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Have you seen questions or tags very close to each other, but not quite duplicates? In this wiki we sort these out together. Add an answer to start a new discussion.

1. Sorting of closely related questions (why is this important?)

(link new answer here) To your answer, please include a numbered list of related questions as url links
several Facebook API change related questions
related discussions: TOH developer kit, custom ambiences, Store connection
N9 glance screen related questions
Ambience color related questions
GPS related questions
MicroSD / exFAT related questions

2. To achieve a meaningful, clear, intuitive and shared notion of set of tags

3. Already cleaned (links to discussions):

(move links from above here) After everything decided in the discussion is done, report the result here.
list-of-contacts contact --> contacts
toh --> theotherhalf
feature --> feature-request
ambiance ambince --> ambience
synchronisation --> sync
store jollastore appstore --> jolla-store,yandex-store etc.
lockscreen --> lock-screen
4g lte --> 4g-lte
calender calendars --> calendar
ui gui ux --> left untouched
android alien-dalvik --> left untouched
sdcard microsd and similar tags

4. Code-of-conduct! Before merging duplicates / changing existing tags:

Suggestions (formatted as "Answer") should be listed here for at least 2 working days to see what comments they get.
Thereafter, answers should be revised according to the result of the comments, for example, making it clear that a certain set of tags should not be merged and stating the reason.
Wait another working day before you start editing tags and check what the discussion is. If previously there has been a lot of different ideas and comments, you may even ask that a moderator gives the go-ahead.
Report all retagging with a comment, so that moderators can cleanup the back-end (otherwise unused tags are shown in the list of choises when tagging a question)

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@jgr I edited that part to be not so normative: "If you run into a question that can't actually be answered at all, or is a simple How-to or Poll / Survey consider commenting that to the writer and/or convert the question to a wiki (edit -> mark with "community wiki")"

Is it better now?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-20 12:38:03 +0300 )edit

I propose to introduce the concept of sticky topics centralizing news / main ideas and so on. A meta-topic could be created to gather sitcky topics title. Yesterday, I was suggested to use tags, but it's not efficient. I think sticky topics could be good to reduce the number of "duplicate topics".

TNZ ( 2014-01-21 10:44:09 +0300 )edit

@TNZ Who selects sticky topics, and by what criteria? And where are they shown?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 11:01:12 +0300 )edit

@jjaone : The main idea is to have a cleaner area. I think that guys who spend a lot of time here are the best (like admins & moderators) to manage sticky topics and the meta-topic.

Maybe, a specific site section giving news about activity here could help instead of maintening sticky-topics.

TNZ ( 2014-01-21 11:12:20 +0300 )edit

@TNZ A Dashboard giving a quick overview of what is happening in here, hot topis, latest questions, answer, comments, whos on line, top 10 roadmapped and / or closed questions, etc etc..with selectable sticky topics, news, howtos, guides + a link section to related Jolla & developnent spesific sites like Care, Store, blogs and community portals..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 11:28:01 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-23 10:11:47 +0300

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I try to minimize my new posts here but every ones in a while there's need to ask/tell something which might not be important/interesting to all other users.

When improving this forum, I guess we need to a place for random/short questions/stuff. Like this:

I couldn't find any info on the "roadmap" tag. Could someone point me to the right direction or tell me what it's all about? (I just recently learnt about it, though been using this forum quite frequently since dec. -> what I do know is that "roadmap" tells the feature is in the works by Jolla)

OR THIS:

Even in beta mode I love this phone! AND CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT UPDATE!!!!!!

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You can read more about the most used tags and also about the roadmaptag in here: https://together.jolla.com/question/8466/together-howto-tags/?answer=8468#post-id-8468

Quote from that Answer: "The most important reserved tags are: update Reserved only for release notes issued when a new software update is available. roadmap Reserved only to tag items that are committed to be delivered in a future update."

