Jolla + Sony Xperia Q&A
asked 2017-02-27 17:10:55 +0200
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This is the big news. HUUUUUGE news in fact. Every Jolla user expected exactly that. Quality HW and SFOS officially supported by Jolla. But we have questions.
Post questions as separate answers and hopefully @veskuh or @james or anyone else at jolla will answer. In case this doesn't work on TJC we can take the questions to one of the community meetings.
Fire away.
Edit 2017.03.02 by c.la: I suggeted to discuss the Q&A in the upcoming Jolla community meeting, feel free to add yourself as substitute as likely I won't attend.
Edit chemist: if you start a specific Q&A you might also have it as wiki so teh actual Q&A can be added to the op. Please, do not put your questions into answers.
Answers: The answers to most of the questions can be summed in section 3. of This page
Edit 2017.06.29 by William: the blog post
Edit 2017-06-30 by Direc: The blog post now contains an FAQ section as an update.
Edit 2017-07-13 by h.berd: Look at the recent comments of the blog post about the 20MP AOSP driver blog post and maemo
Edit 2017-08-01 by ghling: The blog post was updated to announce the first images are available to the cbeta group.
Edit 2017-09-27 by ghling: According to a new blog post, the sale for Sailfish X now should start October 4th with the first relase still be available October 11th. To flash the images, you will need to use Sony's Emma Tool for Windows. See my recent answer for more details.
Edit 2017-10-04 by olf: From Jolla's shop, "As of October 4 only Jolla Tablet refund voucher customers can use the sales site. The wider sales opening will happen at the same time with the software delivery start.", which is still supposed to happen October 11.
1) The slides stated that SFOS will be supported on a range of devices. Will those devices be available from the jolla store or a user can buy (from any ventor) and then install SFOS on one.?
2) Will sony give jolla access to the SW that powers its really good cameras so SFOS can fully exploit them?
3) Can we have a compact X on the store tomorrow :P
PS. I am so excited about this :D :D
ApB ( 2017-02-27 17:16:51 +0200 )editMee too...almost nose-bleeding like hyped... posting here for later reads hope we will get here more details.
PatsJolla ( 2017-02-27 17:21:42 +0200 )edit4) will it support Android as previous "official" devices?
pemek ( 2017-02-27 17:22:23 +0200 )edit@pemek that would be a must...alien-dalvik is unfortunately too much needed on everyday basis.
PatsJolla ( 2017-02-27 17:24:37 +0200 )edit1.) Will the Dual Sim models be supported if the single sim devices are going to receive SFOS?
2.) When can we expect the first Xperias with SFOS?
Armadillo ( 2017-02-27 17:29:28 +0200 )edit1) Will the devices be pure SFOS, or will they be dual boot?
2) If pure SFOS, will there be a way to install Android instead?
nick75 ( 2017-02-27 17:32:03 +0200 )editLooking at it, Jolla and Sony will not sell the Xperia phones with SFOS, but Jolla will make an official image that Sony will allow to put on Xperia device
Mariusmssj ( 2017-02-27 17:56:53 +0200 )editRelated to @ApB's first question -
I imagine it will be an official port of SFOS onto an Xperia already running Android. If this is the case, will there be a clear, step-by-step process to help those Jolla fans who don't have great tech knowledge (i.e. someone like me)?
Is it limited to the Xperia X? Or are further models due to be supported?
To what extent are Sony involved? Are they simply allowing their hardware to be ported onto, or are they looking at becoming an official partner? In essence, in the future, could we buy a Sony device running SFOS?
Highmore ( 2017-02-27 17:58:11 +0200 )editCan I buy an Xperia X series of my choice and have eventually the capability to have full SFOS experience (exchange, alien dalvik, jolla store, etc) on it?
c.la ( 2017-02-27 17:59:06 +0200 )editWill the Xperia devices hardware support be provided by Sony, by Jolla or both?
I mean mainly in EU but would be nice to have an answer about other regions as well
c.la ( 2017-02-27 18:00:21 +0200 )edit"To what extent are Sony involved?" to me is clear from the press release that Sony is a partner and there will be Xperia X devices sold wit SFOS loaded. Maybe I'm wrong
c.la ( 2017-02-27 18:02:25 +0200 )editI think you may be right, at least that's what I've read reported on a couple of tech sites, but it'd be nice to have that confirmed.
