Praising Jolla/Sailfish

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Praising Jolla/Sailfish

asked 2017-11-04 08:59:54 +0300

lumen

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updated 2017-11-06 15:40:34 +0300

jiit

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Hello Jolla, hello Sailfish fans!

First of all... sorry about this post, it is in no way question, bug report nor feature request. I'm always nagging here about Sailfish and why Jolla doesn't do this and doesn't do that.

Sometimes we'd need to give positive feedback too, I guess :-)

Because there are qualities in Sailfish that just smashes the competition! My absolute favorite of all times - is that when you tap on some text on Sailfish you get the cursor (is it cursor in English? - I mean the place where you'd next type text) EXACTLY where you want! You can pin point it anywhere in the text and it lands just where you want. I mean... this is just fantastic. Iphone sucks big time with this. Their cursor lands randomly where ever and to compensate it they need to have magnification glass (tap and hold) to correct the problem. I just hate it (and my employer forces us to use Iphones, which is pretty dull). I can't remember now (from Xperia X's days of android - now flashed ;-) if it's the same shite with Android, but atleast not as good as in Sailfish.

And the swiping system of Sailfish OS is just brilliant.

So... Let us know what qualities you like in Sailfish and show your love to the system :-)

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Suppose - just suppose - the cursor doesn't land "EXACTLY where you want!". Maybe the user is not as young as you are, or they are bouncing about in a car (as a passenger, of course). How can you move it?

The iOS magnifying glass that you so dislike is actually a neat piece of UI. (On Android I use the the cursor keys on the Hacker Keyboard so I'm not sure what it provides.)

DaveRo ( 2017-11-04 09:27:56 +0300 )edit

Of course there are different scenarios to use a phone - suppose you are in entertainment park's roller coaster or in a moon rocket lifting off? I mean... this is very subjective of course to a multitude of variants. Well, it's just me, but for me SFOS cursor is way superb o other phone OS. I'm 39 and doesn't have the smallest fingers I'd assume.

lumen ( 2017-11-04 09:37:06 +0300 )edit

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@DaveRo: In case you need it, there's this magnifying feature in SFOS, too. So no need to envy iOS users. ;)

ossi1967 ( 2017-11-04 10:01:32 +0300 )edit

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Well, the irony is that it's exactly the cursor I despair of, at least here within the browser. ;)

lakutalo ( 2017-11-04 10:01:38 +0300 )edit

"in entertainment park's roller coaster or in a moon rocket lifting off..." Hmmm.

Your point - that tapping does seem pretty accurate - is a good one. But I assume that this is hardware-related rather than the OS. On my Nokia N810 I used to have to calibrate the screen - but I haven't seen that for years. My Nexus 9 is also very accurate when tapping. My wife's iPad much less so - but it's very old.

As for the Jolla GUI - I'd say it's a curate's egg. Personally I'd like an to get rid of pulley menus - at least as an option. Try selecting one if several pulley options in a roller-coaster ;)

DaveRo ( 2017-11-04 10:09:35 +0300 )edit

Suppose - just suppose - the cursor doesn't land "EXACTLY where you want!". Maybe the user is not as young as you are, or they are bouncing about in a car (as a passenger, of course). How can you move it?
The iOS magnifying glass that you so dislike is actually a neat piece of UI. (On Android I use the the cursor keys on the Hacker Keyboard so I'm not sure what it provides.)
DaveRo ( 2017-11-04 09:27:56 +0300 )edit
Of course there are different scenarios to use a phone - suppose you are in entertainment park's roller coaster or in a moon rocket lifting off? I mean... this is very subjective of course to a multitude of variants. Well, it's just me, but for me SFOS cursor is way superb o other phone OS. I'm 39 and doesn't have the smallest fingers I'd assume.
lumen ( 2017-11-04 09:37:06 +0300 )edit
@DaveRo: In case you need it, there's this magnifying feature in SFOS, too. So no need to envy iOS users. ;)
ossi1967 ( 2017-11-04 10:01:32 +0300 )edit
Well, the irony is that it's exactly the cursor I despair of, at least here within the browser. ;)
lakutalo ( 2017-11-04 10:01:38 +0300 )edit
"in entertainment park's roller coaster or in a moon rocket lifting off..." Hmmm.
Your point - that tapping does seem pretty accurate - is a good one. But I assume that this is hardware-related rather than the OS. On my Nokia N810 I used to have to calibrate the screen - but I haven't seen that for years. My Nexus 9 is also very accurate when tapping. My wife's iPad much less so - but it's very old.
As for the Jolla GUI - I'd say it's a curate's egg. Personally I'd like an to get rid of pulley menus - at least as an option. Try selecting one if several pulley options in a roller-coaster ;)
DaveRo ( 2017-11-04 10:09:35 +0300 )edit

