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[Official Announcement] Introducing Sailfish X

asked 2017-08-25 17:14:16 +0200

James gravatar image

updated 2017-10-10 14:35:10 +0200

After months of development and hard work, we finally are ready to announce the details of our Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia X project, called Sailfish X!

As you know, this is our first port of Sailfish OS to a 64-bit ARM architecture based device which introduced its own challenges regarding compatibility and ease of progress. Our engineers did however plow through the challenges and made a daily usable device out of the Sony Xperia X powered by Sailfish OS!

Sales day is getting closer

Here is everything we have in place now regarding Sailfish X:

  • Sales start date: October 4th, 2017
  • Product - what you will get:
  • Sailfish OS image to flash to your Xperia device - our target is to have the downloadable image ready by October 11
  • Android support, predictive text input, and MS exchange support as downloads from Jolla Store to your device
  • SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow
  • Clear instructions and support for downloads & installation
  • Jolla Customer Care service
  • Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed
  • Price: 49,90€ (including VAT)

For the all the pioneers of the Sailfish Community Device Program, we also wanna offer a discount for the purchase of Sailfish X thanks to your continued support and passion. More information on that will follow soon.

For more information, please read our latest blog post.

Cheers, James Noori

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Thanks for all the work, a little longer of a wait but dates are great to have! Great work to the community, looking forward to moving over to it in the near future!

marxistvegan ( 2017-08-25 17:32:37 +0200 )edit
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This is great news. I am happy to volunteer installing SailfishX from a Windows 10 pc, and write instructions how to do it. Can I have it now already? ;)

rob_kouw ( 2017-08-25 17:33:12 +0200 )edit
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Hi,

This look good ! Are you planning to provide devices to independent reviewers, so that we can get a feeling of what we can expect from sailfishOS on this device ? Reading a claim from Jolla company that you "made a daily usable device out of the Sony Xperia X powered by Sailfish OS" is not really the same as getting a review from an independant youtuber (or other media) explaining what works, how responsive the UI is, how well android apps work, etc.

vbregier ( 2017-08-25 17:41:42 +0200 )edit
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"SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow"

Part of the appeal of jolla/sailfish community devices is that you get updates for a long time. The J1 i have still gets updates. Could you be a bit more clear regarding this?

ApB ( 2017-08-25 17:46:42 +0200 )edit
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@ApB I guess @James meant that the price only includes yearly updates and you'll have to pay for them afterward. Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

Aldrog ( 2017-08-25 18:03:57 +0200 )edit

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answered 2017-08-25 20:16:34 +0200

ghling gravatar image

updated 2017-08-25 20:17:54 +0200

Hi James, Thank you very much for the announcement. It's great having so much more details and a release this close. Could you please clarify the "SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow" thing? The way I understand it, you get 1 year of updates for your 50€ and then have to pay again for further ones (most likely some kind of subscription!?). Is this correct? Can you give us a rough estimate how much this subscription will be (like 10€ / year or another 50€ / year or ...)?

Thanks again for the clarification.

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I actually like the idea of a subscription. We need to face the facts that in the absence of a HW business Jolla is only able to make money through licensing fees. So why not go subscription-based and then have the assurance that you get updates as long as you pay for them?

sidv ( 2017-08-25 20:19:20 +0200 )edit
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Totally agree! This is how they business model works. Otherwise they got no revenues. I am totally fine with that. Better than paying with your data... :-)

Imothep ( 2017-08-25 20:47:53 +0200 )edit
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For software sales, this is a very common offer. If someone does not agree, he should switch back to microsoft. There you pay more often.

chris_bavaria ( 2017-08-25 22:30:49 +0200 )edit
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Maybe they should transform the Jolla store into an actual store and get money from sales there? IMHO that would be better than payed updates (and nobody would be forced to use outdated / insecure software when low on money).

Also how does this align with the open source strategy? Right now I fear they won't open source any more software as that would allow users to get updates for free.

V10lator ( 2017-08-26 22:18:49 +0200 )edit
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Hello, and thank you for commenting.

Well, that is one detail that is yet to be fully decided and announced. Our statement means that you will receive software updates within a year from sales start date. What happens after that is yet to be announced but don't you worry, you won't be left deserted of course. Plus, it's also worth noting that the 50 Euros that you are paying is also licensing fees for Android support, MS exchange and Predictive text input.

