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What android version will the sailfish 3 have

asked 2018-08-15 23:08:06 +0300

wisdomlight gravatar image

I repeatedly come back to my Jolla One Only to realize that some basic apps I use daily are not supported by my device.... What kind of Android will the sailfish 3 have?

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keep in mind useful sites like apkmirror, which host old versions of many apps. May not solve your specific issues, but I've found some nice working apps my searching apkmirror for api16, when I thought I wasn't going to be able to use something .

Levone1 ( 2018-08-16 00:52:55 +0300 )edit

The moment youll update your app, it will complain about the minimum required sys version for android.

tortoisedoc ( 2018-08-16 08:19:04 +0300 )edit

In my opinion, services like apkmirror that offer "free" apks and especially when the source isn't any official author, aren't very safe places in a long-term. It's so common nowadays that fake apps are made and apks can include a virus. Yet still, I'm only saying that be extra cautious with those sites and apks you're downloading

Sakke ( 2018-08-16 14:29:05 +0300 )edit

I don't know much technically, but I'm pretty sure apkmirror is pretty legit/trusted, and they only archive official apk releases, and never offer anything paid for free. It is true, though, that there are some sketchy sites out there that will attempt to phish or infect you by luring you with free apks.

Levone1 ( 2018-08-16 16:52:42 +0300 )edit

Use Yalp, it takes the original apk from the Gstore. Better then all the weird apk initiatives...

BonoNL ( 2018-08-18 15:04:22 +0300 )edit

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answered 2018-10-03 21:39:24 +0300

ossi1967 gravatar image

From the Jolla blog by Juhani@Jolla:

Sailfish X for XA2 will come first with Android 8.1 compatibility. There are some device specifics in the Android runtime implementation, which restricts our ability to bring same runtime to other devices.

(Emphasis added by me.)

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That's good and bad news. Good that they are able to upgrade SF X to an up-to-date Android layer, bad because I smell that the Xperia X will not get it...

Spark ( 2018-10-04 01:28:33 +0300 )edit

Will Xperia X at least get updated beyond 4.4?

GD ( 2018-10-04 06:39:52 +0300 )edit

Sami says they are working on it, so hopefully the Xperia X will benefit from an updated Android implementation as well. Here is the question and his answer from the Sailfish 3 day live stream:


sunburnedpenguin ( 2018-11-11 13:24:30 +0300 )edit

It is clear that XA2 will receive Sailfish X 3 with Android 8.1 API 27, but for X the answer is more evasive. From the slide presented in the video, Sailfish X relies on the Linux kernel provided by Sony Open Device program. On the Sony Open Device program (https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices/get-started/supported-devices-and-functionality/) Xperia X started with Kernel 3.1 Android 4.4-4.4.4) but it is upgradable to Kernel used in Android 8.1. So there is a chance to get it also on Sailfish X it is does not cost too much effort. It will mean to upgrade the Kernel of Sailfish X, this is may be the difficult part: get an easy procedure for that...

ron282 ( 2018-11-29 23:26:46 +0300 )edit

It is obscene that an update to the Android SDK was not immediately included for Sailfish X devices at the time of the Sailfish 3 release. For us to wait even longer, and no guarantees that this will be done (a very evasive answer in the presentation by Sammi) is just insulting.

jimjamz ( 2018-12-11 21:17:58 +0300 )edit

answered 2018-08-17 11:29:39 +0300

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Might be just a guess, but Android phones do not get too much updates after some time, resulting in having a lot of customers buy a more up-to-date device. It had been mentioned that a certain Android version is dependant on the phone's CPU which means unless the phone doesn't get its main chip replaced by a newer one, there is absolutely no sense in updating the Android version to a higher one. This might be part of Google's economical concept which has a completely different approach than Jolla (at least as far as I suppose). While the giants use mass floods of material and applications (which are more or less useful), Jolla seems to aim for longevity and more commercial spam control. Just my impression ^^

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answered 2018-08-16 00:32:53 +0300

emva gravatar image

We don't know, the text from https://jolla.com/sailfish3/

"Android support version upgrade" is a bit lacking.

but jolla 1 has 4.1.2, Sailfish on Sony Xperia X has 4.4.4

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An upgrade to Android 5.0 (Lollipop) would be enough for most cases.

vattuvarg ( 2018-11-11 14:24:36 +0300 )edit

They should use Anbox instead, which comes with Android 7, is open source compared to Alien Dalvik and more secure by using LXC (which would prevent Android spywares accessing SailfishOS data): https://together.jolla.com/question/107023/running-android-in-lxc-container/https://together.jolla.com/question/162876/anbox-on-sailfish-os/

baptx ( 2019-10-14 16:14:59 +0300 )edit

answered 2018-08-17 18:16:27 +0300

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updated 2018-10-04 05:54:07 +0300

My opinion is: If you can't live without Android apps - buy an Android Phone. I don't understand, why someone should buy an SailfishOS Phone and afterwards cry, that the Anroid Version emulated by alien dalvik is too old.

What SailfishOS really need is: Native apps. So we can get rid of the virus android.

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and until Sailfish has an ecosystem with as many apps ad iOS or Android, nobody is going to rush to it (except a few "true believers!(tm)".

So no company will ever seriously consider pouring resources ibto developing native apps.

See: Windows Mobile, Ubuntu Touch, or any other OS that wasn't compatible with a major app ecosystem, or did bet on the wrong ecosystem (like Palm webOS).

Basically you have a chicken and egg problem regarding popularity and app ecosystem, and compatibility layers are a way to solve it.