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answered 2018-11-01 10:45:37 +0300

lumen

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This one day I was getting myself familiarized to how Windows 10 would work with touch gestures. My first thought was: "Man, Microsoft REALLY needs help from Jolla to design UI gestures!!!" Now I know even better how much I like the Sailfish OS fluid UI!!! :D

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(although I'm comparing apples to oranges... but anyway...)

lumen ( 2018-11-01 10:46:44 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-11-12 16:13:03 +0300

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Is it necessary to advise us say, on the calendar app to swipe left/right to change month each time it is opened after a reboot, after you've seen it once, you don't need to be reminded of it time and again.(Other apps have a similar advice "pop-up") . The top of my wishlist however, is a homescreen. One that opens on boot with everything that you regularly need on it, as oppose to the lock screen. I fail to see the advantage or point of the lock screen or am I missing something. The phone could boot straight into an unlock code/pin screen, if you have one set, or directly into the homescreen itself, with a pulley menu for homescreen settings, and to assign it a unique gesture such that you can return to it wherever you are. (On my Blackberry there is a productivity tab that is available whatever you are doing, whose role is similar to the lock screen pulley menu i.e. a few shortcuts ,could something similar be adapted such that you can go back to the homescreen instead?) As an aside has anybody else noticed how slow the proximity sensor is to restore the screen once away from your ear. Using my banking phone app can be a pain I hope with the above I haven't come across negatively, because I want Sailfish to succeed,( I have three of them) . Cheers

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in MCEtools you can do away the lockscreen.

danfin ( 2017-11-12 20:01:28 +0300 )edit

No hard feelings @rogger888. One can only succeed by listening to critics.

lakutalo ( 2017-11-12 20:17:23 +0300 )edit

@rogger888: There is intentional hysteresis in proximity uncover, you can make it respond faster at the expense of making it more likely to unblank while at ear.

mcetool --set-incall-ps-uncover-delay=N

Where N is delay in milliseconds. Default is 500 ms.

Note that powering up display takes some time too. In some devices under some circumstances it might take much longer than waiting for clarity on p-sensor state.

spiiroin ( 2018-11-01 11:06:43 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-11-12 13:01:43 +0300

deloptes

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UI is result of implementing Qt5, which is indeed very nice. Thanks Jolla!

However overall functionality is degrading and renders Sailfish X unusable for daily use.

with AquaFish I lost SYNCML
with Sailfish X I lost HFT (thanks bluez5)
looking into the logs BT is a mess
Kernel v3 - I would expect something like early 4 - but who knows what driver support looks like - anyway - too many oops
Developers focus on things in my opinion not that important - so loosing core users

To sum up God bless my Nokia N9 and give it ability to work as it does now until 1 and 2 at least are solved.

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answered 2017-11-07 19:07:41 +0300

chappi

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For me one of the most appreciated quality is the relatively frugal user interface. I liked ui1 a little bit better but still ui2 is very good. I am very grateful that there is this Jolla company, wouldn't want to use a google-android or iPhone. Thanks a lot!

