Jolla + Sony Xperia Q&A

asked 2017-02-27 17:10:55 +0300

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updated 2017-10-04 19:15:58 +0300

olf
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This is the big news. HUUUUUGE news in fact. Every Jolla user expected exactly that. Quality HW and SFOS officially supported by Jolla. But we have questions.

Post questions as separate answers and hopefully @veskuh or @james or anyone else at jolla will answer. In case this doesn't work on TJC we can take the questions to one of the community meetings.

Fire away.

Edit 2017.03.02 by c.la: I suggeted to discuss the Q&A in the upcoming Jolla community meeting, feel free to add yourself as substitute as likely I won't attend.

Edit chemist: if you start a specific Q&A you might also have it as wiki so teh actual Q&A can be added to the op. Please, do not put your questions into answers.

Answers: The answers to most of the questions can be summed in section 3. of This page

Edit 2017.06.29 by William: the blog post

Edit 2017-06-30 by Direc: The blog post now contains an FAQ section as an update.

Edit 2017-07-13 by h.berd: Look at the recent comments of the blog post about the 20MP AOSP driver blog post and maemo

Edit 2017-08-01 by ghling: The blog post was updated to announce the first images are available to the cbeta group.

Edit 2017-09-27 by ghling: According to a new blog post, the sale for Sailfish X now should start October 4th with the first relase still be available October 11th. To flash the images, you will need to use Sony's Emma Tool for Windows. See my recent answer for more details.

Edit 2017-10-04 by olf: From Jolla's shop, "As of October 4 only Jolla Tablet refund voucher customers can use the sales site. The wider sales opening will happen at the same time with the software delivery start.", which is still supposed to happen October 11.

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1) The slides stated that SFOS will be supported on a range of devices. Will those devices be available from the jolla store or a user can buy (from any ventor) and then install SFOS on one.?

2) Will sony give jolla access to the SW that powers its really good cameras so SFOS can fully exploit them?

3) Can we have a compact X on the store tomorrow :P

PS. I am so excited about this :D :D

ApB ( 2017-02-27 17:16:51 +0300 )edit

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Mee too...almost nose-bleeding like hyped... posting here for later reads hope we will get here more details.

PatsJolla ( 2017-02-27 17:21:42 +0300 )edit

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4) will it support Android as previous "official" devices?

pemek ( 2017-02-27 17:22:23 +0300 )edit

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@pemek that would be a must...alien-dalvik is unfortunately too much needed on everyday basis.

PatsJolla ( 2017-02-27 17:24:37 +0300 )edit

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1.) Will the Dual Sim models be supported if the single sim devices are going to receive SFOS?

2.) When can we expect the first Xperias with SFOS?

Armadillo ( 2017-02-27 17:29:28 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-08-07 22:50:39 +0300

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updated 2017-08-07 22:50:39 +0300

Direc
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What's the Android runtime level / AlienDalvik level on Xperia X?

Is it possible to install Google Play Services on top of it (like in Jolla 1)?

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I don't see any reason why one could not install Google Play on it. It would just be stupid from Jolla to somehow prevent anyone from installing it.

Ingvix ( 2017-08-11 15:37:07 +0300 )edit

@Ingvix It's not a question of Jolla preventing anything. The Google Play framework as you can read in its name belongs to Google. Google has every reason in the world, plus the technical possibility to make it impossible for non fully Android phones to run their services.

BtPht ( 2017-09-25 13:25:16 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-08-01 09:43:50 +0300

ghling

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Another short update from the Jolla blog (https://blog.jolla.com/sony-xperia-project-update/), the first images are now available to the cbeta members:

We have been working hard to fulfill our promise of delivering the first images during July, and as the month of July comes to an end, we now have the images ready to be handed over to Cbeta group for the initial verification and testing. Having the software ready for the public depends on the findings during this round of testing done with Cbeta group. This is our first official release that we provide for a device that doesn’t come pre-loaded with Sailfish OS. We have already learned a lot in the process, so bear with us a bit longer.

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answered 2017-07-14 21:25:50 +0300

vattuvarg

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An observation

Here in Sweden the amount of retailers offering the Xperia X is definitely dwindling rapidly. Is the situation similar in other countries as well?