James ( 2017-08-29 13:28:50 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-27 11:31:29 +0200

girsh gravatar image

updated 2017-08-29 19:08:18 +0200

Great news! But whats about smaller Sony devises? X Compact for example. image description

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I really hope the next device will be the xz1 compact.

ApB ( 2017-08-27 12:29:18 +0200 )edit
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I'd be happy with older X compact. Hardware differences between X and X Compact are supposed to be minimal (creeen res and battery). I hope X Compact port would be pretty straightforward once Xperia X will be done.

Xeno_PL ( 2017-08-30 12:11:37 +0200 )edit

So no official comment means, it won't work?

item ( 2017-10-08 19:03:55 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-26 17:50:39 +0200

Tajo gravatar image

In Principle, would a Sailfish/Android dual booting be possible?

While Jolla should never officially support it - would it be possible to dual boot Android/Sailfish after juggling with the partitions a bit? I don't know the ARM/Cellphone ISA nearly well enough, but a Raspberry Pi can be dual booted.

That might be of interest for those of us who read "[I]n the beginning you do need to have a Linux PC and be somewhat familiar with command line tools to install Sailfish OS on your Xperia device." and think "sounds like fun!".

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Why not official support? It would be a great feature to be able to access Google Play apps on the same device.

pellen ( 2017-09-18 12:32:40 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-26 10:56:15 +0200

OL gravatar image

Will a Sony Xperia X running Sailfish X be able to enter Google Play Store? I am an ordinary user of smartphones. I was one of "the first one's" (still got the T-shirt) but I had to quit my Jolla 1 because of the lack of apps - or more precisely - because I couldn't enter Play Store. I am not able to "hack" my device. In my country (Denmark) there is a big number of essential app's (e.g. Health Care, School, eduacation, banking, credit-cards etc.) which are only accessible through Play-store (and I store) - This is a unfair situation for alternative OS'es. I have sent a complaint to the EU-commissiononry of Competition regarding Google misusing their de facto monopol on the app-store-market, by rejecting users of non-android devices (Sailfish, Tizen etc.) to enter the Play-store. It's like a supermarket rejecting customers because of the colour of their shoppingbags. I have also sent messages to several Danish institutions and Banks suggesting they could introduce their android apps on the app-store of Amazon or directly frem their homepages. But I haven't got any answers. So: This unfair situation on the app-market is a fact. As an ordinary user of smartphones it is essential to me to have acces to the major apps, i.e. Google Play Store. This leads to my initial question: Will a Sony Xperia X running Sailfish X be able to enter Google Play Store?

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If you need the playstore you are better of with an android phone.

ApB ( 2017-08-26 11:16:23 +0200 )edit
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Yeah if you really rely more than 80% on Android Apps, SailfishOS might not be the right choice for you.

In general official play store support needs play service support and google licenses this only to pure android and not android compatibility layers or such. If you only need the access to the playstore and not the playservices then of course the easiest solution would be using the yalp store (available via f-droid anothter android store that you can download as apk from their homepage).

leszek ( 2017-08-26 11:25:40 +0200 )edit
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@OL excellent idea reaching out to government levels. I will look into taking action in the same direction for Estonia. Hopefully it spreads.

In the meanwhile, I successfully got Google Play going on J1 back in the day, and it has stayed working ever since. My FP2 doesn't have Dalvik yet, so it hasn't been an issue there.

lkraav ( 2017-08-26 13:13:40 +0200 )edit
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There is possible to install YALP. (Open Source Implementation of the Google Playstore). In Yalp you will find all the apps, which are in the Google PlayStore, and you can download them, without having you own google account. But Apps, which are required to use Google Services will not work. I know, in Sweden / Denmark many people are forced to use Android or IOS, because Banking Apps are using Google or Apple Services and wont run withou them. Unfortunately, if you can't live without this Apps its better to have one separate device only for this apps, or use an Android / Apple Smartphone....

ExPLIT ( 2017-08-27 01:51:41 +0200 )edit

@ExPLIT: The situation is the same in Finland, too.

jovirkku ( 2017-08-28 11:02:01 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-27 09:01:48 +0200

orol gravatar image

I need dual sim device (I have two Jolla 1 yet) . Do you plan porting SFOS to dual sim Sony device too?

