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I'm an investor... and still an investor [not relevant]

asked 2016-01-29 15:43:27 +0300

cemoi71 gravatar image

updated 2016-01-29 17:11:29 +0300

Dear all and jolla,

for the tablet issue, i joined for it with the idea as an investor.
Knowing the risk but dream on contributing on a other and unlike (eco)system.
The business has worked so crooked, that the tablet won't go out successfully.
Is it a complete disaster?
I think not. The os improved itself and go forward in better and more concrete form.
I'm an investor and still want to be one, not a simple buyer (so it is meant by crowdfounding platform).
I invest, i win or i loose.
Here in our case . That is not that i won't enjoy to the product.
I'll glad really to have the tablet. But if not i don't see why i'll get a refund.

I explain it, as investor i want that the ecosystem evolved and get improve. Should not disappear or get destroyed. there is now 2 cases for this issue:
1) i get it, and i help jolla on developing and improve on it.
2) i don't get it, and the money (already used) make its office. Have a refund make the project live more insecure. Is like if we put all the effort back. I hate going backward

For all other people, i know that are just words, i won't risk my life with it, that's clear.
But i want that my engagement as investor with its risk is hold.

i'll be glad if others join it.
But not angry (and won't criticise) if someone won't do it (as long as every one have good feeling with what he do, that's fine).

So definitively, Get a tablet or no refund for me (i speak just for me).

Thx for comprehension. And have a good sails all.

PS: Some would have the idea that i'll the tablet to other... For those with this idea, How would you live with it?

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I'm on your side. I also see it as an investment, not as a purchase, and as such I wouldn't be angry if I don't get a refund. The only thing I would like as an investor is for Jolla to improve communication with us and listen to the community. Jolla didn't grow only because of Sailfish, but also because of the people powered mantra that it first had. I hope they find their way back to the roots.

shfit ( 2016-01-29 17:33:30 +0300 )edit

@shfit yes you may be right for the communication. It was enough for me. But i understand that some people need more. They communicate yesterday that they will improve it. wait and see...

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 17:41:34 +0300 )edit

Investors invest to make some gain and get some more money out of their investment. This isn't quite the case here. You were spending money on a product with the goal to get one at a later time. However, if you got or will get a tablet, there's no gain for your investment. All you get is what you paid for. A normal purchase. An investor is investing with the prospective to make a gain in cash. Anything else would be a donor or patron without any expectations. As a crowdfunder, you are a customer paying money for something that does not exist yet. Yes, that's the risk you take as a crowdfunder. Some campaigners might run away with your money, jolla decided to refund. So, in case you decide to donate your money to jolla, you will be a donor and not an investor since you do not have the option to make a gain from your donation. You have no rights for anything. The company, jolla, is free to do with the money whatever they want. You can have no claims at all. I'm still considering what I will do with my contribution once I will get the email. To donate or not is a decision I will make on the day when a mail from jolla about this question hits my inbox.

Anna ( 2016-01-29 17:49:10 +0300 )edit

@Anna technically you're right, but I still see it as an investment, because I didn't contribute because I needed a tablet, but because I wanted to support Jolla and the further development of Sailfish. You are right, I don't get a monetary gain in return, but I do get more support for my phone and its OS. That was the investment I made.

shfit ( 2016-01-29 18:00:33 +0300 )edit

@Anna could you represent yourself as gain, something different than the money?
Functionality, assistance for daily/weekly tasks or functions, alternative to other who more really don't care about your own person? (speak about some serious issues by the android ios etc...).
I disagree with you that cash is the only gain. Gain is it could simplify your life, time or money.
I made some arguments (citation from above): "..dream on contributing on a other and unlike (eco)system", "... i want that the ecosystem evolved and get improve. Should not disappear or get destroyed.".
But i remark after your comment that is what not clear enough about my gain for example.
I'll add these as soon as i can.
Thanks anyway ;-)

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 18:08:25 +0300 )edit

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answered 2016-01-29 22:31:24 +0300

Nokia7710 gravatar image

@ Cémoi, Thanks for your Post ! Nearly all what I read these days was looking like Maggy Thatcher claiming to "get my money back" ! Few backers considered the Tablet also as a way to support a start up.

Most of them forgot, they crowfounded a tablet under SFOS 2.0 !

If they accept the refund, shouldn't they refuse to upgrade to SFOS 2.0 , as their money was also the way to get an important upgrade in the O.S. ?

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definitively i find it wrong to take a crowd-founding platform for a buying purpose.
But they are mature enough to do what they want to do. but they should not be surprised, if their wishes are not fulfilled.

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-30 01:49:29 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-01-30 00:29:19 +0300

Marius gravatar image

Yes, I would also prefer a tablet. Or... an officially supported Sailfish version on some other tablet which I could just buy! Damn it, such a nice system with no hardware to run on! Virtual machine is NOT enough ;-)

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answered 2016-01-31 15:37:36 +0300

toba gravatar image

srsly, i waited that long, i'll wait some longer, but i want that tablet. no refund no chichi... totally agree your post, but i start to be pissed too... worst communication ever... an uncertain refund sometime in 2016 is not a nice surprise...

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answered 2016-01-31 17:37:01 +0300

tortoisedoc gravatar image

They still did not explain what the whole SFOS Tablet being sold in India is.

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I guess they will once a tablet is actually sold in India LOL

ossi1967 ( 2016-01-31 19:07:56 +0300 )edit

The last famous words..

tortoisedoc ( 2016-01-31 22:15:05 +0300 )edit

@tortoisedoc do they know it? if it is right even if it is for sure, i'm sure that the chinese would tell that's not. Then in any case in would go one voice against one voice, and the scandal will be high. No one would need it. i think is for my part that tablet it is. And the producer planed it not just for jolla, but for android to. Because just for jolla they won't earn enough money, and with android, that will be enough from this side. Just my point of view. don't know if it's real.

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-01 10:08:54 +0300 )edit

@cemoi71: It isn't. An India site that publishes phone/tablet specs and prices listed the Jolla tablet. Among the specs, they gave an estimated retail price and a date of availability. Some of the evil minded trolls over at then claimed the site was an online shop actually selling the tablet. Jolla have already reacted and stated clearly that their tablet is not available in India and they have no connection to this website whatsoever. But you know how some people want to believe in rumors rather than facts...

ossi1967 ( 2016-02-01 11:18:30 +0300 )edit

@ossi1967 thx a lot for giving you r point of you, i'm aware that some troll-feedings appears in different source, and human like commonly to go evil or spread stupid things. I try my best to read between the line and make my own opinion. That's indeed not to easy, and point of view from others like you are good. :-)
What i could represent my self too, jolla should protect its products, investors and intellectual propriety avoiding feeding trolls by themselves. The political stand now side customers and community is really sensible and uncomfortable.

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-01 12:28:23 +0300 )edit

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