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[Hope] Jolla-Nokia joint venture

asked 2016-01-29 00:42:12 +0300

palikao gravatar image

updated 2016-12-24 00:12:01 +0300

Just a hope, just a tag.. Please, just a gift! Make it european!

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It's up to Nokia. I doubt they are considering re-entering the mobile phone business. Probably not even the consumer market. Unfortunately.

objectifnul ( 2016-01-29 01:07:46 +0300 )edit

Considering the best selling Windows Phone device is a 3 year old Nokia, this should give them a little confidence. Nokia has enough fans around the world. It depends on what they want to do with this. Android is the safer bet for sure, but why not making two identical devices, one of them running SailfishOS? No need for distribution and support because jolla would have to do this through their website. There's pretty little risk there for Nokia.

Anna ( 2016-01-29 05:19:03 +0300 )edit

Nokia seems to have (smartly) focused on creating the infrastructure of web services and not the devices for consuming said services. Case in point: marketing the Ozo Virtual Reality camera but not offering products for the soon-to-be-saturated VR-glass market. Maybe they will license some designs as proof-of-concept -devices, but I doubt they'll be a big phone/tablet manufacturer anytime soon. Sailfish OS would make a great universal touch-device interface though, so I also hope that Nokia might license it :)

ultraboy ( 2016-01-29 10:24:10 +0300 )edit

All I Have To Do Is Dream - Everly Brothers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbU3zdAgiX8 ;-p

Maximilian1st ( 2016-01-29 10:25:32 +0300 )edit

In my understanding, what Jolla needs first is revenue from business agreements (partnerships or whatever) with (a) mobile hardware actors, (b) mobile software publishers. Today, Nokia is neither of them.

objectifnul ( 2016-01-29 10:27:36 +0300 )edit

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answered 2016-01-29 19:13:10 +0300

joachim gravatar image

Interestingly, it appears that Windows Phone is dying. I am joining OP in hoping.

Nokia used to make very innovative phones before the Android /iOS duopoly. I would definitely consider buying a phone with Nokia hardware and Sailfish OS.

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I can understand your nostalgia. However it's time now to realize that the Nokia business has changed: you will never see again things like Communicators, N9, N9500 with "Nokia" written onto them. People who designed them have dispersed - some of them to Jolla, then left Jolla as well. Designing disruptive concepts in mobile telephony is a stiff vocation.

objectifnul ( 2016-01-29 20:01:26 +0300 )edit

oh no, they only sold 400 million devices in a quarter. Jolla has sold that many never

r0kk3rz ( 2016-01-29 20:49:21 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-02-11 10:49:10 +0300

launchpad gravatar image

updated 2016-02-11 10:52:51 +0300

Gigaset would make an interesting European cooperation / licensing partner as well.
State of the art both tech-wise and quality-of-make-wise ... Their long-time experience in developing & producing high quality DECT devices for sure is convincing concerning HW competence.

I didn't knew neither they were entering the mobile devices markets, but they're just about launching their very first smartphone device family - pity it's running [ yet ;) ] on Android !

More on this: http://www.gigaset.com/de_en/gigaset-smartphones.html

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Am I wrong, or there is neither support for NFC nor support for LTE Advanced?

In addition, non removable battery, correct?

Laurent S. ( 2016-02-11 11:15:30 +0300 )edit

@Laurent S. :

• Qualcomm Snapdragon 810, 8 core, 64bit | LTE Cat.6 | dual SIM | 128GB µSD | UV | IR RX/TX |

• No user-replaceable battery. No NFC ( according to specs ).

Source: http://www.gigaset.com/en_en/gigaset-smartphones/gigaset-me-pro.html

launchpad ( 2016-02-11 14:30:52 +0300 )edit


Thx, I had scanned the specs too quickly and missed the battery part.

No NFC indeed, confirmed by Gigaset (e-mail to customer support).

Laurent S. ( 2016-02-12 14:21:10 +0300 )edit

I checked the specs, and while it's a big bang for the buck, I don't think it's a very good choice. It launches with Android 5.1.1, even though the current branch is now 6.0.1. So the question is immediately: how long will it take to get updates? And how long will it be supported?

This is exactly the biggest problem with Android IMO: fragmentation and lack of updates. If I have to choose an Android, I would only choose a phone with guaranteed quick updates.

Gigaset are using a Chinese manufacturer to make these phones, stick their brand on it, and hope to make a few more millions. A company like that is not going to be interested in working with a boutique OS company like Jolla.

bilgy_no1 ( 2016-02-13 09:58:55 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-02-13 00:49:47 +0300

bilgy_no1 gravatar image

Sorry to burst your bubble... But this will not happen. Here's why:

Nokia has no more mobile division left; they sold it to Microsoft. Consequently, they have no people working on mobile design or R&D. No sales channels. No support network. All they have left is some brand value, and I believe some software like the Z launcher for Android. They even sold Here locationservices, which was a USP of Lumia devices for a while.

Nokia have already made clear what their strategy in mobile will be: license the use of the Nokia brand for devices that will be designed, built, sold and supported by companies like Foxconn. Nokia will be involved in the design phase, but only to make sure that quality products are delivered (prevent brand erosion).

Nokia are doing this to generate licensing income. For that model to work, it needs big volumes: Tens of millions of devices per year/quarter. It needs a partner who wants to build its own high margin smartphone line instead of building phones for others. Such a partner will not want to take on the risk of a commercially unproven OS.

I too like the idea of a European phone option, with a European OS and especially a privacy centered experience. But I really see no chance that Nokia will come up with a Sailfish device, until SFOS has a viable market share and ecosystem.

