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asked 2017-10-11 20:49:06 +0300

h.berd gravatar image

updated 2017-12-18 00:21:26 +0300

Please share your overall experience in this thread. I would love to hear how much you like or dislike Sailfish X.

For Example:

How is the performance in general. Is there a significant difference to Jolla C?

How is your experience with bluetooth connection still in beta?

How much time is needed to flash the phone?

Is the camera working fast? Can you post some pictures to let us see the quality ?

Many thanks in advance and all the best!

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Sample pictures from the camera would indeed be nice!

TomC ( 2017-10-11 21:32:23 +0300 )edit
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How is the performance in general. Is there a significant difference to Jolla C?

Not very much to feel, but the scrolling is smoother

How is your experience with bluetooth connection still in beta?

BT seems fine

How much time is needed to flash the phone?

I needed about 30 min., but I think it is way too hard for many users. If nobody comes up with flashed phones, this will not get an successor. It is complicated, too much different steps...

Is the camera working fast? Can you post some pictures to let us see the quality ?

Is working, faster and the results are better than in Jolla1 or JollaC

poddl ( 2017-10-13 00:48:50 +0300 )edit
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Something that nobody mentioned yet...

The colour notification LED is back!!!!

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-10-13 15:25:17 +0300 )edit
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Yay! I love the colour notification LED :)

Beethoven ( 2017-10-13 16:30:22 +0300 )edit
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Unbelievable, how simple things, like colour notification LED, can make people so happy. And how these simple things widely ignored in industry.

nlsn ( 2017-10-16 13:19:16 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-10-11 21:05:58 +0300

Dietmar gravatar image

updated 2017-10-11 22:07:25 +0300

For unlocking the Sony bootloader, the installation instructions just refer to the Sony instructions. These state that installing the SDK is sufficient for unlocking, but unfortunately they will only tell you how to do so for the full multi-GB installation of Android Studio. I would have expected step-by-step instructions from Jolla for unlocking.

So, to answer "How much time is needed to flash the phone?": very much including preparations; the flashing itself is around a minute

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At least for linux you do not have to install the complete SDK, you only need "fastboot" to unlock the bootloader. Maybe there is some slimmed down installer for windows?!

inta ( 2017-10-11 21:13:14 +0300 )edit
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I've now installed Android Studio. If someone tries the SDK-only way:

  • unpack sdk-tools-windows-3859397.zip
  • the sdk manager is here: tools\bin\sdkmanager.bat
  • execute sdkmanager "platform-tools" "platforms;android-26"
  • there should now be a platform-tools\fastboot.exe

The next step would be to install the USB driver. Not sure what the command would be.

For the unlocking itself, the Sony instructions state:

  • Developer options are hidden by default.
  • To enable, tap on Settings > About Phone > Build Version multiple times.
  • Then, turn on USB debugging by going to Settings > Developer options.

In addition to these instructions, also OEM unlocking needs to be enabled in the Developer options.

Dietmar ( 2017-10-11 21:22:33 +0300 )edit
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I agree with Dietmar, the instructions provided by Jolla are not all that great. I personally also had to invest a lot of time until i got the bootloader unlocked, and it only worked on Windows 7 (not 10) for me, for some reason. This is kind of annoying. Other than this, the whole driver issue is not very fortunate, and still keeps me from actually being able to use my Sailfish X phone (see: https://together.jolla.com/question/169017/sailfish-x-stuck-on-spinner-after-tutorial/ )

I am however very impressed how easy the whole flashing works once you've unlocked your device. So the piece of software actually provided by Jolla is good, the rest could be more convenient.

siggg ( 2017-10-12 16:35:29 +0300 )edit
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It depends on what you want. If you want to backup youre drm keys, yes, then you have to download some gb from internet. Backing up is only possible with android 6 and not 7. So downgrade, backup drm keys,upgrade to 7 again, then start flashing. unlocking bootloader is another ToDo. Heres a good guide, at least for linux. http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/

carepack ( 2017-10-12 18:15:04 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-10-12 18:02:19 +0300

MystIsland gravatar image

updated 2017-10-12 18:04:55 +0300

My two cents after one day of usage... I did a backup on my Jolla1 and moved it on the SD card to the Xperia and restored from that.

First the negative stuff:

  • The driver-stuff related to the flashing and the instructions were not totally clear. When I finally got to run the flashing script itself, it was fast and straight-forward.
  • Lot of digital noise on headphone output (might depend on headphone impedance) during audio playback
  • All MMS photos are missing: the messages' texts are present but the photos are not there (more of an issue of the backup/restore-functionality than the phone)
  • Swiping from the edges seems to be touchier than on Jolla1, I have needed to repeat the swipe-from right couple of times
  • As mentioned in the release notes: "Issues with video playback and video recording", ie. low framerate (YouTube works ok-ish in browser, YTPlayer is worse)
  • So far all my phone calls have ended with three-tone-error-beep and a network error (didn't make note of the error) after ending the call

When I restart the phone, it shows a message about the phone being unlocked and cannot be trusted. Is this going to show on every boot? Also the white-background Sony logo, which feels like full-brightness is an eye-killer if you do it at night!