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I don't know where I read that Sony is about to shut down the X series. It must have been here somewhere.

deloptes ( 2017-07-14 22:22:06 +0300 )edit

Supply in Germany is still good. Production of the X is discontinued, but I believe it will need some months till the market is empty...

h.berd ( 2017-07-14 23:37:30 +0300 )edit

Portugal: found 1 shop with 1 F5121 white. Said that they could order the black one... About 350 E

A.Maretzek ( 2017-07-15 00:41:44 +0300 )edit

hmm, this let me think about to order afap, but there is still no official confirmation from jolla for f5121...

h.berd ( 2017-07-15 01:53:17 +0300 )edit

I bought the X compact. It's still available, seemingly in sufficient quantities, but the price is coming slowly down. As there are not so many small devices on the market, there is a justification for the X compact and it might survive longer. I hope its not too difficult to prepare a SFOS image for the compact once the image for the X is ready.

Stefanix ( 2017-07-15 10:32:26 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-07-05 01:21:23 +0300

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Many people seem to be disappointed with the latest news. Maybe they had big hope for the next sfos device, as I had.

In my opinion we will get a custom rom, which will break the warranty and will not use the full hw power. Especially camera limitation to 8MP bothers me, because I expected to get the full capability of the hardware and camera is a very important feature for me. Just look for some vids on youtube with this camera on stock rom. It will be a shame to own this phone without the amazing picture quality ...

So, recently I looked for some alternative mobile OS's - google free as far as possible, OSS and usable as a daily driver. IMO there is nothing available.

Maybe SFOS is not the best OS, but there are no real competitors using my criteria. And thats the reason why I look forward to have the Xperia X as fast as possible (my touch screen is dying) and hope Jolla will find a solution for the camera at least!!!

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@h.berd this also perfectly fits my sentiments as well. Although I'm stuck use Google play to support the apps I need for work. I'd love to use a spy adds company clean SFOS type OS. I'm willing to compromise to achieve at least another choice that isn't totally locked/dumbed down, telling you what to bye etc.

GD ( 2017-07-05 03:28:58 +0300 )edit

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@hberd I understand your dissatisfaction but you have to remember 8MP is high a resolution. And pictures from this 8MP could be high quality. We have to wait for some photo samples.

atlochowski ( 2017-07-05 09:36:13 +0300 )edit

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I agree that 8 MP alone should not be seen too negative. But probably other features like the "predictive autofocus" will not be available either. This seems to be an indication that Sony is not willing to share their drivers and raises the question how far the cooperation will go. Does Jolla need to reverse engineer the device to get SFOS running? What about the fingerprint sensor? Do we have to expect the Xperia to get crippled with SFOS?

Stefanix ( 2017-07-05 10:16:59 +0300 )edit

Where is it stated that the camera will be limited to 8mp when using SFOS?

Rem ( 2017-07-05 11:58:11 +0300 )edit

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In a community meeting in March. Of course it was never completely clearly stated, but that's nothing surprising from Jolla. In practice they are working with what is available in the sony open device program (AOSP camera).

William ( 2017-07-05 14:21:26 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-07-03 23:48:22 +0300

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I'm an average user with little knowledge about coding and I own Xperia X. Can I be a testing person for daily usage? I'm still using my Jolla 1 phone and it needs some replacement.

(and another interesting thing: will there be at least a community port if this device is not supported?)

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They said in the blog post (https://blog.jolla.com/sony-xperia-project-update/) the testing will be done by the C-beta group (closed community testing group of hand picked members) so I don't think you have chance to get the test images before the release version is out there for everyone.

If your Xperia X is the model F5121 single SIM version, then it should work on your phone when they release the image.

avhakola ( 2017-07-04 14:59:17 +0300 )edit

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yes but they also wrote the f5121 could not be the device they support, then it would be interesting if work could go on.

NuklearFart ( 2017-07-04 15:04:59 +0300 )edit

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It has been said explicitly and implicitly since the announcement of the project, that F5121 was the phone for which it was being developed. A lot of people -me included- bought it already as some kind of motivation for the time we still have to wait. It wouldn't be wise from Jolla to change now the target device. If they choose developing for a second one additionally (e.g. F5122, F5521...) , that's fine. However, Jolla should not betray the trust of their customers/backers/fans (once again...), since a lot of them -sadly, me included- are already looking for an alternative solution in case Jolla messes it up again.

lupastro ( 2017-07-05 09:03:06 +0300 )edit

I would have liked to be in that group, too :-/ I'll let them do the testing and development, and purchase the image (twice, in fact) when it gets released.