DrYak ( 2018-08-17 22:10:23 +0300 )edit

Also, for some user, Sailfish does fill the need for 90% of the time, except for the few occasions where you do need an app that only exist on other OS (your bank insisting on their specific home grown two-factor auth, all your friends insisting on using a specific messaging network whose maker is agressive against 3rd party clients because all their own friends are there too and they don't see why they would need to install a separate messaging app just to chat with you, etc.)

Basically, lots of people are happy with Sailfish except for the 2-3 situations where they need a non-native app. Compatibility layer helps filling that void until Sailfish becomes popular enough for native apps to appear (if that ever happens).

DrYak ( 2018-08-17 22:17:41 +0300 )edit

I doubt in Jolla's SFOS succeeding not offering the best of both worlds .....

launchpad ( 2018-09-11 02:43:56 +0300 )edit

As an example, I need Threema which is only available as an Android app. Otherwise Sailfish is perfect (well, almost;)

chappi ( 2018-10-04 10:53:57 +0300 )edit

Btw. is there any demand for a native Threema messenger or is everyone happy with the Android version?

I've been able to build myself a (extremely limited) command line runtime but that's still a pain to use on Sailfish.

spag ( 2018-10-05 14:31:39 +0300 )edit

answered 2018-11-28 02:18:07 +0300

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updated 2018-11-28 02:18:40 +0300

So when I got it right the following is fair to say while listening to Sami recently on Sailfish 3 launch date:

  1. Jolla is working on updating the Xperia X Android update - not a myth it is fact.
  2. Enable Sony Xperia XA2 devices - as initially architectured with AOSP 8 in mind - for Android Support 8.1
  3. Once 2 is done Jolla will use that underlying framework and work more diligently to get this backward compatibility to Xperia X - backward compatibility because AlienDalvik would have to be replace and hence architecture wise this is a more deeper change than with XA2.

In a nutshell

Sounds like Jolla is going to bring 8.1 to Xperia X - but because of above steps to be accomplished it will take a while until there.

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Your first point is a bit of half-truth as Sami talked about how Jolla is considering bringing newer Android to the Xperia X, but haven't made any firm decision on that just yet. As for when they'll be making that decision and announcing it, he said that it won't be until after they ship the 8.1 support for the XA2 and can make a more accurate assessment on the amount of work required to do so.

Thus we're right now in a sort of limbo. Most probably newer Android support for the XA2 won't ship until next year and we'll find out about if they're going to be backporting that or at least part of it until after that.

L_A_G ( 2018-12-07 16:25:52 +0300 )edit

"working on" something [Xperia X Android update] maybe a "fact". Completing the proposed implementation is not a fact.

jimjamz ( 2018-12-11 21:23:02 +0300 )edit

Agreed, it is not a fact. The usual challenge of time, ressources and quality given. As ressources are limited and quality somehow too - it does work - time remains the variable and so we have to sit and wait. But given the fact Sami highlighted they are now still supporting a five year old phone - not enabling 8.1 on Xperia X would be the same as dropping the device - and cut the own flesh highlighting past device support...

So I am confident it happens and this link, Q12 at the end indicates so. Android Runtime of Xperia X

Kaiserpinguin ( 2018-12-12 00:05:23 +0300 )edit

A 5-year old device that may be, but a device that has been supported by Jolla for only 13 months, and whats-more, a support that was paid for by each Sailfish X user.

They know they have to do something about it as the Sailfish Xperia X community is probably the current majority of Sailfish users at this moment in time. You are right that, by not completing the SDK update, it would be a symbolic gesture of Jolla dropping support for the Xperia X, and along with it the majority of the Sailfish users, which would be a massive slap in the face. That's the part where those loyal members simply go walkies. It's not about the SDK update specifically, it's about how those users would have been abandoned so suddenly is what stings.

jimjamz ( 2018-12-12 00:48:31 +0300 )edit

answered 2018-11-11 13:22:07 +0300

sunburnedpenguin gravatar image

Sami says they are working on it, so hopefully the Xperia X will benefit from an updated Android implementation as well. Here is the question and his answer from the Sailfish 3 day live stream:


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answered 2018-10-03 21:33:51 +0300

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WHy you all want android? sfos upgrade is not about new android support version... its about new sailfish os featuers!!! go to market and buy android if you dont need sailfish and you dont want to support it!!

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+1000! My words exactly. Change the reality.

addydon ( 2018-10-03 21:36:58 +0300 )edit

Because SFOS versions of some critical apps (like banking and messaging) are missing. SFOS is isolated in term of major instant messagers and banks. Maybe SFOS is designed for people who use only cash and SMS?

kandelabra ( 2018-10-03 23:20:20 +0300 )edit

Why? Because no native browser on SFOS is suitable for private web browsing. Ad-blocking isn't enough. Firefox on Android at least lets me employ the same extensions and settings as I use on the desktop. As a nice bonus, I can use Firefox Sync.

Perhaps SFOS3 can bring up the Gecko engine to at least 60+, so there's a change that add-ons work.

Fuzzillogic ( 2018-10-03 23:30:37 +0300 )edit

Simply because there's one app that is "required" for daily use where I live. The de facto standard digital ID-app is proprietary (don't get me started on this abomination) and is only available on Android (5+) and IOS.

Then there are other proprietary apps made by some companies that are good to have, like Spotify (wonder if they'll ever release an open lib again so I can drop this), Whatsapp (I can't force people I know to switch to Signal if they don't want to) and digital train ticketing.

Then there are other apps that I (or the community) haven't had time, need or energy to port like Trello and an RDP-app.

I want Sailfish because everything else, but I wont hold my breath while waiting for these apps to be available native on Sailfish.

Mohjive ( 2018-10-04 13:13:44 +0300 )edit

Few of us _may_ need Android due to this or that and we fully understand that but there is no need to push for it. And remember it's a chicken and egg problem here. :)

addydon ( 2018-10-04 17:58:45 +0300 )edit
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