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asked 2016-03-15 17:48:50 +0200

Garbaz gravatar image

As I stated in the Title, I'd like to know whether there is a way to program applications for Sailfish OS without having to cope with QML and if possible whether there is any documentation on that.

Thanks in advance to anybody who got information on that topic.

BTW:

Before someone tries to convince me to "just use QML":

I won't.

Why? Because, to me, most highlevel languages are very unintuitive, no matter how well they are designed and I refuse to learn some new language or version of a language for every damn Platform/Purpose/... . Plus it always feels like such a waste of performance (even if it doesn't really matter in most cases).

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Well. What would you like to use instead? This is a very open ended question really.

r0kk3rz ( 2016-03-15 17:51:37 +0200 )edit
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C++. I thought that would be obvious, since its what QT is working with. And since Sailfish OS is built around QT, there doesn't seem to be much choice.

Garbaz ( 2016-03-15 18:16:54 +0200 )edit
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There isn't any choice really. So you want to create a QtQuick UI using C++? or do you want to use QtWidgets?

Technically you can create a QtQuick app using nothing but C++, since that is what the declarative engine does behind the scenes anyway, but good luck finding good resources on how to do that.

Whether you like it or not, QML is the prescribed method of creating touch friendly QtQuick apps, and if you don't like it then I suggest you talk to the Qt Project about it.

r0kk3rz ( 2016-03-15 18:26:30 +0200 )edit
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The QML part is (theoretically at least) only a description of the view. The core of the app is (almost always) in C++. If you don't want your view to be described in QML, don't, but then you'll not have all the visual integration that a QML view would have.

Tofe ( 2016-03-15 18:28:20 +0200 )edit
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Also, QML isn't really much of a language as such, the syntax is fairly light on and for everything more complicated it uses Javascript anyway. Its mostly learning the framework rather than the language, which you might have to learn anyway depending on your Qt experience

r0kk3rz ( 2016-03-15 18:30:37 +0200 )edit

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answered 2016-03-15 18:47:25 +0200

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Just dont buy a phone based on QML stack you dont want/refuse to learn. Live easy.

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Android's XML/Java based apps are even worse. And sadly there aren't many choices regarding mobile operating systems.

Garbaz ( 2016-03-15 21:28:50 +0200 )edit
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So, @coderus, is the answer yes or no?

pichlo ( 2016-03-15 21:49:16 +0200 )edit
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answered 2016-03-15 19:54:59 +0200

updated 2016-03-15 19:58:33 +0200

Well, since you can read the QML files of most of the Silica QML elements, you could technically recreate them with plain C++. That will be a lot of work (we are talking about hundreads of hours) and may have a lot of licence issues, but sure, that's doable. (Almost) anything is doable with enough time and C++ code.

Edit: here's a GitHub repo with most the Silica QML files:
https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5

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Nobody wants to rewrite the OS. The OP's question was quite clear, is it possible to use the OS without QML? I would like to know that too.

pichlo ( 2016-03-15 21:51:14 +0200 )edit
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@pichlo, yes you can.

michfu ( 2016-03-15 22:20:25 +0200 )edit
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@pichlo Isn't it quite clear? Yes, you can "use the OS without QML", but you need to rewrite all of the UI elements (just UI, not the whole OS), because they are all made with QML. That's the only way.

jollailija ( 2016-03-16 07:48:03 +0200 )edit

I guess QuasarMX is coded in plain Qt using just C++.

velemas ( 2016-03-16 12:39:32 +0200 )edit

@velemas I don't know about that, but at least it is not using the Sailfish Silica compotents.

jollailija ( 2016-03-16 15:13:13 +0200 )edit
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answered 2016-03-16 14:00:49 +0200

MartinK gravatar image

One option could be SDL. The only problem is that SDL is broken and Jolla totally ignores all requests to fix it...

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I'm curious, is SDL still broken or has it been resolved with 2.0?

ArmsOfSorrow ( 2016-03-27 19:31:54 +0200 )edit
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answered 2016-03-18 07:20:45 +0200

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updated 2016-03-18 07:20:45 +0200

Duplicate: https://together.jolla.com/question/78324/questionpure-c-sailfish-documentation/

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