Direc ( 2017-07-05 15:25:20 +0300 )edit

could someone please tell what the problem is if the x port exists not to take it for the x compact becaise specwhise they are similar

NuklearFart ( 2017-07-08 12:54:58 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-07-01 01:45:56 +0300

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The thing that kind of bums me up with this whole situation (apart from compact X support which is what i wait for) is the download and install yourself. For the tech savvy user its not a big problem but it is hell for everyone else.

No idea who is responsible for this but it could have been handled better between Jolla and Sony open devices.

:/

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i totally agree. if sailfish is NOT preinstalled i dont think it will in any way increase sailfish numbers. it is not much more than the already available community ports. may work better, but the audience are only advanced users. I created the wiki page for available sailfish devices with exactly that in mind: No 1 rule for devices listed in there is preinstalled sailfish. otherwise it cant be called a sailfish device. hope theey will provide this as everything else will in my opinion in no way soread sailfish usage.

kaktux ( 2017-07-01 10:34:07 +0300 )edit

If if is something like download an util connect, the device out of the box to the pc and click it might work. But i doubt it can be done as simple as that. And you have to support three operating systems. But at the end of the day nothing beats open the box and use.

ApB ( 2017-07-04 00:07:07 +0300 )edit

perhaps some experienced user can offer the flashing in exchange for donation ... including shipment, insurance and work it might be ~30-40€ in Europe. Is this price feasible?

deloptes ( 2017-09-25 01:15:48 +0300 )edit

This is an old post, but I'm going to Comment anyway.

Honestly, compared to installing myself, I would personally pay a lot more than €40 for the piece of mind of SFOS preinstallation on a replacement for my Jolla phone. Actually, I'd also love to see the Xa2 running SailfishOS head to head with an android version in a local store, but I'm probably dreaming on that one.

So, options, (and dreams):
Self install - The SFOSX instructions for the Sony X install seem to have hurdles and risks. If the Xa2 install is similar I'd rather not, but if I have to, I suppose so.
Preinstall - Preinstall seems ideal, (that's the state I imported my Jolla phone in after all), I'll have one for my girlfriend too.
Over the counter - Seems not likely in the business plan, certainly in NZ, and even if Jolla & Sony could, most people would probably take the blue pill anyway.

For me, not choosing an option isn't an option. I need a new phone, (or battery), but to me, with any device, the OS is always worth far more than the hardware, and Sailfish is such a nice place to be.

MonkeyControl ( 2018-07-14 11:24:16 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-06-30 21:21:42 +0300

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Q: What happens to the device’s warranty when we install Sailfish OS on it?

A: Sony Open Devices has their own terms for handling unlocked devices, and since installing Sailfish OS requires unlocking of the device, those terms will apply. You can read them by clicking here.

Voiding the warranty If you unlock the boot loader, you may void the warranty of your device and/or any warranty from your operator. See your device’s warranty statement for details. Additionally, due to the modified device software, Sony’s repair network will likely have to replace key components before it can properly test, repair and verify your device using our repair tools and software. Consequently, if Sony performs a warranty repair, Sony will likely charge you a significant service fee for the additional costs caused by your modification of the software.

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Lots of ifs and mays. But what does it actually mean in this very case?

Direc ( 2017-10-12 22:31:04 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-06-29 23:36:31 +0300

NuklearFart

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updated 2017-06-30 23:50:24 +0300

It sais the single Sim variante will be supportet (and no other version yet or in the first place). on the Sony page linked in the discussion of the blog post (https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-x/specifications/) there are three different variants, single sim, nano sim and dual sim or should it be understood that there are two versions, single and dual sim and both only have nano sim support? I need to know exactly which device can be bought. Another question would be if a community port is availiable for the device, of course without android support.

Update: Ok, here we go, the following means not to buy any device soon :( (Or: Only if at least a community port exists) Q: Which exact model of Sony Xperia X should we purchase prior to the launch of the OS? A: F5121 single SIM version is the model we are developing on. It should be noted that there is a possibility of details being changed until we announce the commercial details, therefore our advice would be to wait for the announcement before buying the device, just to be completely sure.

