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Google invests into KaiOS - what future for Sailfish in featurephone segment?

asked 2018-06-29 13:58:47 +0300

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updated 2018-07-02 10:26:36 +0300

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Google has invested in 22mio $ into KaiOS used in Nokia 8110 4G.

I was hoping for having some kind of relationship between HMD and Jolla about using Sailfish at the top of feature phone segment of HMD's portfolio. But it gets unlikely now, right?

Other big player is RJio in 4G feature phone segment but they use KaiOS as well... :(

What do you think?

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Short answer/comment: not relevant to this community and should closed as such.

Spam Hunter ( 2018-06-29 14:31:45 +0300 )edit

@Edz: you mean speculating about the biggest competitor of Jolla (Google) is investing into the biggest competitor feature phones OS (KaiOS) of Sailfish is not relevant in this forum?

Sorry to say but what the heck!?

Especially after seeing feature phone oriented SailfishOS demoed on device that exactly looks like a 3310 of HMD?

Parnering with HMD in feature phone segment could easily be bread&butter for Jolla - thus securing future of SailfishOS as such.

But after seeing this news it is in instant danger...

zlutor ( 2018-06-29 14:39:45 +0300 )edit

whatever your thoughts, you finished your question with, "what do you think?", I wrote what I thought. For now, my comment stands, whether you want to be all 'fan-boy' about it or not is up to you and each to his or her own. Your question is not relevant, it does not offer anything that solves any problems, neither does it present a problem that requires solving, it is a question with no realistic outcome and as a result is argumentative(?), subjective and yes, also not relevant in the scheme of things. Jolla have demoed a few things over time and we still haven't seen them, so to use prototypes or artists renderings of something not yet in existence does not reinforce your non-question. This forum is not meant for prolonged/idle discussion, refer to the general guidelines; https://together.jolla.com/faq/ - clipping from the FAQ;

What kinds of questions should be avoided?
Please avoid asking questions that are not relevant to this community, too subjective and argumentative.

What should I avoid in my answers?
together.jolla.com is a question and answer site - it is not a discussion group. Please avoid holding 
debates in your answers as they tend to dilute the essense of questions and answers. For the brief 
discussions please use commenting facility

A friendly suggestion, whether you see it this way or not, would be to start a thread on talk.maemo.org or not. I'm only saying what I think and feel, basically engaging you against what I've stated about, about this not being the place for general discussions on seemingly non-relevant questions.

Let the flood gates of despair open!!

p.s. I'm also quite happy to eat humble pie should many others find me guilty of saying what I think, rightly or wrongly.

Spam Hunter ( 2018-06-29 14:52:54 +0300 )edit

@Edz: from this aspect, I have to admi it is not relevant... ;)

on the other hand it is really sad there is no any real, specific forum for discussing about such topics. especially one where we can see Jolla people involved...

zlutor ( 2018-06-29 15:34:49 +0300 )edit

I appreciate your candour.

Arguably, ultimate business decisions at the core, is simply not our concern, but of course there is nothing wrong with wishful thinking.

I agree regarding how sad it seems, but we have rarely ever had any input from heads at jolla, only comments/corrections/answers from admin or moderators....I'm pretty certain that Tomi Pienimäki, Antti Saarnio, Jussi Hurmola, Sami Pienimaki have ever made an appearance here on TJC and why would they.

I'm interested to see what other comments get left here regarding your original question and my response, if any.

Spam Hunter ( 2018-06-29 16:18:14 +0300 )edit

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answered 2018-06-30 17:22:18 +0300

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well they sold their independence, thats what happened.

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HMD (and the Nokia phone brand) is now controlled by Google.

vattuvarg ( 2018-06-30 20:35:14 +0300 )edit

This is why open source services are so important for a mobile OS.

It makes me happy to see WhoGo maps running on Sailfish OS with data from OpenStreetMap. ...and it is so nice that the development comes from the community. KaiOS didn't have that option, but Sailfish OS has.

vattuvarg ( 2018-06-30 21:01:10 +0300 )edit

I think Sailfish would be great alternative. from technical point of view, no question - just Jolla should somehow break through on business side.

Russia is good thing but somethibg globally available device would be THE thing...

or they should achieve somehow that Sailfish can be uploaded onto Nokia devices. I love that pieces of hw (6.1, 7+) but nono Android...

zlutor ( 2018-06-30 21:08:19 +0300 )edit

@zlutor - Locking up KaiOS inside the Google oubliette is directed at HMD. No open alternatives allowed when dealing with Google. ...all big manufacturers know that and still look for alternatives, which is good for Sailfish OS.

vattuvarg ( 2018-06-30 21:29:31 +0300 )edit

recent fuzz around ZTE should boost those actvities. all could see what existential threath it means when they are exclusively depend on US tech. or having no alternative in general...

Huawei devices with SFOS - what a dilema it would be for me... ;)

zlutor ( 2018-06-30 21:34:40 +0300 )edit

answered 2018-06-30 12:03:32 +0300

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updated 2018-06-30 12:08:39 +0300

You can read about feature phones anouncment in Sailfish 3 news or Press news or blog.

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One interesting feature of Sailfish OS 3 is VoLTE. ...especially when talking feature phones and low-powered smartphones.

vattuvarg ( 2018-06-30 20:40:51 +0300 )edit

yes, VoLTE should have been focus much earlier. that would/could made AquaFish phones big hit in India. at least, lack of it prevented it to happen...

e.g. RJio has 100+ mio subscriber on VoLTE only network. look back how Indian people were begging for it back then...

KaiOS supports it - at least that powers RJio's own featurephones. First 4G featurephones btw...

zlutor ( 2018-06-30 20:53:52 +0300 )edit

I look forward to seeing the comments from owners of Intex Aqua Fish phones when they finally get VoLTE with Sailfish OS 3.

vattuvarg ( 2018-06-30 21:03:21 +0300 )edit

if any has left... :( I'm afraid they have almost all have gone to Android...

zlutor ( 2018-06-30 21:09:32 +0300 )edit

tbh I don't need the VoLTE, HD Voice (Wideband audio) would be enough which can be handled right now.

lolek ( 2018-07-01 00:45:58 +0300 )edit
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