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[Official Announcement] Introducing Sailfish X

asked 2017-08-25 17:14:16 +0300

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updated 2017-09-09 00:25:07 +0300

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After months of development and hard work, we finally are ready to announce the details of our Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia X project, called Sailfish X!

As you know, this is our first port of Sailfish OS to a 64-bit ARM architecture based device which introduced its own challenges regarding compatibility and ease of progress. Our engineers did however plow through the challenges and made a daily usable device out of the Sony Xperia X powered by Sailfish OS!

Sales day is getting closer

Here is everything we have in place now regarding Sailfish X:

  • Sales start date: September 27, 2017
  • Product - what you will get:
  • Sailfish OS image to flash to your Xperia device - our target is to have the downloadable image ready by October 11
  • Android support, predictive text input, and MS exchange support as downloads from Jolla Store to your device
  • SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow
  • Clear instructions and support for downloads & installation
  • Jolla Customer Care service
  • Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed
  • Price: 49,90€ (including VAT)

For the all the pioneers of the Sailfish Community Device Program, we also wanna offer a discount for the purchase of Sailfish X thanks to your continued support and passion. More information on that will follow soon.

For more information, please read our latest blog post.

Cheers, James Noori

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Thanks for all the work, a little longer of a wait but dates are great to have! Great work to the community, looking forward to moving over to it in the near future!

marxistvegan ( 2017-08-25 17:32:37 +0300 )edit
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This is great news. I am happy to volunteer installing SailfishX from a Windows 10 pc, and write instructions how to do it. Can I have it now already? ;)

rob_kouw ( 2017-08-25 17:33:12 +0300 )edit
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Hi,

This look good ! Are you planning to provide devices to independent reviewers, so that we can get a feeling of what we can expect from sailfishOS on this device ? Reading a claim from Jolla company that you "made a daily usable device out of the Sony Xperia X powered by Sailfish OS" is not really the same as getting a review from an independant youtuber (or other media) explaining what works, how responsive the UI is, how well android apps work, etc.

vbregier ( 2017-08-25 17:41:42 +0300 )edit
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"SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow"

Part of the appeal of jolla/sailfish community devices is that you get updates for a long time. The J1 i have still gets updates. Could you be a bit more clear regarding this?

ApB ( 2017-08-25 17:46:42 +0300 )edit
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@ApB I guess @James meant that the price only includes yearly updates and you'll have to pay for them afterward. Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

Aldrog ( 2017-08-25 18:03:57 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-09-07 19:52:51 +0300

objectifnul gravatar image

Once (and if) SailfishX is released full-featured for a 64-bit device like Xperia X (I mean without any regression compared with current SailfishOS 32-bit, plus full support of all built-in Xperia components including Cortex & Adreno CPU/GPU, camera, BT, stereo audio, FM radio etc.) how difficult and how long would be to extend its capabilities to other (even all) devices with similar base components? In other words: is SailfishX designed with sufficient internal modularity/configurability to comply easily with HW variants?

Not asking because Xperia X isn't my cup of tea, but mainly because the future of Sailfish ecosystem is largely depending on how many HW platforms will be supported.

BTW, I already purchased my Xperia X, just in case. Not using it much for now, as unrooted Android is definitely uncomfortable for a Sailfish user.

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answered 2017-08-25 22:42:48 +0300

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At the moment I am not interested for paying for Sailfish OS that amount for a year with its current state, one time payment might be ok. I will continue to run Jolla 1 as my secondary/backup phone. But lack of official apps for major streaming services, messaging apps and so on is a problem, I cant name a single app for my jolla that is native from service provider. I find it cumbersome to have a need for android support to be able use common everyday apps. All so paying full price for phone(with os), paying for a different os, then flashing it my self and then if problems arise trying to get that solved with two customer service (jolla and phones seller) is something that doesn't appeal to me.