The good stuff:

  • The display is gorgeus!

  • Haven't done any serious testing on the camera yet, but it feels so much better after having used Jolla1... Here are two snaps I took today (camera on 4:3 (13 Mpx) setting): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nlf694pz17a81h2/AAA2Fd9NsUX31FHHGmfTYczna?dl=0 All I have done to these was to remove the GPS information, no other editing.

  • UI feels smooth and responsive, also browser works much faster
  • Battery life feels better than my Jolla1's (that had a replaced battery), not bad for a first release and hopefully it will get more optimized in the future.

So far so good. I am still installing all my previous apps and probably some will have bugs, but so far nothing game-stopping.

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I've had a game stopper. I did a recent backup of my Jolla 1 but it's failing to import into the Xperia. It does the Accounts, quickly skips past Browser and then fails trying to import the Calendar. It then doesn't carry on with the rest so I have no SMS records or call details.

I have managed to import all my contacts through the methods detailed elsewhere on this site.

I'm happy with the camera and the browser but failures with things like restoring a backup take the shine off it. It didn't help that I deleted a secure database of passwords from the old phone while doing a transfer either. The problem is definitely between the keyboard and the chair on that one though.

toner_cloud ( 2017-10-12 19:54:23 +0300 )edit

Backup restore worked from SD card for me. Offcourse it whould work with any other method too. Just thought if you would like to give it a try. Saved me alot of hassle

olli ( 2017-10-13 22:11:55 +0300 )edit

I didn't bother with official backup system. My contacts and calendars are synced from my NextCloud, so that part was easy. SMS and call history I just copied from Jolla C by "brutally" tar-gzipping ~/.local/share/commhistory, copying it to the Xperia X and unzipping it.

Pesasa ( 2017-10-14 14:48:21 +0300 )edit

For me worked backup file from Jolla 1 just fine. Everything came back, even the old call records, which is quite unnecessary I think but doesnt matter either.

lumen ( 2017-10-14 15:58:36 +0300 )edit

My phone finds only one (2month old) backup files There is no "restore", only "update" and the question which to keep.

mj ( 2017-10-14 17:58:47 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-10-13 15:09:30 +0300

MariusP gravatar image

updated 2017-10-13 15:16:15 +0300

The overall performance is good (better than on JollaC), although AIDA 64 shows only the first 4 cores running.

Bluetooth is working the same as on JollaC (successfully paired with JollaC, and with JBL headphones - for music, and calling; the answer/hang up from headphones button works, volume buttons also work).

Camera resolutions with default settings: main: 5312 × 2988 pixels = 16 MP frontal: 3120 × 4160 pixels = 14 MP Sample photos can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bradoth2nr67llc/AABO_oUzyMb2o4ZTT36UERKTa?dl=0

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If you start a heavy app (or many apps) and switch back quickly to AIDA 64 you see all 6 cores running. So I think its great they are sleeping as long as they are not needed.

inta ( 2017-10-13 16:14:47 +0300 )edit
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Bluetooth is not working as on Jolla C, car connect does not work. I know the status is beta, but hands-free communication is strongly needed, as using a phone in a car is forbidden.

MaxT ( 2017-10-13 20:36:43 +0300 )edit

It works on all of my peripherals. Can you specify yours?

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2017-10-14 03:05:25 +0300 )edit

Bluetooth does not find car system. Also was not able to pair with Jolla1.

mj ( 2017-10-14 18:00:29 +0300 )edit

I have a JVC unit, with a parrot? BT usb dongle pre installed. BT pairing is kind if hit and miss (but it was almost the same with Jolla C) I get an audio connection if I first disconnect bot car and audio and then reconnect just audio. This gives me plain audio with stutter. car/headset connection is 9/10 without any sound from the phone.

I don't have that much us e for headset/microphone use in the car, but the audio stuttering (music, podcasts) is annoying. There's a pause or screetching sound every few seconds between2 and 20 seconds). I have managed to get flawless audio maybe 2 times since getiing sailfish on the phone, so it's not impossible.