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Every big competitor started as small and bidding..

palikao ( 2016-02-19 10:23:07 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-01-29 09:40:51 +0300

jdrescher2006 gravatar image

I think Nokia is aware of their strong brand name and they will return to smartphone business. I really hope that they also do a Sailfish device.

Check this out: http://company.nokia.com/en/news/statements/other-statements

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nokia is nokia...would be nice to see a come back with sailfish os as for me they would be surely stand out from the crowd...

247 ( 2016-01-29 09:44:05 +0300 )edit

I would be really surprised if Nokia came back with Sailfish device any time soon - not to mention I would buy it instantly :D - because they have to aim high and shoot high, too. Sailfish is a niche market ATM and Nokia will not try out stormy waters again after WP fiasco. They have to save the brand name thus they have to go with mainstream OS - meaning Google(!) Android first -, that is where customers and money are...

What I can imagine is they require their partner to deliver devices with open bootloader thus any other OS can be flashed later. It highly depends on who will licence the name - devices can be made for masses (probably) or top-high-end only (quite risky).

Not even factory made dualboot is probable, I guess - due to extra licencing cost. Of course if Jolla offers Sailfish for free - for gaining presence and market share - that could make factory made dual boot mor eprobable. But in this case Jolla has to pay Alien Dalvik and other licence fees..

zlutor ( 2016-02-13 11:56:56 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-02-11 10:21:03 +0300

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Nokia developed N900, an innovative Linux-based phone (perhaps the first smartphone). then killed it. they bought QT and promised to make it there leading mobile UI framework, then dropped it. they developed N9, another (good) Linux-based phone, instead of mass-manufacture and sell it, they dropped it and moved to Windows.

Nokia may have lot of experience and resources in designing a good HW phone, but it looks like they don't have what it takes to hold-on a (Linux) software innovation phone, which is the main added value of Jolla.

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Nope. Nokia SOLD all of their phone-making resources to MS.

tortoisedoc ( 2016-02-11 13:46:26 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-02-27 18:59:43 +0300

Anna gravatar image

If Nokia really wanted to re-enter the smartphone business, they would probably inherit Jolla and try to get some of the best former employees back into the company. But it doesn't look like something like this will happen in the years to come. Who knows what Nokia Technologies is doing behind the scenes, but I don't think they waste their time on mobile phones which gives them little options to differentiate or even stand out from market leading companies like Huawei, Samsung or Apple. The best thing that can happen to the Nokia brand regarding mobile phones is if a very passionate Chinese manufacturer sees a potential of building top notch phones and print the Nokia brand on it. Anything else is gambling with fire which will only cause further damage to the Nokia brand. The vast majority of people believe that Nokia went bankrupt. If anything goes wrong again, it will only add more damage to the good reputation of the brand.

I hope Jolla finds ways to get a major manufacturer to license their OS. Huawei would help SailfishOS a lot. I'm not sure how good the crew is at selling. We will see. India is a market where they can gain some traction thanks to the Nokia history. But only if the devices are competitive and affordable. Intex will play the main role there. Let's wish Jolla and Intex success with this "experiment".

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answered 2016-01-29 11:40:50 +0300

cemoi71 gravatar image

I think better is a kind of partnership between both.

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answered 2016-02-13 08:05:52 +0300

djhowls gravatar image

The Nokia C1 is allegedly ready to go 2016 hopefully it will be a dual boot phone as per the rumours. google it.

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At first sight, C1 appears to be just an other Android thing. Absolutely no innovation regarding the form factor.

objectifnul ( 2016-02-13 10:22:06 +0300 )edit

Coming MWC would be quite good place to announce Nokia's plans - if there is anything concrete. On the other hand it would be the second coincidence when they would steal the show from Jolla: announcing Nokia N1@Slush2015 just before Jolla announced their tablet, too...

See here

zlutor ( 2016-02-13 12:03:47 +0300 )edit

Honestly, both Jolla and N1 tablets are non-events.

objectifnul ( 2016-02-13 15:17:08 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-03-02 10:13:04 +0300

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If Nokia go back into Mobile business, they will ONLY design the HW to run Android with the Z-Luncher. Why should they get any risk, they will take a existing working horse!

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Making just an other Droid thing would not bring them back into the business. They need to be unlike. Would you buy a Huawei-like phone just because it's Nokia branded?

objectifnul ( 2016-03-02 10:25:47 +0300 )edit

Why should they set to an other plattform? See here, it´s easy to implement and also accepted by the enduser ----> Nokia N1

evo3de ( 2016-03-03 14:53:56 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-09-26 18:07:03 +0300

Satvik Chaudhary gravatar image


It's branded Nokia but afaik it's only Microsoft who are behind this so no Nokia aren't entering the Devices sector anytime soon :( Beloved Nokia

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On the quick I can't find relevant links, but as far as I remeber the Microsoft - Nokia deal forbids Nokia to use the brand name "Nokia" for smartphones until the end of 2015. I don't know what the strategical Intention was but the prohibition to use the brand name for feature phones lasts much longer. To complicate the issue some more: Microsoft sold the feature phone division to Foxconn earlier this year. So I am not sure whether the phone in your link is a Microsft Nokia (as the article suggests) or a Foxconn Nokia phone. But I believe that the Nokia smartphone plans are not affected.

LameDuck ( 2016-09-26 18:32:24 +0300 )edit

It has a video on the official Microsoft Lumia youtube channel.

Satvik Chaudhary ( 2016-09-26 21:44:33 +0300 )edit
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