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I think there are two versions. Single sim and dual sim, both take nano sims.

Asseon ( 2017-06-29 23:41:35 +0300 )edit

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There is F5121 version which is single SIM and F5122 which is Dual SIM. Jolla will support single SIM version.

atlochowski ( 2017-06-29 23:59:14 +0300 )edit

i really pine over for a later support of the F5122 Dual Sim... ^^

BlaeX ( 2017-06-30 09:21:44 +0300 )edit

Shall we buy it now and wait for CBeta end or wait and buy the device from Jolla Store?

magullo ( 2017-06-30 11:15:39 +0300 )edit

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@magullo as Jolla said in blog comments, SFOS will be provided as "download" only - There will be no pre-flashed X to buy from Jolla.

chemist ( 2017-06-30 11:52:18 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-06-29 09:48:45 +0300

ghling

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The MER meeting yesterday did not gave us much more news. Basically it just gave us the confirmation that there will be a new blog post this week addressing the status of SFOS on the Xpedia X device. Here are all relevant posts from the meeting:

08:29:47 Jaymzz_ #info a blog post is scheduled to be published this week addressing the situation of Xperia X. Until then I can't share more than what we already have shared till now.

08:30:38 Jaymzz_ About the X compact: First of all let us be done with the normal X, any other device could be considered afterwards. kro

08:31:28 Jaymzz_ kro: We have already said that we are not going to stop at Xperia X. But we need to get that done first before thinking about other projects. Think about the limited resources ;)

08:31:38 lupastro i am without a mobile phone now. and i am waiting the announcement to buy the X, X Compact, or wait... 08:32:05 Jaymzz_ lupastro: Your answer will be on the blg post!

08:32:58 Jaymzz_ I'm pushing to get the post out ASAP, but since it's a rather sensitive matter, it needs many extra eyes to read it and approve it first.

08:33:53 pavi[m] Jaymzz_: Isnt the phone supposed to come out by end of the week?
08:35:26 Jaymzz_ pavi[m]: A blog post can contain many things ;) I stand by my advice, please wait until the post is published!

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So either today or tomorrow.

magullo ( 2017-06-29 10:05:33 +0300 )edit

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Thanks for sharing these answers ghling even thought we don't now anything new ;-)

sepuka ( 2017-06-29 10:17:16 +0300 )edit

which blog do they talk about? is it http://blog.jolla.com ?

PatsJolla ( 2017-06-29 13:04:43 +0300 )edit

@PatsJolla yes, most likely

purplexed ( 2017-06-29 13:34:38 +0300 )edit

https://blog.jolla.com/sony-xperia-project-update/

Vinodh ( 2017-06-30 03:46:20 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-06-17 13:01:03 +0300

lupastro

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So, I know that the release of SFOS in Xperia X devices has been widely discussed and an announcement from Jolla is being expected by the end of June (13 days to go).

The point is....Yesterday, my Jolla C was incredibly thirsty and thought it would be a good idea to have a beer. Result of this: I can only run my Jolla C without battery and without SIM cards in it. My Jolla 1 does not work since a while, therefore I am detached from the mobile world.

Since I will have to buy a new mobile phone, I would like to ask -if someone from Jolla reads this between the lines- (that's the reason of putting this as an answer and not as a comment), if buying an Xperia X would be a good idea, or if maybe I should seek a cheap solution until the end of the month..............

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This is very good question specially when the X model was discontinued by Sony. Sadly I don't think we can get any answer here...

sepuka ( 2017-06-19 12:21:57 +0300 )edit

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@sepuka. X model is not discontinued. Basically Sony just does not release an X 2017 or 2018 model. Xperia Xs are still produced and you can buy them.

In general yes. I have seen several people asking the same questions even a month ago and the inofficial answer is YES buy yourself an Xperia X F5121

leszek ( 2017-06-21 11:13:22 +0300 )edit

@leszek Thanks Leszek, I missed that one. I was hoping that Jolla will sell them like JP1 and Jolla C but better this than nothing I guess.

sepuka ( 2017-06-21 14:13:39 +0300 )edit

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