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 10:56:43 +0300 )edit

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Also, there are other places where ppl interested in Jolla have been communcating a long time before this forum, e.g. the Twitter-community has been very active and many comments, questions, and guidance has been cricling around there too, and still is ;) Just check it out here: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 11:02:08 +0300 )edit

Thank you jjaone!

t0mps0 ( 2014-01-23 11:06:18 +0300 )edit

You are welcome, @t0mps0 ! Also there is some more here: https://together.jolla.com/question/9368/jolla-portal/ and in the main Jolla web-page you also find most of those links, ..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 11:24:28 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-23 00:42:53 +0300

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For media-player and media there are several overlapping tags

mediaplayer (41)
media-player (1)
music-player (18)
music (24)
video (39)
media (32)
mediafiles (1)
playback (5)

The native application for playing music is Media, while videos are opened from the Gallery. The player tags could probably be merged into one tag, media-player (with hyphen).

Most discussions tagged with music or video talks about media in general and maybe those tags are redundant there. Should a discussion about different media files on disk be tagged "media", "media, files" (two tags) or "media-files"?

Then there's playback, mostly about the media-player's capability to play some file type. Should that be moved into a combination of the player tag and the media tag?

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My 2 cents:

"video" should remain a tag of its own.
"music" may probably better be converted to "audio"
"mediafiles": I do not see the reason, that this is required as tag of its own, not even for the one question where it is being used.
"playback" is probably a sensible tag on its own (best in combination with "video" and/or "audio" as 2nd tag)
All the "...player" tags should be merged (my favorite would also be "media-player").

jgr ( 2014-01-23 02:46:35 +0300 )edit

Relevant to this issue, there's also this question: https://together.jolla.com/question/17550/media-player-should-be-renamed/

simo ( 2014-01-23 22:02:27 +0300 )edit

Much easier to tag medias wirh video, audio, image, music (being a type of audio) and all of them.with 'media' and playback 'player'. E.g if you refer to music library features use tags 'music' 'player' and maybe 'media', and other media-types accordingly .

foss4ever ( 2014-01-28 00:22:06 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 20:33:03 +0300

simo

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updated 2014-01-22 20:35:02 +0300

audio (39)
sound (18)
sounds (8)
tones (6) <-- none of these posts are about ringtone, which seems to be well working tag
hd-voice (1) <-- post about amr-wb codec
voice (3) <-- used in a meanings of voice commanding and talked notes
noise (1) <-- used with a tag audio, meaning disturbing sound
talk (0) <-- not in use, but visible as a suggested tag

Any suggestions for these?

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My 2 cents:

"sound" and "sounds" should be merged.
"audio", "voice" and "sound" should remain all three, however retagging of specific questions may be sensible.
"tones" seems to be used synonymous to "sound"
"hd-voice": What do the specialist say? Mergable with "voice" or required because indicating a special concept?
"noise" should be used for sound which is not up to the quality expected or which should not be there (connoted negatively). Retagging of specific questions might be required.

jgr ( 2014-01-23 02:58:42 +0300 )edit

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@jgr has many good points here. I support this.

TimTTK ( 2014-01-23 11:20:06 +0300 )edit

Are "sound" and "sounds" really the same? I regard "sound" as the phone's ability to produce sound, while "sounds" is more about what type of sound is used. That being said, there are several posts were "sounds" is used, inaccurate imo, together with "volume" to indicate no output. These could probably be moved to "sound".

Mohjive ( 2014-01-23 11:45:42 +0300 )edit

@Mohijive: As far as I see, "sounds" is used either as simple plural of "sound" and in the sense of (1 sound out of) a set of sounds (notification tones). However, it will be difficult to convince people to use "notification-tones" instead of "sounds" to avoid mixing up of "sound" and "sounds".

jgr ( 2014-01-23 12:13:35 +0300 )edit

@jgr: "sounds" in the plural form should be converted to just "sound" imo, that's what I was trying to write last in my previous comment. And using a completely different tag, as you suggest, for the other sense would be better.

Mohjive ( 2014-01-24 00:06:23 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 20:14:05 +0300

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updated 2014-01-28 11:17:48 +0300

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Edit: CLEANED

Just a small one, but these might be used more often soon:

4g(3)
lte (3)

Different expressions are used in different countries, "lte" beeing the official, but both are understandable. How about changing both as 4g-lte?

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4g-lte works fine I think.

TimTTK ( 2014-01-22 20:16:36 +0300 )edit

Are you sure that normal users would know 4g is not ok? Most don't even know about 3g, they just speak abt mobile-data connection as opposed to WLAN-connection. Thus 4g-lte won't probably mean anything but to few. So I'd vote for no don't change them, but sure use 4g-lte in Questions if you want to be exact etc.

