Jolla 2nd device HW suggestions. [not relevant]

asked 2014-01-25 12:04:46 +0300

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While it seems really early for something like this its good to start submitting ideas early so that the designers can think about it.

So what features do you want for the next Jolla Phone? Make sure to look through the previous answers and vote accordingly

The first thing i'd like is to make the bezels all around the screen smaller. As small as possible in fact. This will probably make it a one-hand-device for more people. I have normal hands (i think i am in the 50th percentile) and it feels a bit big in the hand.

No need for a bigger screen. 720p would be good but even at qHD it looks really nice.

If possible move the headphone jack on the bottom of the device.

Also i wouldn't mind if it was a bit lighter.

Possibility of screw attached metallic TOH for a more sturdy feel along with easily replaceable plastic ones for people who like to change them easily would be a great addition.

USB type C (the reversible one) is something jolla must consider.

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even at qHD Much as I like my Jolla, I have to disagree. It is pretty clear that the interface was a higher resolution - for example the skinny font used on the launcher pages is often blurry on qHD.

strongm ( 2014-01-25 12:23:36 +0300 )edit

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Also I suspect that the choice of SoC forced on Jolla when ST-Ericsson decided to stop manufacturing or supplying the original choice of SoC is the reason behind the low-end display (the maximum resolution the current SoC supports is qHD). A higher specced SoC should mean we can get a better screen.

strongm ( 2014-01-25 12:24:24 +0300 )edit

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A bezel is needed to hold the phone comfortably and safely in one hand without accidentally touching the screen with some flesh of the hand. A thinner bezel wouldn't turn out good, I suppose. The thinner the bezel the more slippery the phone feels, because you have less place to hold it.

pycage ( 2014-01-25 13:11:20 +0300 )edit

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@pycage

They will of course need to prototype and test a lot in order to get the thin bezel right.

ApB ( 2014-01-25 14:18:18 +0300 )edit

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i would not mind smaller phone. n9 was nice form factor.

mike7b4 ( 2014-01-25 14:58:48 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-25 14:03:12 +0300

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Jolla now has an elegant phone. The next one should simply be smaller.

The look and feel of the current jolla phone works really well for me. I hope to upgrade the First Half some day but right now it's simply not necessary. My eyes are still clear enough for a 4.5" screen and sailfishOS keeps full speed even with moderate processors. And people like the looks of my phone so much they even stop me to say so! I even have hands that are big enough.

The only thing my daughter complains about is the size. She grows quickly but her Nokia 700 still fits her small hands better while being almost as stylish. Her next phone will need to be bigger, though. ...and yet smaller than the current Jolla offering. That is why I hope that the next phone from Jolla will be smaller.

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If they can fit the HW in a ~123x61 frame and keep the screen in 4.5 inches 720p i'd be more than happy.

ApB ( 2014-01-25 14:37:02 +0300 )edit

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The current specs would be enough if crammed behind a ~3.75" screen, even with a greater thickness.

vattuvarg ( 2014-01-25 14:50:45 +0300 )edit

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The size of the Nokia N9 would be perfect. Perfect!

Anna ( 2014-01-26 03:50:32 +0300 )edit

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Yes, the N9 size was perfect - fit my hand (I've got small hands. Yes, I've got used to the Jolla now, but I think it would be possible to make a device with a 4" screen, but the same outer measurements as the N9 (3,9" screen).), but still wasn't too small to actually function.

Seeing that others appreciated the size of the N9, and the response about a continued use of The Other Half, got me thinking, and I submitted a candidate to be a "The Other Half Option 8 Contestant".

That idea should also work for a smaller device, or the "PadPhone" approach could be used, in case of demand for a larger screen.

phle ( 2014-02-05 23:22:53 +0300 )edit

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Smaller device would be excellent. I like my Jolla a lot but it is too big and demands that I move the grip to go from top swipe to bottom swipe. Not very nice.

Only other really necessary change would be rubberised backside as the phone is large and slippery at the moment. Although that might be fixed by simply a smaller device. Benefit of smaller device is also that screen doesn't need to have crazy high resolution.

AxMi-24 ( 2014-02-07 09:11:33 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-25 14:49:56 +0300

This post is a wiki. Anyone with karma >75 is welcome to improve it.

updated 2014-01-25 23:52:35 +0300

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I like the Other Half idea very much in Jolla and IMHO this OH idea could be developed further in next device. As currently seen in various prototypes being developed for Jolla, OH has proven to have a lot of potential to enhance phone usability. However it seems that currently the i2c has some technical limitations and thus makes it harder to develop "more technically advanced" TOH:s. I don't know how it could be "upgraded" later but I think the OH idea should also be used in next Jolla device too.

