[Official Announcement] Introducing Sailfish X

I actually like the idea of a subscription. We need to face the facts that in the absence of a HW business Jolla is only able to make money through licensing fees. So why not go subscription-based and then have the assurance that you get updates as long as you pay for them?

Totally agree! This is how they business model works. Otherwise they got no revenues. I am totally fine with that. Better than paying with your data... :-)

For software sales, this is a very common offer. If someone does not agree, he should switch back to microsoft. There you pay more often.

Maybe they should transform the Jolla store into an actual store and get money from sales there? IMHO that would be better than payed updates (and nobody would be forced to use outdated / insecure software when low on money).

Also how does this align with the open source strategy? Right now I fear they won't open source any more software as that would allow users to get updates for free.

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Well, that is one detail that is yet to be fully decided and announced. Our statement means that you will receive software updates within a year from sales start date. What happens after that is yet to be announced but don't you worry, you won't be left deserted of course. Plus, it's also worth noting that the 50 Euros that you are paying is also licensing fees for Android support, MS exchange and Predictive text input.

I really hope the next device will be the xz1 compact.

I'd be happy with older X compact. Hardware differences between X and X Compact are supposed to be minimal (creeen res and battery). I hope X Compact port would be pretty straightforward once Xperia X will be done.

So no official comment means, it won't work?

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Why not official support? It would be a great feature to be able to access Google Play apps on the same device.

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If you need the playstore you are better of with an android phone.

Yeah if you really rely more than 80% on Android Apps, SailfishOS might not be the right choice for you.

In general official play store support needs play service support and google licenses this only to pure android and not android compatibility layers or such. If you only need the access to the playstore and not the playservices then of course the easiest solution would be using the yalp store (available via f-droid anothter android store that you can download as apk from their homepage).

@OL excellent idea reaching out to government levels. I will look into taking action in the same direction for Estonia. Hopefully it spreads.

In the meanwhile, I successfully got Google Play going on J1 back in the day, and it has stayed working ever since. My FP2 doesn't have Dalvik yet, so it hasn't been an issue there.

There is possible to install YALP. (Open Source Implementation of the Google Playstore). In Yalp you will find all the apps, which are in the Google PlayStore, and you can download them, without having you own google account. But Apps, which are required to use Google Services will not work. I know, in Sweden / Denmark many people are forced to use Android or IOS, because Banking Apps are using Google or Apple Services and wont run withou them. Unfortunately, if you can't live without this Apps its better to have one separate device only for this apps, or use an Android / Apple Smartphone....

@ExPLIT: The situation is the same in Finland, too.

just for the record: I want the dual-Sim version, too. :)

also for the record, dual SIM needed. Have Jolla C now. :)

Dual sim Sony Xperia is only being sold for cheaper as well

Need a Dual-SIM device, too. I strongly hope the F5122 (Xperia X Dual-SIM) will work, too, as the hardware seems to identical besides the SIM card slot. (I wouldn't mind a smaller device either. 5" is huge, too big for my trousers' pocket.)

No Dual-Sim, no money.

I think it will be manaed. As I bought Jolla 1 Phone back in 2013 SailfishOS was also beta. So i see no big problem.

We now have 2017 - 5 years later - Jolla needs to ship products now and not behave like a startup that just started off with making business.

In all honesty this smells like another PR Desaster for Jolla. The announcement is again not clear about the BT support, Fingerprint and other sensors. As I know Jolla I expect them to add BT, Fingerprint and other sensors support maybe even this year or starting next year with an update. Though one little sentence like "We will work on providing Bluetooth, Fingerprint and missing sensor support within the 1 year support." would be better than what they announced now. But thats just meddling in details here.
I am just surprised that no one at Jolla noticed that this might be an issue to many potential customers. And again shipping a beta version is fine for Jolla as a startup in 2013. But now in 2017 from a sole marketing perspective I don't think it is a good idea to announce the shipment of a beta version. And me personally I am also not very happy to pay for a beta version again. (as I said already) The "daily usable device" for example is not written at all in the announcement on the blog post like it is here.

Post your questions in the next Community meeting. Its probably what is needed to clarify all the issues that came with the announcement.

Not sure if you caught this but they're opening up the build directions so the Community can build their own images next week. This means the community will be able to chew on this for nearly two months before the initial date of release. Bluetooth is likely to be solved long before then.

@one_with_linux I did not caught this :P From where do you have that information? And mostly why is this not written in the blog post (as it is a potentially very important information)

I hope we will get a fast and reliable gps tracking too. On aquafish its a mess but this should be related to the missing compass. When I need here maps fast and doesn't get the gps fix its something I really miss in comparison to my old nokia N8.

Navigaion... Right now the suggested app is Here WeGo (an android app). I guess the same will apply to Sailfish OS for the Xperia X. ...but navigation is core functionality (imho) and should thus be native to the operating system.

The missing core functionality should be remedied ASAP. ...with native software.

I am also a Linux User. Maybe it is a great idea to show non-Linux-user via video how to do that?! I think it is easy to set up a virtual machine (virtualbox) with any easy to install Linux a la ubuntu & co. Afterwards the instructions from Jolla should help to get the install successfully done.

Maybe I'll need your help, Im livin close to Koblenz. We'll see that in a few months :)

I think as a normal windows user with no further IT experience maybe it could be frustrating to get used to virtualbox. I am sure hardcore users can't understand because they are far beyond... On the other hand this crazy console stuff that you for sure would not understand if you face it the first time. What if you get into errors that you don't understand... In my humble opinion pointing to virtualbox is not a good option... So maybe the community can get closer together by helping each other...

@NuklearFart: Tell me if you need help. Maybe we plan a community meeting as a "Flashing Party"

what if one linux mage creates a SailfishX flashing Docker container? ;)

it just have to be started by others and voila, magic happened, flasing is done...

I have used Linux a time or two but still not as familiar as I need to be. John of Demolition Dayton OH and Excavation Contractor Toledo OH

You're not the only one bro, I'm from Paraguay and I was waiting for the announce... Disappointed about the availability... Perhaps, I think that if you have someone in EU country he could buy for you? I will do that because I bought a Xperia X for installing Sailfish OS

I bought the X, too... But I dont have anybody in the EU. So I will probably be selling it.

Should not be a problem to sell something immaterial like an OS worldwide. Just saying.

I think the same... But well... It will be a community port soon, maybe someone else port Anbox to our Xperia X and we will have Sailfish OS and Android support for free 🤗

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Because of that my jolla 1still has 1.x installed :) but my j1 is almost dead, it ofren reboots when i get called so i use the x with the crappy android. I think any other system is superior, the ui is total crap, menunavigation doesnt exist

If your battery is almost dead, check JuBaTec's replacement battery for Jolla. It works perfectly: That's what I'm currently using in mine.

Also whatch out for Android apps. Some are giant hogs (either shut alien dalvik down if you seldom use it, or disable «background notification» in as many Android apps as possible).

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