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 22:20:35 +0300 )edit

the use of abbreviations is indeed tricky one. Its always so dependant on the context of subject in hand...

TimTTK ( 2014-01-23 22:57:23 +0300 )edit

@TinTTK correct, and the poster's background, and the type of query, and even the indented 'audience' i.e. to whom it's is written..So in some cases it's best just consider fixing tags only when self familiar with the issue at hand, or self involved in those threads..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 23:21:39 +0300 )edit

lte is the official name for the technology, yes. But as far as I know here in Sweden all marketing is about 4g, so that's what people tend to know/understand. My non-technical friends wouldn't know lte, but they would know/guess 4g, so I guess it depends on culture as well.

Mohjive ( 2014-01-23 23:47:42 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 18:30:46 +0300

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I've found sailfish and sailfishos. I suggest replacing them with sailfish-os.

There is also sailfish-port, which perhaps should be simply renamed porting.

What do you think?

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sailfish usually means SailfishOS, but porting is just a reference to making something to run on some other environment (hw/sw plarform)

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 18:43:07 +0300 )edit

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You're right, for example I would tag android + porting.

IZ1IVA ( 2014-01-22 18:47:06 +0300 )edit

yep just like that ;)

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 18:55:10 +0300 )edit

Because in tags, spaces should be replaced by dashes: "sailfish-os"

jgr ( 2014-01-23 03:06:09 +0300 )edit

@jgr No, references to native platform should be tagged as 'sailfishos'.

foss4ever ( 2014-01-25 11:16:06 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 13:19:55 +0300

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updated 2014-02-01 12:10:19 +0300

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About picking/adjusting UI (Ambience) colors, there are plenty open questions/threads. If those could be merged somehow...? :)

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I see only three here :) Could you make a numbered list, sorted by question number, for easier commenting.

simo ( 2014-01-31 04:55:16 +0300 )edit

Sorry, you see three what? o.O

CsTom ( 2014-01-31 13:11:36 +0300 )edit

Three subjects above, meaning that some questions might (IMO) be merged (content moved to those).

simo ( 2014-01-31 14:20:20 +0300 )edit

Merging questions is not upported by askbot and even if topics are similar the idea here is that one question addresses unique problem or request, and if not then they should be marked as duplicates and closed (leaving the first/most descriptive/more voted one alive).

foss4ever ( 2014-02-01 14:43:57 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 11:24:00 +0300

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updated 2014-01-28 11:02:56 +0300

eric

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An easy one: lockscreen and lock-screen.

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I'd favour lock-screen, but I'd like to hear from English native speakers...

IZ1IVA ( 2014-01-22 12:03:55 +0300 )edit

https://together.jolla.com/question/5465/how-to-naming-jolla-ui-screens-gestures-and-components/#post-id-17401: "lock screen" (with space), i.e. for a tag with dash: "lock-screen".

jgr ( 2014-01-23 03:03:55 +0300 )edit

Lock screen as 'lock-screen', Home screen as 'home-screen', Launcher screen as.'launcher-screen' etc. What's there to discuss abt still?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-28 00:26:57 +0300 )edit

I am sure a native speaker would agree with lock-screen instead of lockscreen. Besides there only two questions tagged with lockscreen and 47 with lock-screen. In other words, I have retagged those two. Oh... seems somebody beat me to it. The lockscreen tag can be removed from the backend.

avdwoude ( 2014-01-28 09:14:14 +0300 )edit

@avdwoude: Thanks, done.

eric ( 2014-01-28 11:03:32 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 10:33:23 +0300

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And another cleanup that is not trivial I'd say. There are several different tags concerning the alarms of the Jolla. Some refer to alarm-sound, some mean the alarm-clock, some calendar-alarm. But there seems to be no common agreement on that.

alarm (29)
alarm-clock (14)
alarm-setting (3)
alarm-off (3)
alert (9)

What is the difference, if there is. I browsed the questions and am not yet able to tell if they all should refer the same tag - e.g. only alarm or if there is a good reason to differentiate. What do you think?