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You are triggering several problems: 1) Major apps or developer only tend to jump on OS with a significant volume of users. Thats not the case for Jolla. Thats the reason they are relying on android support which is in my opinion the right thing to do until they get more users on they system. 2) Jolly is pretty small company with financial issues in the past because they tried to jump on the hardware business which is challenging which not sufficient byers / volume (economies of scale). So they did the right thing to lean on software development and cut the hardware business. I think for such a small company they did pretty well in such a challenging market (licensing partners in Russia and China and more to come). For us as user we need to consider that nothing is for free. With Google we are also getting charged not with € but with our personal data or advertisement. Jolla needs to generate revenues in order to keep they business alive. I am willing to pay for software in order to prevent advertisement or personal data extraction. I am also paying for my email account for example because I am not willing to let google read all my emails. No service is for free (expect open source :) ). The more users are supporting Jolla and paying for software they deliver the more resource Jolla get and can push they system to the next level. 3) It is true that Sailfish OS is not as mature as IOS or Android. But please consider the company size. As I said I think they did pretty well - the OS is really good. I think we need to be patient. Jolla is not Apple they are relying on us and the community. We need to support each other in order to get an alternative to those big companies! :)

Imothep ( 2017-08-25 23:06:41 +0300 )edit
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For me its OK. I"m fine to pay 50 EUR for SailfishOS, which is running on good HW. Lot of Sailfish Community Members are Linux geeks and i see no problem to start with a beta Version, which willbe update afterwards. For me its better than use Android or IOS.

ExPLIT ( 2017-08-25 23:08:22 +0300 )edit
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I will also stick with my Jolla C for now, but for a different reason --- I currently use (1) dual SIM and (2) Bluetooth. I will be happy to pay my 50E once those two features work.

Federico ( 2017-08-25 23:25:37 +0300 )edit
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Can I buy phone with the dual SIM option but only use a single SIM (wait until Jolle adapts to dual SIM once and for all) ?

manu007 ( 2017-08-26 11:56:44 +0300 )edit

@manu007 It has been stated lots of times. The only phone that is guaranteed to work with this version is the single-sim Xperia X F5121.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-08-28 09:36:56 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-27 08:51:34 +0300

Jens2017 gravatar image

Absolutely great! I wish Jolla the best for the future!

Using the backup data of the older Jolla devices should be possible I suppose? Just in order to continue using all SMS and further data easily.

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answered 2017-08-25 18:51:49 +0300

N9Sailfish gravatar image

Very nice indeed. Thank you! But was it mentioned above that PC with Linux is needed? There has to be also an option with PC Win 10 etc .....

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Who needs this? :)

Stefanix ( 2017-08-25 18:56:20 +0300 )edit
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I guess the problem is the focus Jolla in this case. But nothing might stop the community from providing such tools.

tortoisedoc ( 2017-08-25 18:58:25 +0300 )edit
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A live linux distribution running from a USB memory would probably be enough. ...and would not require an installation.

vattuvarg ( 2017-08-25 19:02:01 +0300 )edit
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Assuming you know your way around Linux. Then however, who else using Jolla does not know their way around Linux?

tortoisedoc ( 2017-08-25 19:15:54 +0300 )edit
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Should be possible to make a live CD/image with just the tools needed to flash the phone. So that may be another viable route.

sidv ( 2017-08-25 20:18:19 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 12:20:47 +0300

Huholoman gravatar image

Hello, nice to hear that. Do you already know what device will get next SFOS support? Or will be there some voting poll? How big chance does Xperia Compact X have to be the next device with SFOS support?

Thanks

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answered 2017-08-25 19:06:22 +0300

Kalatti gravatar image

Thank you very much for making this community great.

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Hej Vattuvarg, thanks. Thus from where do we get instructions for this? How high memory? Does a simple usb memory stick suit for as the usb memory?