For example a TOH with similarly performing camera as seen in Nokia Lumia 1020 or even better would be indeed something to see. :)

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I was imagining something along the sides of 3 jolla series one smaller than the current one as today's and one larger.

Having standardised sizes would allow new first and second halves that are compatible with each other and at least to me that sounds very interesting. Especially part where it's smaller jolla and physical qwerty keyboard for the other half or maybe high end sound output other half ;)

AxMi-24 ( 2014-02-08 12:30:58 +0300 )edit

THO-concept is genious! Well, a smaller phone would mean that I cannot uses them anymore for both phones :-( There should be a solution somehow!

Marti Masa K ( 2014-03-23 09:20:32 +0300 )edit

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I would leave more space for the TOH. This way TOH developers will be able to build TOHs that are sophisticated and do not add to the device thickness.

lhorga ( 2014-09-30 04:21:27 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-26 00:50:31 +0300

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too complement idea:

True battery with nano carbon hole with high efficiency life in use everyday 1 week in use, 1 month standby like older Nokia phone ! (I'm not speaking about batterie issue from NFC of TOH at all) and high speed charging.
OLED Screen less power angry (the actual jolla is good but i think is use to much power energy ! In fact, is lighter due to modern battery light and very thin OLED screen less than 100gr still case polycarbon plastic for better antenna reception
robust body protected waterproof/dust
PureView camera available for european phone !

A smartphone without this requirement is not a true smartphone !

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The short active and standby times have always truly been a problem in smartphones. An auto recharging system like solar panel or a super capacity battery would be needed along with proper power management.

TimTTK ( 2014-01-26 01:03:10 +0300 )edit

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Maybe with a screen that can be read without backlighting. With only one processor core. Radical energy saving settings. ...et cetera...

vattuvarg ( 2014-01-26 08:07:42 +0300 )edit

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"robust body protected waterproof/dust" It's very unrealistic to want both I2C/TOH system AND waterproofing the device.

manut ( 2014-02-06 16:41:49 +0300 )edit

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I never understood the need for more than 1.5 days of active use in the battery. Simply plug into charger every night when you go to bed. That way you have a fixed routine for charging, so you never forget.

00prometheus ( 2014-04-18 18:15:52 +0300 )edit

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@00prometheus, 1.5 days would be good, but if you use 3G and move around a fair bit, the current battery won't last 16 hours -- sometimes not even 10. So that's short by a factor of 2-3.

mornfall ( 2014-08-23 22:24:44 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-05 18:43:40 +0300

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updated 2014-02-13 11:10:34 +0300

In case someone designs a concept/mockup etc please post it here. :)

Because boredom: image description

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In my opinion, USB should be on the bottom, headphone jack on top. USB on top is strange if you call while device is connected to charger. This is also misdesigned for me on actual Jolla.

SaimenSays ( 2014-03-25 00:30:55 +0300 )edit

It looks nice(ish), but there's little purpose for a bottom bezel on a Jolla phone. Much better idea would be to eliminate it and have a bigger screen (but overall smaller packaging). Also, if new customers are to be attracted, unless selling the phone for $150-200 (max), then a 1280x720 4.5" screen isn't going to impress many people. Current phone suffers from a terrible screen, underwhelming specs and a too-high price point relative to these considerations.

midnightoil ( 2014-08-23 20:27:14 +0300 )edit

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It was just 10-15 minutes playing around. Didn't spent an enormous amount of time trying to make it perfect or sort out all the details. 1280x720 gives a DPI of 326ppi which is quite ok for the human eye , doesn't have to break the bank and kill battery to drive it. And i don't feel like jolla should go after specs (big numbers). The experience is where it's at. And quality. It should feel like you can throw it through a wall. As for the bezel (bottom) you can't have the screen too low (it creates reach problems) and if you use a bigger screen (keeping the same aspect) you have to make it wider which will make it feel bad to in your hand. Also there is a good place for a notification LED.

ApB ( 2014-08-24 13:21:37 +0300 )edit

Hm, maybe you should also try to keep the half-half look from the current device? It's kind of a signature design feature already :)

lhorga ( 2014-09-30 04:15:40 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-05 22:40:40 +0300

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Jolla Helm - the phone for drivers, captains and pilots.

Equipped with a display for night driving (or night fishing). Super black and quickly reversable for head-up use behind the steering wheel.
Sticky wireless charger pad holds the phone while powering for extended GPS navigation, dashboard instrumentation and in-car media.
Modified Sailfish theme engine adapted for excellent night visibility while keeping night eyes clear and alert.
BrightNight dual colour (white and red) LED light with native app for optical signaling.
FM/DAB radio with built-in antenna for traffic information, weather reports, etc.
The Dock Other Half allows charging straight from 12V batteries as well as from wireless sources.