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I would change them in following manner:

Use only alarm and drop alarm-setting & alarm-off.
Change alarm-clock to clock, Alarm clock is part of Clock-application, after all.

JiiHoo ( 2014-01-22 10:57:14 +0300 )edit

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List continued (damn comment length limitations):

Leave alert as it is, as it may mean e.g. calendar alert which is bit different thing. Perhaps questions with this tag have to be checked, i.e. are they really about alarms or not.

JiiHoo ( 2014-01-22 11:04:25 +0300 )edit

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@JiiHoo Just continue writing when comment length is exceeded. The "...characters left" is just an indicator to help you, but it will not block the comment. I have posted some comments that have more characters than allowed and posted with "-xxx characters left". Maybe this will change in the future, but for now it is working. (This comment also has -73 characters left.)

naytsyrhc ( 2014-01-22 11:09:46 +0300 )edit

+1 for JiiHoo's suggestions.

simo ( 2014-01-31 04:33:55 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 01:54:21 +0300

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updated 2014-01-31 04:22:55 +0300

simo

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outcoming call (0): There is no "outcoming" call, only an outgoing call.

For all "call" related tags, I suggest writing all of them with "call" at the beginning and in singular only, i.e.

not outgoing-call but call-outgoing
not incoming-calls (0) but call-incoming (14)
not emergency-call (0) but call-emergency

(Looking at the numbers, these tags are used, probably just "call" (44) would do for all of them.)

Current back-end (31-Jan-2014)

call × 55
calling × 18
call-incoming × 17
call-list × 5
call-ending × 2
emergency-call × 1
call-timer × 1
call-waiting × 1

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Just interested: On how many of these a tag phone has been used together with callrelated tags?

simo ( 2014-01-22 02:57:08 +0300 )edit

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Why reverse the natural ordet?.Much better and more easy to use if they are outgoing-call, incoming-call and emergency-call. No need to introduce technical jargon to tags on purpose, and IMI the tags search and conpletion work fine irrespective of where in the string the matching part is.

foss4ever ( 2014-01-28 00:33:15 +0300 )edit

@jjaone: Was a suggestion, because in the list of tags (on page "ALL" to the right) it would sort better. But since it is not supported with the other tags (e.g. shop), it should not be done here.

jgr ( 2014-01-28 11:09:30 +0300 )edit

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I'd also stick with the natural order, and keep all three jgr mentioned. I also added all the call- tags (currently in the back-end) to the answer.

simo ( 2014-01-31 04:21:05 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 01:53:08 +0300

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To clarify my view on suggestions by some here that UX, UI, and GUI tags should be merged. My answer is no they can't and they should not, cause UX (user experience), UI (user interface), GUI (graphical UI), all are different and mean different things when talking abt user facing layer of sw/hw architrctures or stacks. These should not be merged together, but questions could be reviewed to see if they have been used properly.

Further, in more general notion, all these tag-related mass-cleanings and 'mergers' should not be done automatically just based on that the tags look similar enough. There really could be a very good reason why the poster has selected just a particular tag, and not some other tag that seem to be the same). Then again if some re-tags are not correct they are easy to be changed back by anyone.

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@simo I edited that @jgr's orginal Answer (with definitions and stuff), and no this is not a duplicate of that, this gives explanation why UI, UX, GUI should not be merged. I never got any PM from you,

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 03:50:37 +0300 )edit

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@simo, @jaone: I suggest:

jjaone puts this answer as comment underneath the original ui/ux/gui answer
most of the trhead below the original answer is deleted, leaving only what is really necessary (maybe one post by simo, none of mine, the answer above by jjaone as comment)
Delete above answer including the associated comments

jgr ( 2014-01-22 03:56:04 +0300 )edit

@jgr Thanks for reply, you don't have the delete anything, I removed some of my OT comments, edited your Q with defs, posted my own Answer that those tags should not be merged, and I will keep it there cause it is important that there is a reason why it is not a good idea. Some PM currently on-going with "simo" but it's sleeping time here too, so Gnite to you, sweet dreams, I'l join soonish..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 04:32:41 +0300 )edit

@jjaone Thanks for joining PM, we're getting issues solved. I'll remove more of my comments also, but tomorrow. Good night everyone :)

simo ( 2014-01-22 05:40:36 +0300 )edit

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