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asked 2016-08-17 13:42:05 +0300

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updated 2016-08-17 18:52:30 +0300

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I live in Poland. Here, 99% of smartphone users communicate via WhatsUp or Facebook Chat... (no Google, no Viber, Skype, etc..). Both of these methods of communication do not work natively/correctly in Sailfish OS. I don't know how it's in other countries, but may be worth do some for regular users (if the Sailfish OS does not want to remain a niche system for Linux-timers and devs)? I do not like Facebook, but can we turn back the rain?...

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it's not true :) that whatsapp is the most popular communication channel here in Poland. I have more contacts on viber than on whatsapp. Skype is extremally popular.

tuniek ( 2016-08-17 18:13:33 +0300 )edit

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answered 2016-08-17 14:01:27 +0300

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updated 2016-08-17 14:03:59 +0300

It is FB what does not support the OS and even used to ban users from their services who used community-made software instead.

Given these facts, I do not see any point in using these services. There is no other option left, but explaining this to the other 99% of people and making them consider not to use such services from a provider with such policies. There would be many other reasons to not use them anyway.

(Of course it would be sweet from FB to provide these apps for our OS, but there is rather need to knock on their door instead of Jolla's.)

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"There is no other option left, but explaining this to the other 99% of people and making them Consider not to use dry services from a provider with dry policies."

Yup, Poland is a country of 40-million people... So, good luck :)))

pelligro ( 2016-08-17 14:08:32 +0300 )edit

...and maybe you're right? ... Piss all those Facebook / Whatsapp fans :)) Long live the Sailfish!

pelligro ( 2016-08-17 14:14:40 +0300 )edit

Then the only option is to use the android version of those apps. In the past there was a good native Facebook client and Whatsapp client, but both died because both companies not allow third party apps.

richdb ( 2016-08-17 14:17:29 +0300 )edit

@pelligro I'm sure you are not in contact with all 40 million. :) But still, I know how hard job it is to explain this to those who you actually are with.

@richdb FB and WA are the same company. They do not allow third party apps while being ignorant to make one. Android apps are an option, sure, that was mentioned in the question.

William ( 2016-08-17 14:24:58 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-08-17 15:01:17 +0300

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Integrating those services come at a high price: the use of these API's are bound by agreements, and as you can image, those agreements are not to your advantage. Perhaps you might accept them, but I certainly won't.

Jolla could provide it as an installable, like Exchange, so only people agreeing to those terms are affected. Still, it would require effort which in my opinion should be invested in supporting open and free alternatives.

P.s. funny thing those agreements. For example, check out the MPEG4 license in the About product screen: you may not use your own (MPEG4) videos, made with your Jolla, for commercial purposes.

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Fuzzylogic - ok, you convinced me :) We have to deal differently - without FB.

pelligro ( 2016-08-17 15:33:40 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-08-17 17:03:34 +0300

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I would just like to say some thing regarding Sailfish Os. I am a pre microsoft Nokia fan. In my opinion symbian was way ahead in terms of mobile OS. It had very important and useful features one for example is the ability to install apps in the external memory card which Android still lacks after so many years. Also hardware requirement of symbian was really meager and batterry life was much more than Android.These are really very crucial factors for a a mobile OS.But Symbian is dead now. But Sailfish being the derivative of the old Nokia legacy has the potential to become a real game changer and a true alternative of Android. But for that sailfish needs proper backing like hardware majors and some really dedicated developers. As number of handsets will increase so will be the popularity of the OS and the social network sites will be forced to release there native apps for the concerned OS. Android woukd never be which it is today had there not being support from Google. Also Samsung flourished adopting Android otherwise they used to build dumb phones with JAVA when symbian S60 was the king of mobile OS. So my point is Sailfish should include the features like USB OTG and WIFI direct which are a common standered now a days for android powered handsets. Also memory card access through android layer is very important which is currently not available. In my view if these features will be available then user will buy the handsets without compromising their usual habits of using the mobile. So I really want Sailfish to make these changes so that featurewise handsets are at par. By the time developers will bring more native apps to the Jolla store. In that way in my view Sailfish will really ROCK. And lastly I will expect Nokia to back and adopt Sailfish for their future OS as it is a true mutitasking OS and Nokia is going to start a new innings so it will be a interesting and promising start up. I welcome others view on this topic. Please......

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+1 totally agree...

peter-berlin ( 2016-08-17 17:47:10 +0300 )edit

I am sorry to disappoint you, but Nokia has nothing to do with phone manufacturing nowadays. There is no single Nokia employee working on that, and will not be in the future either.

Nice optimistic thoughts otherwise. :)

William ( 2016-08-17 17:55:29 +0300 )edit

Come on, after all these years can we please stop with the 'symbian was way ahead' notion? I have had several Symbian phones (the last being the Sony P1 running symbian 9) and really, development just seemed to come to a halt after a while, while Android rocketed. It's the classic error..when your the king, there's no reason to develop any further.

Furthermore...installing apps on a SD card is NOT what I call a useful feature. Most of the time the sd cards are to slow to quickly start or smoothly run an app. Storing data on an SD card is useful.

As long as there's no good support for Whatsapp (all contacts available, no delayed notification, no memory card acces without a plugin), Sailfish (and Ubuntu phone and BB os10 in the near future) will never be a force which can compete with the big ones. Unfortunately the influence of whatsapp is immense. By the way, the influence of manufacturers and retailers too. Walk into a phone store and they'll recommend either a samsung s7 or an iphone. Most people don't care.

And while Jolla allowed android apps to run on Sailfish devices, the need to develop native apps is gone. And so the usefullness of the 'cards' interface. The same as with BB os10.

Nokia is going to develop cheapass Android devices. Nothing more, nothing less.

Andrik ( 2016-08-17 18:14:20 +0300 )edit

I know that Nokia is not going to run a manufacturing facility any more but it's fact that they are going into a business and from that they will expect some profit too. But since their handsets will be powered by Android and that market space is too much crowded with ever diminishing margins due to cut throat competition so Nokia and it's partners must pick something that is different from the madding crowd.So Sailfish OS might be a better bet.Pre Microsoft Nokia was the market leader because they own a mutitasking OS which none other had.But before bringing the handsets they should make sure that the hansets are having the features at par with the current android handsets and the android apps run flawlessly in the handsets. By the time development of native app should be emphasised so as to reduce the memory usage and improve battery life. I think that would be a good plan. Please comment

partha9940 ( 2016-08-17 18:58:54 +0300 )edit

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