Nrde ( 2017-10-21 13:56:07 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-10-13 17:38:08 +0300

XFish gravatar image

updated 2017-10-20 05:39:50 +0300

My Experience so Far, some of it might be SFOS limitations some Sailfish X bugs hard to say:

  1. The GOOD very responsive, delays existing in Aquafish UI elliminated, no more waiting for anything!
  2. Seems to find networks better, has better reception then the aquafish with same SIM same location same mobile provider;
  3. No issues with making call experienced, no weird noises etc;
  4. Was able to bump root to 5GB using telnet shell! Current Memory Situation
  5. Gorgeous Sailfish X website and the jolla Shop worked flawlessly on mobile and desktop;

  6. The BAD, APN settings VPN settings are not restored when restoring from SFOS backup!
  7. VPN on Sailfish X seems to have issues automatically reconnecting, when restarting network layer it simoly stays off;
  8. Had to use command line to get double tap screen to wakeup, APN settings to save after reboot;
  9. When trying to restore Storeman backup, no repositories restored that i had previously backed up on my Aquafish :-/ ;
  10. When selecting save photos, screenshots on external memory card it actually still saves them in Pictures NEMO folder not on the external Memory Card;
  11. Even though i selected text large in settings email text is tiny weeny in EMAIL app: Email app Jolla Together email received and cannot read because its too small.
  12. In email app when opening an email and selecting Display Image (otherwise its blank) and then trying to select any textual hyperlinks is difficult. Often i have to press a link about 4 times before it detects it so the webview hyperlinks srent easily recognized for click input somehow;
  13. GPS i havent gotten to work in any mode (SFOS apps);
  14. Bluetooth to Kinovo device, (pairing does not show Kinovo bluetooth receiver when the receiver is set to pairing mode);
  15. WIFI to Mobile Data handoff issues with SFOS VPN active, still need to perform network layer restart every time leaving a WIFI network and when mobile data 4G network is slow, it will not connect otherwise flush, reset and restart 4G and VPN connection;
  16. Utilities Refresh Media Database function does not work, user popup messages saying failed, when manually tracker daemon start, stop command through terminal and reset command it works.
  17. Going back to the SFOS VPN functionality under poor 3G mobile connectivity VPN is essentially useless and cant connect reliably, when i turn it off the phone connects judt fine with 46dB wireless 3G signal (about half of a strong network signal);

To be continued......

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Even tried to change text size via terminal? I'd have to search it but i posted it somewhere, dont know if it still worjs with the x

NuklearFart ( 2017-10-13 18:19:30 +0300 )edit

@NuklearFart yes please search for it. I never found a way for bigger font size in the email app. Look in this post here I have some images in the correct phone size: here Bigger Fonts are really needed

poddl ( 2017-10-13 21:58:59 +0300 )edit
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https://together.jolla.com/question/161207/feature-request-people-to-honour-large-text-setting#161232

This worked well with my Jolla 1 and increased font size in many applications.

NuklearFart ( 2017-10-13 22:03:27 +0300 )edit

@NuklearFart Wow, thank you! Absolutly great Solution!

poddl ( 2017-10-13 22:50:18 +0300 )edit

It seems to work in ssme areas thank you NuklearFart, however the case above for me where a jolla together email is sent still represents it in FONT 3 or so.

XFish ( 2017-10-14 00:58:57 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-10-13 20:45:29 +0300

MaxT gravatar image

updated 2017-10-16 23:16:48 +0300

The performace of Xperia X with Sailfish OS is really good. Flashing was quite tricky (installing windows drivers, Android SDK), but now the phone is working like a charme. I am very happy to have a SailfishOS phone back. My Jolla C battery broke and I had to use Android for three months.

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answered 2017-10-13 22:05:11 +0300

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updated 2017-10-31 18:31:35 +0300

  1. Flashing process took me a few hours, including all the downloads (android sdk, images, emma tool, drivers), which is a lot more than I anticipated. The instructions provided by Jolla and Sony were not very good. At the end I hadn't even used the infamous Emma tool, so not sure if I did everything right...

  2. The camera. So far I have only taken few photos indoors. Didn't get a wow effect so far (comparing with Jolla 1 camera). Have to experiment a bit more...

  3. Battery life seems pretty good. Today I have used it quite heavily: 60 minutes driving with Waze (screen on), occasional use during work, and hardly left my hands after I got home :) 35% of battery left now (at 21:55).

  4. Performance is amazing! I can actually have multiple Android apps, the browser and a lot of native apps on all at once without out of memory incidents. The browser loads pages quick enough (with Jolla 1 it was abysmally slow). Scrolling some pages with the browser seems a bit stuttering sometimes.

  5. Apps are working well. All the apps I had in Jolla 1 have been installed successfully, with the exception of Meerun, which seems to install but does not start.

  6. Some features are still missing, such as compass and wifi hotspot. It would be nice to know their roadmap.

Overall I'm very pleased with the phone!

EDIT (2.1.3.7): The camera focus seems to be greatly improved.

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@tmy i have to agree 100% on the Comoass sensor support, something that was a bit of a letdown on the Aquafish.

