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Nokia looking for a suitable partner for a possible come-back [not relevant]

asked 2016-02-22 13:29:16 +0300

cemoi71 gravatar image

updated 2016-02-22 16:37:52 +0300
as neighbours jolla and nokia could make something interesting... not?
I know that's not obvious to be aware on the potential of it own and nearer environment....
how long will it happened that jolla and nokia ignore the other (or each other)?

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I'm afraid only French readers will understand this Frenglish ;-)

objectifnul ( 2016-02-22 14:16:36 +0300 )edit

... also german understand this "frenglish" very well :-)

peter-berlin ( 2016-02-22 14:35:45 +0300 )edit

@objectifnul please don't stay constructive and explain what you don't understand, only in this way could it be improved

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-22 15:00:23 +0300 )edit

Well I'm not a native English speaker. I would suggest something like "Nokia looking for a suitable partner for a prospective come-back" PS: please don't take it as personal offence. Your post is interesting. I just want to improve its intelligibility for everyone, although my English is far from perfect.

objectifnul ( 2016-02-22 15:12:00 +0300 )edit

@objectifnul that's all right (i don't take it personal) you gave me at the end the needed feedback ;-)
I'll work on it. i agree that it could be improved.

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-22 16:33:27 +0300 )edit

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answered 2016-02-22 19:33:12 +0300

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We discussed this many times over. This will not happen.

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out of topic please! do i spoke about a joint venture? no i don't.
cooperation. best example wiko. they make design of the phone and give it to the phone furnisher (chinese firm.. don't which one, but is not important). And put theri branded name upon it, and put a the android os with their modification.
none of the actors (google, wiko or chineses furnisher) are in joint venture.

Why not for jolla too? Nokia make a branded phone or tablet produced by a chinese or Taiwanese one, then put the sailfish os on it. How could it not happen? oh.. sorry, is that why they are like sister and brother and can't stand knowing the other one?

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-22 23:00:28 +0300 )edit

Nokia are looking for more than just a factory. They are looking for a partner who will produce, distribute and support phones with the Nokia brand. Nokia has no assets or personnel left in Telephony/Devices to do more than just license its brand name. All the international offices with people working on design, software and marketing were sold to Microsoft.

The licensee will need to sell many units (and Nokia wants them to sell many units so they get more license fees), so they will not take any risk with a commercially unproven OS (hardly any apps in the ecosystem) developed by a startup in financial distress.

Nokia and Jolla are not like brother and sister in the positive sense. Nokia killed off all development of Maemo/Meego, and fired the team working on those projects. Some of those went on to form Jolla. They're from the same family, but don't count on anyspecial treatment for Jolla.

bilgy_no1 ( 2016-02-24 01:11:07 +0300 )edit

@bilgy_no1 i know the story, but the human look back often to see what his failures and what he made good. All the people who fired the meamo people are gone from jolla too. Maybe the other have no interest. Maybe could be a potential. The commercial unproven argument part is irrelevant. All the system are at their beginning commercial unproven. important is, if it has potential to participate to the growth of the firm. Nokia don't make hardware anymore, and don't make os anymore. So they have designer, phone know how, and patents. and search for partner which could use it. Then tell me why jolla could not be to the party for the software part?. Don't forget, that it is not your business or mine. but then from jolla nokia and etc.
from my side i ask just question. no more
from your side, seems that you want to decide or block any suggestion.
why don't you let people express themselves and have free discussions? avoid Telling what they don't understand.? avoid bring some suggestions?

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-24 11:39:56 +0300 )edit

they decide at the end, not me and not you! then let us speak about these themes freely

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-24 11:40:38 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-02-22 15:16:22 +0300

tortoisedoc gravatar image

Im afraid this would require jolla to start producing HW again. And well, we know how good this went last time around.

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In any case, producing future Jolla-branded or Nokia-branded devices would be sub-contracted to Asian factories. It's basically a matter of specifications and terms of reference.

The real challenge is how to co-design a disruptive, consistent and complete HW + SW system. By the way, I don't think Nokia would be interested in a niche market (like Jolla/SailfishOS products still are until further notice).

objectifnul ( 2016-02-22 15:29:00 +0300 )edit

@tortoisedoc i'm not agree with you. Nokia don't make the os too, they define the product with the os. The nokia tablet is a branded hardware, and has the android os.Noting directly from Nokia selfmade.

Here that could be the same, Nokia make a branded phone (maybe tablet too). Just designed from nokia but build i china like the apple one,and with the os of other one.
Look at wiko (french firm) they make the phone design, let it produced the hardware from a chinese firm. put their logo on it, and install the android os with further special wiko service or tools.

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-22 16:46:21 +0300 )edit

@tortoisedoc by the way that is an other theme what out pointed out. remember that jolla wanted to create a sister firm for the hardware.
Questions: where is jolla on this process? sister firm for hardware products was successfully created?. By myself i don't really know, and i can't find on the internet news which confirm that is done or that's failed

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-22 16:49:16 +0300 )edit

@objectifnul : I disagree. What was different from the last time Jolla made HW to the scenario you are describing? Chinese makers? Check. Specifications? Check. Terms of reference? This could maybe be better as Nokia would demand higher quality. All in all, another disaster.

tortoisedoc ( 2016-03-01 15:34:17 +0300 )edit

hm... theme of higher quality... hardware quality, or quality if whole product covered on well strong processes in QM (quality-management)...
Good hw quality with bad qm process is even worse, than lower hw quality and good qm process.
Don't know how good are nokia and jolla in QM processes. (think that jolla have more experience now). But for hw one. both have a good feeling of HW quality i think...

cemoi71 ( 2016-03-01 16:05:02 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-02-23 13:00:23 +0300

launchpad gravatar image

updated 2016-02-24 10:10:45 +0300

I'd prefer real, in-house QC-controlled HW competence - if European s.o. like bq or Gigaset for example.

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Like PuzzlePhone and FairPohone, maybe?

DieUnwucht ( 2016-02-23 22:27:39 +0300 )edit

or bq maybe?

cemoi71 ( 2016-02-23 23:39:50 +0300 )edit

@DieUnwucht : PuzzlePhone still has to proove, that they can deliver HW at all .... a similar situation as with jolla and their tablet by last April. Fairphone could be a bit "too fair" considering value for money and proliferation of higher quantities ....

launchpad ( 2016-02-24 10:08:07 +0300 )edit

@cemoi71 .... yes, or s.o. like bq indeed ! ;)

launchpad ( 2016-02-24 10:09:19 +0300 )edit

@launchpad There is no reason to believe PuzzlePhone couldn't/wouldn't deliver. They are not overdue or anything like that. They have made a deal with the city of Oulu to deliver a higher number of devices to them and i would imagine that such a big customer will have done some risk assessment.

Not sure what you mean with your Fairphone comment. They have sold a six digit number of fp1 devices and fp2 appears to attact much more attention and interest due to a significantly improved value for money ratio.

DieUnwucht ( 2016-02-24 11:13:53 +0300 )edit

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