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[Official Announcement] Introducing Sailfish X

asked 2017-08-25 17:14:16 +0300

James gravatar image

updated 2017-10-10 14:35:10 +0300

After months of development and hard work, we finally are ready to announce the details of our Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia X project, called Sailfish X!

As you know, this is our first port of Sailfish OS to a 64-bit ARM architecture based device which introduced its own challenges regarding compatibility and ease of progress. Our engineers did however plow through the challenges and made a daily usable device out of the Sony Xperia X powered by Sailfish OS!

Sales day is getting closer

Here is everything we have in place now regarding Sailfish X:

  • Sales start date: October 4th, 2017
  • Product - what you will get:
  • Sailfish OS image to flash to your Xperia device - our target is to have the downloadable image ready by October 11
  • Android support, predictive text input, and MS exchange support as downloads from Jolla Store to your device
  • SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow
  • Clear instructions and support for downloads & installation
  • Jolla Customer Care service
  • Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed
  • Price: 49,90€ (including VAT)

For the all the pioneers of the Sailfish Community Device Program, we also wanna offer a discount for the purchase of Sailfish X thanks to your continued support and passion. More information on that will follow soon.

For more information, please read our latest blog post.

Cheers, James Noori

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Thanks for all the work, a little longer of a wait but dates are great to have! Great work to the community, looking forward to moving over to it in the near future!

marxistvegan ( 2017-08-25 17:32:37 +0300 )edit
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This is great news. I am happy to volunteer installing SailfishX from a Windows 10 pc, and write instructions how to do it. Can I have it now already? ;)

rob_kouw ( 2017-08-25 17:33:12 +0300 )edit
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Hi,

This look good ! Are you planning to provide devices to independent reviewers, so that we can get a feeling of what we can expect from sailfishOS on this device ? Reading a claim from Jolla company that you "made a daily usable device out of the Sony Xperia X powered by Sailfish OS" is not really the same as getting a review from an independant youtuber (or other media) explaining what works, how responsive the UI is, how well android apps work, etc.

vbregier ( 2017-08-25 17:41:42 +0300 )edit
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"SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow"

Part of the appeal of jolla/sailfish community devices is that you get updates for a long time. The J1 i have still gets updates. Could you be a bit more clear regarding this?

ApB ( 2017-08-25 17:46:42 +0300 )edit
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@ApB I guess @James meant that the price only includes yearly updates and you'll have to pay for them afterward. Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

Aldrog ( 2017-08-25 18:03:57 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-08-27 09:01:48 +0300

orol gravatar image

I need dual sim device (I have two Jolla 1 yet) . Do you plan porting SFOS to dual sim Sony device too?

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just for the record: I want the dual-Sim version, too. :)

BlaeX ( 2017-08-28 09:28:15 +0300 )edit
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also for the record, dual SIM needed. Have Jolla C now. :)

tomtom ( 2017-08-29 17:35:10 +0300 )edit

Dual sim Sony Xperia is only being sold for cheaper as well

Mariusmssj ( 2017-08-29 18:09:25 +0300 )edit
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Need a Dual-SIM device, too. I strongly hope the F5122 (Xperia X Dual-SIM) will work, too, as the hardware seems to identical besides the SIM card slot. (I wouldn't mind a smaller device either. 5" is huge, too big for my trousers' pocket.)

XTaran ( 2017-09-21 04:08:54 +0300 )edit

No Dual-Sim, no money.

Armadillo ( 2017-09-26 23:17:59 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-27 11:31:29 +0300

girsh gravatar image

updated 2017-08-29 19:08:18 +0300

Great news! But whats about smaller Sony devises? X Compact for example. image description

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I really hope the next device will be the xz1 compact.

ApB ( 2017-08-27 12:29:18 +0300 )edit
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I'd be happy with older X compact. Hardware differences between X and X Compact are supposed to be minimal (creeen res and battery). I hope X Compact port would be pretty straightforward once Xperia X will be done.

Xeno_PL ( 2017-08-30 12:11:37 +0300 )edit

So no official comment means, it won't work?

item ( 2017-10-08 19:03:55 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 01:06:07 +0300

Giacomo Di Giacomo gravatar image

My answer is rather a question. Does the Raspberry Pi count as a Linux PC or you mean an IBM PC?

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Its ARM so unless the tools used for installing SFOS on xperia can be compiled for ARM then i wouldn't expect it to work.

ApB ( 2017-08-28 01:15:55 +0300 )edit
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In this case it would be correct to specify the need for an x86/x64 Linux PC, not just a Linux PC.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-08-28 07:59:29 +0300 )edit

As I don't work for jolla I wouldn't know for sure, but I assume u will only need ADB (Android Debug Bridge).

Threre is no reason this would not work on the pi, so check if there is adb for your pi disto.

Wuestenschiff ( 2017-09-19 18:35:34 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 01:54:24 +0300

jakonator gravatar image

updated 2017-08-28 01:55:15 +0300

Nice :)

In my opinion it is a great thing that Bluetooth is still not working. Anyhow as a Jolla user from the first day on, I still believe in you guys and in the thought that we need a quiet open and user privacy respecting smartphone software which can compete against Google and Apple. But to make high quality content you need money, so shut up and take my money :D

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So great a thing that one of the uses I do most with my Jolla C, that is streaming music in car with Spotify to the Bluetooth system, won't work.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-08-28 08:01:02 +0300 )edit
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I think you are really trying to find something wrong releasing it "early". Why not use your old Jolla if it's really so important issue, or wait until X becomes available with the features you need. Is someone twisting your arm to buy it the first day? I don't think it's great not to have BT for example, I use it a lot also. I just think it's not going to take that much longer to get it working.