XFish ( 2017-10-14 01:00:49 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-10-13 22:31:08 +0300

olli gravatar image

updated 2017-10-13 22:55:43 +0300

i have been wery pleased. It's like Jolla C but with some serious horsepower under the hood. Hopefully Jolla will continue the good work with Sailfish X and we see many improvements with coming updates. This is the right direction (or course if you will)

edit: Some whiskey and only answered 1 of 4 guestions.

So bluetooth is working good enough for me. I managed to connect pebble and it works with rockpool as good as with Jolla C. Have been reading about problems with connecting with cars though :(

Flashing was not so easy, mainly the unlocking part for me. Took me about 3h, I bet I could do it under 30min now, but now I don't need to anymore :) So better/simpler instructions would be great. Allso I thinkFlashing with Linux would have been way easier, even if I am not a heavy user.

Pictures are way better than on Jolla C and sadly way worse than on Xperia X with android :( It's understandable though, I don't know how many man hours Sony, Samsung etc. have used on camera software but it's definately more than Jolla can throw at it.

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answered 2017-10-14 00:04:57 +0300

kultsinuppeli gravatar image

updated 2017-10-15 14:57:36 +0300

I jumped to SailfishX directly from Jolla1, and wow, is there ever a difference.

Bear in mind this is based on 24 hours of use.

The speed and snappiness compared to Jolla 1 is amazing. I haven't tried bluetooth yet. Battery life seems good (100% -> 80% with some amount of use, spotify, browsing, whatsapp etc.) The screen is awesome. As most people, a backup -> restore brought in most of the things.

So far I'm all smiles about it.

The update process was longer and more convoluted than I thought. That's mostly due to the Sony part though. After you wade through the Sony phone unlock, its running one script, and that's it.

Edit: Tried to pair the phone with bluetooth speakers and my Honda. Both worked nicely and I didn't encounter any issues.

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answered 2017-10-14 17:36:31 +0300

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I am quite satisfied with the official SailfishX on my Xperia. I flashed it with the official build after it had run my own. The procedure was quick and took only a few minutes. I did not face any errors.

  • Native apps work very well, perhaps with an exception of the e-mail app. The rendering of messages is weird, font is very small in HTML messages, so that I have to magnify every single message when reading. I would appreciate a double tap to magnify to the screen size. When returning to the message list, it takes a lot of time.
  • Bluetooth works in some way. Initiating a file transfer by Xperia to another device works, it does not the other way around, at least with that device I tested, the transfer gets interrupted.
  • Import of contacts from a file went ok.
  • E-mail and CalDav accounts are working fine, I have none other.
  • Android runtime seems also fine, I am actually surprised how well those few apps run. I could not find a way to enable LED/sound notifications for Android apps, though, and installed android-chatmail-notification from OpenRepos, working afterwards.
  • I have just inserted a SIM card, cellular network works (4G), still have to test voice.
  • I still have to see how the battery life goes but was quite good with the community build.
  • File system layout and sizes puzzle me, the root file system has just 880M free right now (of 2.4G). That seems too little to me. /fimage is 100% full but this is probably harmless.
  • sdcard 64G is working.
  • ssu status reads "device not registered". The device is recorded in my Jolla account together with my Jolla 1, I probably miss something then.
  • Double tap screen wakeup works after a tweak.
  • The Jolla store works fine for native apps. Apart from a market app, no Android apps are visible in there from my device.
  • I find the device's display brilliant, indeed, and pleasure to read on.
  • I added Coderus' power save app to activate auto power saving mode.

Thank you folks for your valuable questions and answers at TJC. Cheers!

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ssu status reads "device not registered"

That is totally normal and has been the same on previous devices, so no worries that something is not right here.

ghling ( 2017-10-15 12:47:29 +0300 )edit
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answered 2017-10-14 18:24:40 +0300

pasik gravatar image

Camera picture quality is far away from original Sony camera app. Color quality is good but photos are mostly blurred. Quality like Jolla C/Aquafish at the moment.

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I'm quite satisfied for plain light photos. My main disappointment is about the low light photos. I expected them to be not as good as with Sony's processing, but far better than with J1. And it's not the case for me, J1's photos are almost more light than the Xperia's :(

I'm realizing that the processing algorithms do everything, and that we'll not have good a one until a manufacturer really start making SFOS phones. Actually, the unlocked Xperia with Android performs better than Sailfish, would the Sony open implementation be easy to reuse in Sailfish?

Sthocs ( 2017-10-18 10:06:38 +0300 )edit

That is a very bad news... :(

damourti ( 2017-10-19 01:01:59 +0300 )edit
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At least in my unit, there seems to be a consistent blurring at the left hand side of the image, when the subject is being focused at the center. Here I post the original images, both day, night and indoor shots, for your analysis.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AuACJ70IjZKtnJhGBI4PiqsXaH2J4Q

amandalam ( 2017-10-29 08:58:04 +0300 )edit
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