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two fingers swipe for pulley [duplicate]

asked 2014-01-11 14:09:50 +0200

Fellfrosch gravatar image

updated 2019-12-08 13:52:33 +0200

Mohjive gravatar image

Why not using a two finger swipe (like on a laptop's touchpad) for the pulley menu. That would solve the problem, that you have always scroll to the top before you can enter the pulley menu. The only downside would be, that you can't enter pulley with just one hand. But I don't have small Hands and although find that the device is to big for one hand use.

Edit: duplicate of https://together.jolla.com/question/9123/alternate-ways-to-activate-pulley-menus/

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I'm not particularly a big fan of breaking the limited support that we have of using the phone one handed...

gabriel ( 2014-01-11 15:38:56 +0200 )edit

I really dont get why some people suggest more complicated gestures/swipes etc for end users.

mike7b4 ( 2014-01-11 16:59:05 +0200 )edit

While I wouldn't mind taking advantage of the 5-point touchscreen, I don't want to replace current pulley menu with two-finger gesture.

Milo ( 2014-01-11 18:07:38 +0200 )edit

There is no need to replace the current gesture. Why not add just this as an extra possibility, so that you can enter the pully menu from everywhere without the need to scroll to the top at first.

Fellfrosch ( 2014-01-11 18:20:14 +0200 )edit

That would be redundant.

Milo ( 2014-01-11 19:03:41 +0200 )edit

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answered 2015-01-21 23:51:52 +0200

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updated 2015-01-22 16:50:00 +0200

What a fantastic idea! I just finished typing a long post suggesting exactly the sane thing, only to find that someone else had the same idea before me.

To all the nay-sayers, my suggestion would be to keep the current pulley system as it is but add ANOTHER gesture with two fingers that would always pull the screen, regarding of the content. That would solve the problem with having to scroll to the top while keeping the "oh that"s so difficult" people happy.


Another option would be to provide a fixed "anchor" to pull the screen against to access the pulley menu without scrolling the content. I believe two fingers would be simpler and less intrusive, not to mention global (i.e. built in the OS rather than in each application). Thus I support this idea but I am happy to accept anything as long as it works.

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This would be specially useful for applications like Map and Gallery, where scroll has another meaning.

jpek-m ( 2015-01-22 14:42:49 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-12-07 22:35:50 +0200

updated 2019-12-07 22:37:31 +0200

The 'problem' with differentiating 2-finger swipe from zooming can be done as on desktops, not? There I scroll with two fingers simultaneously in up or down direction and zooming with moving them in different direction. Sounds that hard to do? (proven to be working)

Of course the pulley indicator only shown as now (only at top or bottom).

Else I may suggest a special three-finger swipe for getting pulley menu from every location?

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answered 2015-01-22 00:51:27 +0200

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I do not think it would work. Remember the pulley indicator in your scenario. If accessible from every position the indicator has to be visible from every position too.

In my oppinion it would over all clutter the user interface. Think of having two indicators, bottom and top, always visible. Ugly and barely complex for new users.

Jolla has so much more potential and should focus other tasks.

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Excuse me, but can you please explain what you are talking about? What pulley indicator?

All we are saying is, keep the current system as it is, with all the unfortunate artifacts such as having to scroll all the way up in File Browser or TinyEdit and lose your current position just to access the pulley menu. That would remain unchanged. In addition, you could just use two fingers to pull the whole screen down regardless of the content and access the menu right away.

pichlo ( 2015-01-22 15:33:04 +0200 )edit

Pulley indicators are those glowing lines on top or bottom of the screen which indicate that there is a pulley menu accessible.

You try to create complexity where there is no need to. I surely now that it is intended to be an option but think of all consequences it would bring, development for example. In my oppinion apps should try to get the most out of the interface as it is. There are much more options I think.

I like to mention that i am talking about the phone, not the tablet. When I get my fingers on it the situation might change. Maybe the big change is already comming, but I hope things keep clean.

maxik ( 2015-01-22 16:23:28 +0200 )edit

I beg to differ. I am suggesting to simplify the interface. It is too cumbersome now in certain cases.

What complexity? OMG, we have 98 swipe gestures now, adding one more would add so much complexity. Aaargh! We can't possibly handle that! :)

Too complex for you? Don't use it then! No one is forcing you to use two fingers. Keep scrolling all the way to the top with one finger if that is simpler for you.

And yes, I am also talking about the phone. I do not need a tablet.

pichlo ( 2015-01-22 16:38:57 +0200 )edit

I think this could be solved on this way: The pulley menu indicator will remain to be only visible at the top (& bottom) but if you put two fingers on the screen the app will get blurred (like there is an other active layer/menu-item over the app) and a pulley menu indicator will be shown on the top. By swiping your finger this pulley menu will be 'opened' BUT the app's content doesn't move with the pulley menu (because the pulley menu lays other the app and move over the app's content - exactly like it is made in the 'Situations' app). But anyway imo the problem would be to differentiate between the pinch-to-zomm- gesture and the two-finger-pulley-gesture.

Alex ( 2015-01-23 13:02:12 +0200 )edit

That sounds like a goog Idea i think.

Fellfrosch ( 2015-01-23 18:40:46 +0200 )edit

answered 2015-01-24 08:53:32 +0200

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Like I told in the past pulley menu should be remain visible at the top also if I scrolling down. Maybe a solution for all should be the possibility to scrolling down only at the screen edge and pulley menu only at the center of the screen. I think that could be work easly and nicly without changing any gestures and maintaining Sailfish unlike

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"Without changing any gestures"? You don't get it, do you? Please re-read the posts.

pichlo ( 2015-01-24 09:31:10 +0200 )edit

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