Nrde ( 2017-08-29 11:00:37 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 12:20:47 +0300

Huholoman gravatar image

Hello, nice to hear that. Do you already know what device will get next SFOS support? Or will be there some voting poll? How big chance does Xperia Compact X have to be the next device with SFOS support?

Thanks

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answered 2017-08-28 13:41:22 +0300

Sinikivi gravatar image

updated 2017-08-28 13:44:06 +0300

Kiitos! Thanks! Tack! ありがとう!

I was hoping that the smaller Xperia X Compact was also supported in launch because I have smaller hands. At this point I'll have to take pretty much anything I can since my Jolla 1 is breaking down badly. Battery won't last even half of my usual work day and Sailfish 2.x has major performance and media space issues with it which a software reset doesn't really solve.

Really looking forwards to future with SFOS improvements. I'm hoping for option to open notifications from bottom with a thumb like in 1.x instead of the awkward sides swipes. I don't really need to open applications that often but I need to check the notifications quite often. Please, consider this for a future 2.x release. It feels much better.

Could you clarify if you're going to sell the SFOS on subscription basis where this 50€ spent gives you one year worth of updates and support or is it going to last longer?

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Because of that my jolla 1still has 1.x installed :) but my j1 is almost dead, it ofren reboots when i get called so i use the x with the crappy android. I think any other system is superior, the ui is total crap, menunavigation doesnt exist

NuklearFart ( 2017-08-28 15:45:54 +0300 )edit

If your battery is almost dead, check JuBaTec's replacement battery for Jolla. It works perfectly: That's what I'm currently using in mine.

Also whatch out for Android apps. Some are giant hogs (either shut alien dalvik down if you seldom use it, or disable «background notification» in as many Android apps as possible).

DrYak ( 2017-10-11 13:24:00 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-29 13:08:20 +0300

ashwin_kp gravatar image

updated 2017-08-29 13:09:44 +0300

I agree with @leszek

No Bluetooth? no FM-radio? these are available in community ports.

And I do not want do any "magic on the device". Lot of users may not be proficient with Linux. why target tech-savvy? You are not selling your product to a 'post-beta testing group'. You are selling to an ordinary end-user who wants a phone for everyday use and does not want to tinker.

The installation should be as simple and straight-forward as possible. This should have been #1 item on the list.

Also, and the talk of "SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow" sounds skeptical. All this combined, in my view, is destroying the experience.

I think the model used for JollaC / Intex Aquafish is the right way to go.

Now I wonder how the phones from JalaSoft and other forthcoming devices would be handled

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I also need Bluetooth, but as I have 3 Jolla 1 phones with working Bluetooth I can wait for Sailfish for Xpreria X to mature.

Targeting to tech savvy -users is required as the flashing tool is from Sony (https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/flash-tool/) and it works only from Linux command line. Even if you use it to tinker with the android, you need Linux and command line. Creating a GUI (graphical user interface) for such a tool is possible, but it might not be as robust as required and making a good GUI costs money (a lot, usually).

I agree with you about the software license. 50 € for a year without describing what might come after (I want to have updates (security updates as bare minimum) to my phone as long as it works). I just hope the program continues in a sane manner. However, that said, I will support Jolla with my 50€ when the time comes. I have already ordered the Xperia X, and waiting for OS Availability.

This is a beginning. Who knows, either Jolla or Sony might later sell devices with Sailfish installed, but it is too soon for that. Jolla needs new devices for developers and for showing the portability of the OS. Sony sees this as a fruit of their open devices program. It might motivate Sony to invest more money to the project. In a way, with each OS port the available device selection widens and next porting projects are little easier.

Lupin ( 2017-08-29 20:34:50 +0300 )edit

Would like FM radio and NFC support.

DarkTuring ( 2017-12-03 19:32:00 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-09-07 16:25:07 +0300

Moo-Crumpus gravatar image

after a while, askbot threads are unreadable

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answered 2017-09-07 19:52:51 +0300

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Once (and if) SailfishX is released full-featured for a 64-bit device like Xperia X (I mean without any regression compared with current SailfishOS 32-bit, plus full support of all built-in Xperia components including Cortex & Adreno CPU/GPU, camera, BT, stereo audio, FM radio etc.) how difficult and how long would be to extend its capabilities to other (even all) devices with similar base components? In other words: is SailfishX designed with sufficient internal modularity/configurability to comply easily with HW variants?

Not asking because Xperia X isn't my cup of tea, but mainly because the future of Sailfish ecosystem is largely depending on how many HW platforms will be supported.

BTW, I already purchased my Xperia X, just in case. Not using it much for now, as unrooted Android is definitely uncomfortable for a Sailfish user.

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answered 2017-09-12 22:35:53 +0300

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For the Sony Experia Port please resolve the system and root partition data issue. Since day one of using SFOs i have been running out of systems memory and given that Sony Xperia has globs of please tripple baseline SFOS system data partition.

Instead of 2GB simply use and configure 6GB for SFOs all problems solved. Memory should not be an issue given that i can probably jam a 256GB into the Xperia sdcard slot.

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While the default is 2gb at least on the community-release I just resized the root-partition on my xperia-x to 5.5gb without problems with this method :)

jakibaki ( 2017-09-29 19:29:22 +0300 )edit

@jakibaki thats amazing because when i tried doing resizing on a live root partition i have been bricking one after another of my SFOS phones.

Would you be so kind to describe in enough detail and based on your eaxct example and case what commands you used in the terminal, including partition names, etc

Very much appreciated!!

DarkTuring ( 2017-10-11 08:49:15 +0300 )edit
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