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just for the record: I want the dual-Sim version, too. :)

BlaeX ( 2017-08-28 09:28:15 +0200 )edit
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also for the record, dual SIM needed. Have Jolla C now. :)

tomtom ( 2017-08-29 17:35:10 +0200 )edit

Dual sim Sony Xperia is only being sold for cheaper as well

Mariusmssj ( 2017-08-29 18:09:25 +0200 )edit
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Need a Dual-SIM device, too. I strongly hope the F5122 (Xperia X Dual-SIM) will work, too, as the hardware seems to identical besides the SIM card slot. (I wouldn't mind a smaller device either. 5" is huge, too big for my trousers' pocket.)

XTaran ( 2017-09-21 04:08:54 +0200 )edit

No Dual-Sim, no money.

Armadillo ( 2017-09-26 23:17:59 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-25 22:48:39 +0200

leszek gravatar image

updated 2017-08-25 22:49:41 +0200

Shipping a beta version is a mistake! I don't want to buy a beta version without bluetooth or fingerprint support if it is not even clear if those are ever supported. (even though I don't need the fingerprint much I would guess) It feels wrong after all this time (from the first Jolla version on) to still buy a beta version. There is not even a guarantee bluetooth or fingerprint or other sensor stuff will work for the paid money in the 1 year software support.

As much as I like the idea for a paid software model even one that guarantees me 1 more year of updates for that device it is a dissappointment that we will get a beta version with not only missing full hardware support but also potential software issues like lags and hickups.

Will it be possible to buy "SailfishOS X" as final version (with full hardware support and without laggy UI) in the future or is buying "early access" beta usage the only option here?

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I think it will be manaed. As I bought Jolla 1 Phone back in 2013 SailfishOS was also beta. So i see no big problem.

ExPLIT ( 2017-08-25 23:05:58 +0200 )edit
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We now have 2017 - 5 years later - Jolla needs to ship products now and not behave like a startup that just started off with making business.

In all honesty this smells like another PR Desaster for Jolla. The announcement is again not clear about the BT support, Fingerprint and other sensors. As I know Jolla I expect them to add BT, Fingerprint and other sensors support maybe even this year or starting next year with an update. Though one little sentence like "We will work on providing Bluetooth, Fingerprint and missing sensor support within the 1 year support." would be better than what they announced now. But thats just meddling in details here.
I am just surprised that no one at Jolla noticed that this might be an issue to many potential customers. And again shipping a beta version is fine for Jolla as a startup in 2013. But now in 2017 from a sole marketing perspective I don't think it is a good idea to announce the shipment of a beta version. And me personally I am also not very happy to pay for a beta version again. (as I said already) The "daily usable device" for example is not written at all in the announcement on the blog post like it is here.

leszek ( 2017-08-25 23:20:56 +0200 )edit
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Post your questions in the next Community meeting. Its probably what is needed to clarify all the issues that came with the announcement.

ApB ( 2017-08-25 23:28:22 +0200 )edit
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Not sure if you caught this but they're opening up the build directions so the Community can build their own images next week. This means the community will be able to chew on this for nearly two months before the initial date of release. Bluetooth is likely to be solved long before then.

one_with_linux ( 2017-08-26 16:06:42 +0200 )edit
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@one_with_linux I did not caught this :P From where do you have that information? And mostly why is this not written in the blog post (as it is a potentially very important information)

leszek ( 2017-08-26 16:09:49 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-09-12 23:58:38 +0200

oenone gravatar image

updated 2017-10-14 04:30:52 +0200

Nothing has been said about Maps it seems. Will Maps be included in the licensing (and if so, will it be just maps, or with turn-by-turn, and/or with offline maps), or will that be the prerogative of Android applications or open-source alternatives like Poor Maps?

EDIT: Maps is not included in the offering. Such a pity.

