Would you buy another phone from Jolla? [not relevant]

I think Tizen will not appear on a phone. So far Samsung is using it only on TVs etc. I have seen it working already it is quite fast in TVs definately better than the old system

Too late, Samsung released two phones with Tizen last year (Z1 and Z3) but only in South-Estearn-Asia. Then Samsung sold 3 millions of these phones, it's a big number. Some leaks seemed predict refresh of these phones this year and a more powerful phone for European market too.

I think Tizen should be a well alternative and it is not dead for phone market. ;)

Oh nice. I would like to test one! I didn't hear about that at all. I had a Bada Wave once was ok but had extremely many bugs not comparerable with SFOS at all. I always hoped Tizen would be my next one afterwards but it took too long...but with SFOS I waited for the better variant.

Why would anyone steal Jolla phone because according to average Android and iOS users, Sailfish is next to impossible to use and learn ;)

Yet you are still here.

hey malibu you may just kidding right?

Kidding why? He just prefers pre-1.1.9. UI so what? I also missing some functionality from old UI and thus I have to use patches which is quite annoying. And multitasking is indeed very strange (if functional at all) with SFOS 2.0 on phone.

yes kidding because only by just thinking that multitasking no works by himself and make from it a general rule for all is a joke! make a huge strike because only you missed a part of ui where other are satisfied is not mature.
I make myself not a mess all over the world because i can't synchronize my calendar and contact with my device because a bug. But you know that is for me life-important, and i adapt my self until it works!
there are more things important than just some ui problems and a multitasking which is probably mistaken through a misuse or a wrong configuration (which could maybe solved if it's communicated to jolla or community).

Uitukka (1.1.0) killed multitasking, not Eineheminlampi (1.1.9).

If anything, some of that was fixed to some extent in Saimaa (2.0.0).

1/2

You have an interesting point of view, could be that you are right an Jolla is about to die soon, who knows. But for me it doesn't look like it. It is not so easy as before but the next update 2.0.1.7 is already out for early accessors and will be soon for the rest. And lazy they are for sure not, I guess you don't see what it takes to be a company with startup background. Just for comparison I will stay within the mobile branch:

Example 1: Samsung Bada Some may know it, in 2010 Samsung brought its own Linux based phones on the Market, with Bada System, Bada was as alternative to Android and iOS marketed there were huge campaings for developers and the hardware was quite good. I own the Bada phone Wave myself and it was top at the time. Some details: AMOLED Screen, Battery changeable, good cam, TV out !! through headset connector!, simple using setting like separate cam button to just from locked phone directly into making a picture by holding the key longer... Now the set back: Updates, a complete disaster there where three versions of Bada available: 1.0, 1.2 and the final 2.0 every version changed something so massively that apps and widgets didn't work any more correctly, for example in 2.0 you can not use any widget as the widget part of the gui is constantly crashing, in 1.0 email calendars and some apps from the store (partially the samsung app store itsself) could not be used. The browser was a mess... There was NEVER an alternative store like openrepos /warehouse. Apps/Games that came with 1.0 disappeared from the phone after the update seems like samsung didnt want to pay for license or something similar. Again the hardware was quite good but the software could give you grey hairs. So what happened in the end? Bada died. I think Samsung brought 5 or 6 phones with bada to the market but only the Wave 1 was good the others were all less good equipped. Not a smart move if you see how many people now a days only but because of specs...

you are giving me an example of lazy company as Nokia was... They were slow and without focus... They tried to copy, but they didn't understood the core... Jolla comes from the same heritage... but with less money... so the answer is clear. They will disapear, as well as the tablet and money from the customers and backers. Too late now! the managers of Jolla are as bad as the ones that managed Bada, Meego, Nokia, etc... In a startup world, doesn't matter the idea (10%) , matters the execution (90%) Look at the executives from Robin! a good example that without no much money, and a crownfounded project could be well executed. because they were focused.

2/2 Now compare this updates (3 in total) with Sailfish Updates: I recently resetted my phone and needed to come back from 1.0.0.5 to 2.0.0.10 you get around 5 major updates, but if you were following the usual update cycles on time you actually got around 16 or 17 updates. NO, I repeat NO other OS distributor of ANY Mobile OS has ever done something like this in such a short time.