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answered 2017-11-04 18:21:10 +0300

lakutalo

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On-board SDK

Import and compile C++ Linux packages on the phone. All you need is an internet connection.

Write your own bash scripts or Python apps using nano in the terminal on the phone. Syntax highlighting included, of course.

You cannot get geekier than that! :)

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Using vi would be slightly geekier, imho.... ;)

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 19:23:55 +0300 )edit

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But only slightly. I did this on purpose so that you can top it. :D

lakutalo ( 2017-11-04 19:31:48 +0300 )edit

Old habits die hard...

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 19:46:56 +0300 )edit

Just stumbled upon one geeky moment of mine. Easily manage content on your device: https://together.jolla.com/question/83898/app-requestorganizing-the-photos-in-subfolders-by-month/?answer=83987#post-id-83987 I did that in Terminal - just like that. :D

lakutalo ( 2017-11-13 00:09:04 +0300 )edit

...at least somewhat Related
https://together.jolla.com/question/167763/native-zoomable-timeline/?answer=173430#post-id-173430

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-13 00:21:06 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-11-04 13:49:27 +0300

lakutalo

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Updates and Patches

Which of your other phones still get patches and updates after four years? - still working almost like a new one. :)

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The Jolla 1 is faster and more capable than when I bought it. Yes, It is simply amazing.

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 19:27:46 +0300 )edit

... and one charge still lasts up to 9d.

lakutalo ( 2017-11-04 19:34:33 +0300 )edit

@lakutalo unfortunately fixes are for Jolla Hardware, Turing Phones, Aquafish phone received quite a but less love, hardware bug fixes, than their Jolla counterparts.

XFish ( 2017-11-07 23:18:31 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-11-04 13:12:09 +0300

inta
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I love the integrated messaging. I only want one app for chat communication and Sailfish OS at least provides it for SMS and XMPP (though the XMPP part could get some more love). Imagine how great it would be if you could get integrated Matrix, Tox, Wire, Threema, Whatsapp and whatever there is into your messages app. As bonus a phone call is just a swipe away.

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Yes, XMPP could get some more love. ...a lot more love.

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 19:30:24 +0300 )edit

But then Jolla would turn into Loveboat.

lakutalo ( 2017-11-04 19:54:04 +0300 )edit

......nah.

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 20:09:31 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-11-04 12:51:40 +0300

Kao

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I belive the Sailfish UI is what iOS always tried to be. Just look at their new iPhone X ("the future"), which finally starts to embrace gesture navigation... And Sailfish had all this and more for how long exactly? Apple should just go and license it from Jolla :-)

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Apple's iOS still lacks multitasking. Beautiful task switching, yes, but no multitasking.

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 19:35:08 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-11-04 12:28:11 +0300

micha77
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The design language is great, as well as the intuitive use of the os by wiping.

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answered 2017-11-04 10:04:36 +0300

lakutalo

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updated 2017-11-04 13:14:40 +0300

Developer Mode

No uber-geeky jail-breaking needed just for root access and ssh.

:D

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It is quite amusing to see the warning when starting the Sailfish X. Now the phone is truly mine.

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-04 19:44:14 +0300 )edit

@vattuvarg Even though this is a security flaw, now anybody who have your phone can extract all information easily using another computer (nevermind, this was the case with all my other phones with cyanogenmod). I just want to say, you have to sell your soul to google or apple, otherwise there is no opportunity to "feel" secure.

But yes, I love to have a little Linux computer with ssh and root-permissions \o/.

Hangman ( 2017-11-05 12:44:20 +0300 )edit

The cost of security is eternal vigilance.

If the service is free then you might be the product.

vattuvarg ( 2017-11-05 13:07:07 +0300 )edit

true that! i LOVE the instant and on Demand Jailbreak function in Jolla, "devel-su" etc, its because unlike Google or Apple Jolla doesnt assume their users are stupid.

XFish ( 2017-11-07 23:20:41 +0300 )edit

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