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I hope we will get a fast and reliable gps tracking too. On aquafish its a mess but this should be related to the missing compass. When I need here maps fast and doesn't get the gps fix its something I really miss in comparison to my old nokia N8.

h.berd ( 2017-09-13 18:02:02 +0200 )edit
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Navigaion... Right now the suggested app is Here WeGo (an android app). I guess the same will apply to Sailfish OS for the Xperia X. ...but navigation is core functionality (imho) and should thus be native to the operating system.

vattuvarg ( 2017-09-13 21:17:58 +0200 )edit

The missing core functionality should be remedied ASAP. ...with native software.

vattuvarg ( 2017-10-14 13:31:02 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-25 21:31:50 +0200

xneo gravatar image

This is really good news... As mentioned before there are some users that might not be familiar in using Linux. To those users I would offer my help to flash their devices as I am a Linux user. I do live next to Frankfurt in Germany. If I could help just let me know.

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I am also a Linux User. Maybe it is a great idea to show non-Linux-user via video how to do that?! I think it is easy to set up a virtual machine (virtualbox) with any easy to install Linux a la ubuntu & co. Afterwards the instructions from Jolla should help to get the install successfully done.

Imothep ( 2017-08-25 22:37:33 +0200 )edit

Maybe I'll need your help, Im livin close to Koblenz. We'll see that in a few months :)

NuklearFart ( 2017-08-25 23:11:27 +0200 )edit
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I think as a normal windows user with no further IT experience maybe it could be frustrating to get used to virtualbox. I am sure hardcore users can't understand because they are far beyond... On the other hand this crazy console stuff that you for sure would not understand if you face it the first time. What if you get into errors that you don't understand... In my humble opinion pointing to virtualbox is not a good option... So maybe the community can get closer together by helping each other...

@NuklearFart: Tell me if you need help. Maybe we plan a community meeting as a "Flashing Party"

xneo ( 2017-08-26 00:05:02 +0200 )edit

what if one linux mage creates a SailfishX flashing Docker container? ;)

it just have to be started by others and voila, magic happened, flasing is done...

zlutor ( 2017-08-27 18:07:36 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-25 19:51:36 +0200

dmelamet gravatar image

Hi! I was looking forward to getting Sailfish again, but, alas, this project is limited to some countries! I live in Argentina and wonder if I am going to be able to buy the OS sometime soon...

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You're not the only one bro, I'm from Paraguay and I was waiting for the announce... Disappointed about the availability... Perhaps, I think that if you have someone in EU country he could buy for you? I will do that because I bought a Xperia X for installing Sailfish OS

meloferz ( 2017-08-25 20:05:54 +0200 )edit

I bought the X, too... But I dont have anybody in the EU. So I will probably be selling it.

dmelamet ( 2017-08-25 20:21:25 +0200 )edit
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Should not be a problem to sell something immaterial like an OS worldwide. Just saying.

dmelamet ( 2017-08-25 20:32:57 +0200 )edit
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I think the same... But well... It will be a community port soon, maybe someone else port Anbox to our Xperia X and we will have Sailfish OS and Android support for free 🤗

meloferz ( 2017-08-25 20:47:42 +0200 )edit

(As taken away)

N9Sailfish ( 2017-08-25 20:47:45 +0200 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 13:41:22 +0200

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updated 2017-08-28 13:44:06 +0200

Kiitos! Thanks! Tack! ありがとう!

I was hoping that the smaller Xperia X Compact was also supported in launch because I have smaller hands. At this point I'll have to take pretty much anything I can since my Jolla 1 is breaking down badly. Battery won't last even half of my usual work day and Sailfish 2.x has major performance and media space issues with it which a software reset doesn't really solve.

Really looking forwards to future with SFOS improvements. I'm hoping for option to open notifications from bottom with a thumb like in 1.x instead of the awkward sides swipes. I don't really need to open applications that often but I need to check the notifications quite often. Please, consider this for a future 2.x release. It feels much better.

Could you clarify if you're going to sell the SFOS on subscription basis where this 50€ spent gives you one year worth of updates and support or is it going to last longer?

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Because of that my jolla 1still has 1.x installed :) but my j1 is almost dead, it ofren reboots when i get called so i use the x with the crappy android. I think any other system is superior, the ui is total crap, menunavigation doesnt exist

NuklearFart ( 2017-08-28 15:45:54 +0200 )edit

If your battery is almost dead, check JuBaTec's replacement battery for Jolla. It works perfectly: That's what I'm currently using in mine.

Also whatch out for Android apps. Some are giant hogs (either shut alien dalvik down if you seldom use it, or disable «background notification» in as many Android apps as possible).

DrYak ( 2017-10-11 13:24:00 +0200 )edit
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