Example 2: Blackberry I own a Blackberry Bold 9900 the old flagship before the break in Blackberry came, quite good phone I like the hardware keyboard, battery is good, cam too, store has some quality apps and whatsapp is also supported with a native app (makes it easy to adapt to the phone). Set back? yes it has OS 7.1 which needs a complete server infrastructure from RIM/Blackberry to work otherwise you cannot use the built in email client or the browser. It is made for companies not for private users. Update to BBOS 10? forget it.

Example 3: Our favourite: Microsoft Not much to say except for Win Phone 7 and 8 somebody remembers? The first Nokia Lumias? You bought one just to find out that the phones with win 7 system are outdated after purchase and will not get any more updates only after huge public "scandals" Microsoft made an update to 7.5 to give users some features and updates. Official statement the technique of the new phone version is substantially different, yes sure.

So now I would like to ask for what are you suing Jolla, I hope not for crowd-funding the tablet via indiegogo, if yes your lawyers should check if you maybe fall under the classical investor clause - you gave money in hope but you never made a contract, in comparison to the jolla.store customers who pre-ordered and pre-paid the phone, they have made a contract with Jolla...

You keep giving me fails. I know that big companies also have epic fails. Because they misunderstand the business. Suing Jolla, is about what was the purpouse of the crowdfounding, and here is the point. They recognized they used the money for the OS, after long months saying it was a matter of the display... but the claim is much more complex, and after all they used a platform to get money, they used a platform of payments independent of indiegogo(and that indiegogo uses) that has a estrict terms and conditions, so they will have to face not only my sue. Because we will contact each part of the proces, and many partners will be called... In other words They LIED, they said that was for a tablet not for an OS. And sure backing is a risk, but we will demonstrate that they LIED, so the crowdfounding terms are not appliable. We have collected all tweets, posts, communications from JollaHQ, and Jolla. It's not a matter of money now, it's a matter of honor, and we'll go deep...

You can not say that Samsung is a lazy company, or has lazy managers. The throw out so my phones on the market it's ridiculous. Just search for Samsung Galaxy Phone which result you will get ? Apart fro the famous S models you will also get the Alpha models (more close to iphone by materials) or the Ace models which are beginner phone or one of the 100 other models that are already background noise on the market.

They are fast but they are just looking for fast profit not for long term userbase. Managing a good Software Ecosystem is much harder than just throwing out new hardware every 3 to 4 months. Ask Apple. Nokia made some mistakes like letting the OS groups fight against each other instead of using synergy effects and the never had the idea of a app-store concept until it was too late and they became a me too follower with the ovi store.

throwing lots of phones does not says nothing. Ask apple, just now, they have more than one model. But all with the same hardware. Almost. Samsung, Nokia,...They are lazy in thinking and building. Arriving late does not matter. Google was 14th search engine that came live. Facebook was not the first social network,... Nokia was lazy because they had a dominant position, and not only in market share, also in cash.They were a lazy and old executives, without ambitions. Jolla, they dreamed, was nice, they talked a lot, they promised a lot, they executed very bad. They were out of focus. In spanish we say: "Quien mucho abarca poco aprieta" They started with a launcher and OS, then the tablet, now the ventures, ... at last what it is true is that they have NO developers (look at the store), Unsatisfied customers, NO TABLET, NO TOH, ... NO partners...

Actually with your last answer you made very clear that Apple is the only phone manufacturer who makes profit with their phones AND the software all others either make losses (Samsung Mobile in Hardware compared to Google Android where Google earns with every sold phone) but e ven Google made loss with their hardware remember Motorola? bought by them to produce the Nexus Models but already the very next Nexus model came from LG, I Think. And now? Motorola belongs to Lenovo..Google wanted the patents nothing else. In the past there were so many companies: Siemens, Benq, Ericson (now part of Sony), Alcatel, Sagem, Motorola, NEC, Nokia, Palm, Sharp....who is left? who didn't fail? at least partially?

I wish you look for your suing but I would be upset if this kind of suing brings down one of the last free OS that has actual hardware were it runs on.

@darius And your reason for being here is... what? Just buy an iPhone and be happy! @PatsJolla You make some valid and very interesting points; that Jolla compares quite favourably with companies a thousand times their size really says it all.

As someone who has owned and loved the Nokia N900, and who still happily uses a four year old Nokia N9, I am insulted by the OP's suggestion that these were the products of "lazy" people - they were both revolutionary handsets of the highest quality, hardware and software. If one is unable to appreciate these legendary devices then it's probably better to remain in the Apple/Google comfort-zone.