Highmore ( 2017-02-27 18:11:18 +0200 )editPlease Jolla give us support for the X Compact with Alien-Dalvik and EAS and access to the Sony bits of the device like native camera drivers (CM always struggled in camera support on Sony devices)
elastic ( 2017-02-27 18:14:26 +0200 )edit1) Didn't get the question. Sailfish OS supports both single and dual sim
2) Jolla already gave the answer for that: by the end of Q2/2017
Sthocs ( 2017-02-27 18:21:25 +0200 )editPDF of today Jolla's press releases: https://together.jolla.com/question/157572/mwc17-xperia-x-jalasoft-and-inoi-r7/?answer=157602#post-id-157602
c.la ( 2017-02-27 18:21:56 +0200 )edit@ Sthocs: If the dual sim slot needs different drivers there is additional work to do to support those models.
Thanks for answering question 2. :-)
Armadillo ( 2017-02-27 18:27:07 +0200 )edit1: Is there on the Sony Experia Android-support within Sailfish?
RobNas ( 2017-02-27 18:29:04 +0200 )edit2: Is the hardware fully supported, as in no surprises as a camera that doesn't work?
In the EU the device manufacturer is providing hardware support. Might be necessary to flash android during HW checking as there will probably be no SFOS capable shop be at reach.
chemist ( 2017-02-27 18:32:16 +0200 )editPlain X is announced, others to follow. (I know you cannot wait for it, me neither!) Hardware differs in screen size eg display and drivers for that so basically yes but might need a hand with additional drivers.
chemist ( 2017-02-27 18:34:55 +0200 )editWill there be full support by Jolla/for SFOS for the Xperia X compact as well?
naytsyrhc ( 2017-02-27 18:35:57 +0200 )editAh, didn't see the third item of your list before posting my answer with question for Xperia X compact support. Sorry.
naytsyrhc ( 2017-02-27 18:44:22 +0200 )editVery intressting indeed. When Will this happen. Is jolla/Sony responsible or Will this be another LOLware were none takes responsibility for the customers?
Are you aiming for daily use here a playground for devs with plenty of bugs?
Is Sony really involved or do jolla only utalize the device program?
Anywayz gr8 news!
Dave999 ( 2017-02-27 18:48:59 +0200 )editHow does Jolla benefit from offering an image that can be flashed on Xperia devices ? Meaning, how does this ensure/strengthen Jolla's financial situation ?
bomo ( 2017-02-27 18:51:42 +0200 )editDoes the cooperation include Xperia tablets ?
bomo ( 2017-02-27 19:00:03 +0200 )editalright, but my point is mainly focused on: can I buy a plain X and be able in the future to install SFOS on it or that will not be possible and the only way to have the full SFOS will be to buy the X model shipped with SFOS installed?
c.la ( 2017-02-27 19:06:36 +0200 )editJust to remind you. This is your second message without "refund" word.
tvicol ( 2017-02-27 19:33:58 +0200 )editUSB Type-C and a smaller form factor makes Xperia X Compact more attractive than the Xperia X to me.
luen ( 2017-02-27 19:40:10 +0200 )editWell maybe Sony wants some backup to Android - just in case - like Tizen for Samsung or Ubuntu for BQ and Meizu - and is spending some money for that - but all wild guess of course ...
elastic ( 2017-02-27 19:50:24 +0200 )editI want to know this too ... I REALLY, really want a Sailfish OS tablet ... but looking at the specs, the Sony Xperia Z4 tablet is 64 bit. So we may need to wait till Sailfish OS is ported to 64 bit platform. The Z2 and Z3 use 32bit CPU's though ... keeping my fingers crossed!
sifartech ( 2017-02-27 19:59:13 +0200 )editWill the Sony Xperia X running SailfishOS support Alien Dalvik?
Louis ( 2017-02-27 20:05:11 +0200 )edit@chemist thanks for the info, that seems promising
nick75 ( 2017-02-27 20:12:50 +0200 )edit