N9Sailfish ( 2017-08-25 19:13:34 +0300 )edit
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Yes, any USB memory stick will do. Just remember that some linux distributions are larger than others. I use 4, 8 or 16 GB memory sticks for my Mageia 6 Live systems. But there are other live linux distributions that are smaller. Some are much smaller.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installation_Media#Dump_Mageia_ISO_on_a_USB_flash_drive

vattuvarg ( 2017-08-25 21:18:20 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 01:54:24 +0300

jakonator gravatar image

updated 2017-08-28 01:55:15 +0300

Nice :)

In my opinion it is a great thing that Bluetooth is still not working. Anyhow as a Jolla user from the first day on, I still believe in you guys and in the thought that we need a quiet open and user privacy respecting smartphone software which can compete against Google and Apple. But to make high quality content you need money, so shut up and take my money :D

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So great a thing that one of the uses I do most with my Jolla C, that is streaming music in car with Spotify to the Bluetooth system, won't work.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-08-28 08:01:02 +0300 )edit
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I think you are really trying to find something wrong releasing it "early". Why not use your old Jolla if it's really so important issue, or wait until X becomes available with the features you need. Is someone twisting your arm to buy it the first day? I don't think it's great not to have BT for example, I use it a lot also. I just think it's not going to take that much longer to get it working.

Nrde ( 2017-08-29 11:00:37 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-28 01:06:07 +0300

Giacomo Di Giacomo gravatar image

My answer is rather a question. Does the Raspberry Pi count as a Linux PC or you mean an IBM PC?

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Its ARM so unless the tools used for installing SFOS on xperia can be compiled for ARM then i wouldn't expect it to work.

ApB ( 2017-08-28 01:15:55 +0300 )edit
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In this case it would be correct to specify the need for an x86/x64 Linux PC, not just a Linux PC.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-08-28 07:59:29 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-08-29 13:08:20 +0300

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updated 2017-08-29 13:09:44 +0300

I agree with @leszek

No Bluetooth? no FM-radio? these are available in community ports.

And I do not want do any "magic on the device". Lot of users may not be proficient with Linux. why target tech-savvy? You are not selling your product to a 'post-beta testing group'. You are selling to an ordinary end-user who wants a phone for everyday use and does not want to tinker.

The installation should be as simple and straight-forward as possible. This should have been #1 item on the list.

Also, and the talk of "SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow" sounds skeptical. All this combined, in my view, is destroying the experience.

I think the model used for JollaC / Intex Aquafish is the right way to go.

Now I wonder how the phones from JalaSoft and other forthcoming devices would be handled

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I also need Bluetooth, but as I have 3 Jolla 1 phones with working Bluetooth I can wait for Sailfish for Xpreria X to mature.

Targeting to tech savvy -users is required as the flashing tool is from Sony (https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/flash-tool/) and it works only from Linux command line. Even if you use it to tinker with the android, you need Linux and command line. Creating a GUI (graphical user interface) for such a tool is possible, but it might not be as robust as required and making a good GUI costs money (a lot, usually).

I agree with you about the software license. 50 € for a year without describing what might come after (I want to have updates (security updates as bare minimum) to my phone as long as it works). I just hope the program continues in a sane manner. However, that said, I will support Jolla with my 50€ when the time comes. I have already ordered the Xperia X, and waiting for OS Availability.

This is a beginning. Who knows, either Jolla or Sony might later sell devices with Sailfish installed, but it is too soon for that. Jolla needs new devices for developers and for showing the portability of the OS. Sony sees this as a fruit of their open devices program. It might motivate Sony to invest more money to the project. In a way, with each OS port the available device selection widens and next porting projects are little easier.

Lupin ( 2017-08-29 20:34:50 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-09-12 22:35:53 +0300

DarkTuring gravatar image

For the Sony Experia Port please resolve the system and root partition data issue. Since day one of using SFOs i have been running out of systems memory and given that Sony Xperia has globs of please tripple baseline SFOS system data partition.

Instead of 2GB simply use and configure 6GB for SFOs all problems solved. Memory should not be an issue given that i can probably jam a 256GB into the Xperia sdcard slot.

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