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How does Jolla compare to the newly introduced Blackphone? [not relevant]

asked 2014-01-18 22:25:02 +0300

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As Jolla with Sailsfish os is a linux based open source device - how does it compare to the newly introduced Blackphone?

Can Jolla/Sailfish use their own security features in their marketing concept the same way as Blackphone is now doing?

It seems Blackphone has a similar marketing strategy as Jolla had i.e. pre-ordering starts at MVC2014

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I think the two phones have a completely different goal, and you can't match them up or compare in a sane way, since they have completely different goals.

STiAT ( 2014-01-18 22:49:23 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-18 22:29:33 +0300

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Blackphone is based on Android and I don't trust Android. I trust Jolla and SailfishOS much more than any OS which is based on anything which Google has introduced. This might be a limited view but I am behind that view.

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Jolla has much to improve in terms of security, yet it's main advantage is the openness of the platform allowing to find and eventually patch the holes or at least point them out as can be already seen in this forum. Personally I don't believe this is possible with anything Droid-based.

strnous ( 2014-01-18 23:15:15 +0300 )edit

Another thing which has come to my mind is baseband exploits. And this is a thing where Jolla and Blackphone can't do anything against. Except don't use known chips.

Sailor ( 2014-01-18 23:55:04 +0300 )edit

Android is fully open source, so dont have to trust it, you can check the source code yourself. If I remember right, source code for sailfish OS havent been released, this puts android ahead. And a top of that, blackphone has a lot nice security features.

Cipher ( 2014-02-25 19:19:43 +0300 )edit

@Cipher whoever compiles the release decides what is in it, and this is not necessarily the same as in the repository... I love OS, but IMHO it is not worth that much without a trustworthy company or person releasing it

tokaru ( 2014-02-26 12:45:08 +0300 )edit

@Cipher, what are you talking about? Google, as well as everyone that makes Android phones, are working hard on closing up as much of Android as they can (this is one of the reasons Google Play isn't available on Jolla - they don't want Android to be open). They do this by creating new, closed-source replacements for every Android components they can, and then all the manufacturers ship these closed versions instead of the open ones. While for SailfishOS, the source code for basically the whole base system is available as open source (it's called Nemo Mobile), except for some Jolla apps and add-ons. Not perfect, no, but how on Earth can you possibly say Android is any better than this?

ovekaaven ( 2014-02-26 13:18:00 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-02-26 17:11:51 +0300

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updated 2014-02-27 21:31:00 +0300

@tokaru yes, you are right, but with Android you can build it yourself, using cyanogenmod you can see whats in it and install it yourself.

@ovekaaven Correct me if I'm wrong in any details. Android is better IMHO than Jolla/Sailfishos because there is source code available (you can start for example here: http://source.android.com/ ). And you can use Cyanogenmod ( source: https://github.com/CyanogenMod ) to run it on many phones. Of course there might be some binary firmwares, but I dont think SailfishOS/Jolla is any better in this area. Seems the binary firmwares are used with most ARM-hardware thesedays. And with sailfishos we dont even have the OS source code.Hopefully in the future the Sailfish will be open source.

Just out curiosity, is the Jolla store open? Is there for example public API available to use it on other hardware?

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The store is a PackageKit client, and PackageKit is open. What's not open is the REST API for browsing content. If there was paid content, an open REST API may pose a problem.

pycage ( 2014-02-28 12:58:24 +0300 )edit

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