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sounds like tripled thickness, double would be ok for me to bring on a kbd! your 12V charger wish needs transformation hardware and that is bulky

chemist ( 2014-06-28 18:38:36 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-06 16:08:52 +0300

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Speakers should be located like in N900. One on the top and one on the bottom, currently both are placed on the bottom which doesn't make sense because people watch movies in landscape mode.

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As far as I know there is only one speaker on the current jolla phone.

vattuvarg ( 2014-02-06 16:18:06 +0300 )edit

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They can add one to the next phone. Or use 3 in total so you can have stereo in both orientations. :P

ApB ( 2014-02-06 16:32:50 +0300 )edit

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The Jolla has only one speaker. The other grill is the microphone.

bart ( 2014-02-06 16:43:10 +0300 )edit

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I'd like to see speakers at the front like HTC One. Sure that's patented to hell and back though.

orjans ( 2014-02-18 22:09:08 +0300 )edit

give j2 stereo ! Phone can be bigger J1 is very thin, I am almost scared it will break after having my heavy n900 + case mount in pocket for 5 years.

Marold ( 2014-10-22 02:29:37 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-09 15:17:16 +0300

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A stronger haptic vibrator would be nice to have in the next phone.

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The vibrator of Jolla seems stronger than N9's. However, it seems to have a downside: the feedback of the keyboard on the N9 is much nicer than on Jolla, possible due to the heavier vibrator which simply takes longer to spin up and wind down. On N9 it responds much faster.

Fuzzillogic ( 2014-03-25 00:52:46 +0300 )edit

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the vibrator is pretty strong (was impressed), if it is not, the vibrator is probably failing (just had mine at care because of that)

chemist ( 2014-06-28 18:34:37 +0300 )edit

I can get no vibration at all... maybe there is also a problem on mine. But sending my device to care in Finland... not very found of the idea !

alci ( 2014-09-16 15:14:40 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-09 17:59:16 +0300

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Most important thing. Support all LTE/4G/3G bands and frequencies including USA.

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yeah that'd be great, i was very disdapointed when i learned that i'm limited to 2G for my upcoming trip to US °,..,° very sad

mgbler ( 2014-03-23 10:31:29 +0300 )edit

Canada, too. My carrier is solely UMTS Band 4 (ie. 3G on the pair of 1700/2100), so without frequency support for W-CDMA on the "AWS" blocks my Jolla remains sadly a small wifi tablet. Even with the less pocket-friendly form factor than the N9, I'd still switch to using my Jolla as my primary device in a heartbeat if it could actually talk to my cellular network. Ironically, was the only NA frequency set that the N900 supported, which is why I went to my current carrier to begin with!

keithzg ( 2014-03-25 01:36:39 +0300 )edit

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Australia too, the main carrier is 3G 850 (UMTS Band 5). In the cities we have 4G but for the vast majority telstra (NextG) is the only option. According to wikipedia this affects other countries like New Zealand(XT Mobile Network) and various Asia telcos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#Deployments_by_region_.28UMTS-FDD.29

Evan ( 2014-07-06 12:20:47 +0300 )edit

As a Finn, I completely agree!

hana ( 2014-08-20 20:58:16 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-13 11:29:42 +0300

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I have some suggestions adout the sides. When we week up the screen,we can changge subjects. And we also can change the subjects through cards of tasks of signs. I think it wastes too much. One of them can doing it will be better.

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answered 2014-02-13 12:20:53 +0300

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I like the sharp edges of the current Jolla design! Somehow it's more distinguishable from most other phones. I don't know how you see this but in my opinion Jolla should continue it's own design language but form-factors can be different?!?! Recently, I grub out my old N810 and N900 compared it with the Jolla. It's a very nice evolution especially comparing to the N810 which was not a phone but a "internet tablet which very strangely didn't get the permission form Nokia-management back in the days to have 'phone-software' - just stupid :(". Anyhow, almost same size but Jolla has a bigger screen and is slightly slimmer. If we get a Keyboard-THO, then those two devices are pretty similar but 8 years apart still :) Jolla's THO-concept is amazing! We can make an "old-fashioned" phone with dialing plate for my grand-parents-generation. Think about it - you could then neatly place the Jolla in an old-style phone enclosure - other's can't because of the missing harware-interface :-)

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I like the look of the Jolla phone, but not the feel. Without a Lastucase my Jolla digs into my hands and it hurts. Also the phone slips out of my hands without a case. I very much wished that my Jolla had rounded sides and rounded edges, since the feel is more important than the look. It is good that owners can open their phone and to me this is the main advantage of the TOH. The other functions of TOH are a little disappointing. So a back cover that I can open myself is enough for me. The size of Jolla is ideal; not too big and big enough for reading, games, etc. A real improvement would be: USB on bottom and headphone jack on top. A good camera and good speakers.

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