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photoTAN app?

asked 2019-01-21 12:32:56 +0200

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updated 2019-01-21 19:34:01 +0200

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Hi there,

does any one of you know if there is a photoTAN app that I can use on my Sailfish OS device (Jolla 1)? I have the Android support installed, so something there would be also OK.

Best regards, Robert

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I would also be very interested if this works with any photoTAN app. I tested Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank and comdirect Bank and although all apps seem to run, neither can detect photoTANs successfully on Sailfish X (Xperia X).

Spark ( 2019-01-21 13:57:14 +0200 )edit

This I would like, too.

Kopekenscheich ( 2019-01-21 16:19:25 +0200 )edit

Becaue of the new EU law, more and more banks in Germany change their TAN system. Unfortunatelly they want to use photoTan, or you have to buy a separate device.

Jolla, please fix the Android support, so we can use Sailfish as daily driver in the next years!

SaimenSays ( 2019-01-21 18:38:20 +0200 )edit

I can confirm that Deutsche Bank PhotoTAN app on Jolla Phone 1 with OS v. is working. It was also working with the last version 2.x before upgrade to v3.0.0.8.

maier ( 2019-01-22 12:41:47 +0200 )edit

sparkasse works fine with photoTAN on XA2

Tonno ( 2019-02-14 17:34:19 +0200 )edit

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answered 2019-06-28 15:58:15 +0200

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updated 2019-12-04 14:26:54 +0200

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Extracted an overview from comments and added my experience so far. This is a wiki! So please add your experience to help others.

comdirect photoTAN App:
++ JP1 v3.2.0.12, App version 7.3.19, sluggish but works fine
++ JC
--- X v3.0.3.11 (Does not detect 2D code)

Commerzbank photoTAN (v7.1.18):
++ JP1 v3.0.1.10
++ JC v3.0.1.10
--- X v3.0.1.10 (Does not detect 2D code. Timeout while trying to scan activation code)
++ XA2
++ Xperia 10 (photoTAN 8.1.0)

Deutsche Bank photoTAN:
++ JP1 v3.0.1.11
--- X (Does not detect 2D code)

--- X v3.1.0.11 (Detects rooted device, refuses to start)
--- XA2 (Blank screen)

norisbank photoTAN-App:
++ JP1 v2.1.4.14
++ XA2 v3.2 - stay with APP Version 2.2.6, Newer ones Esquire Pin registration!

Postbank BestSign (v1.2.0):
--- X v3.0.3.10 (Android 5 needed)

Sparkasse S-pushTAN:
++ XA2

Raiffeisen Schweiz PhotoTAN:
++ JP1
--- X (Does not detect 2D code)
++ XA2 only with Play Services or microG

VW Financial Services photoTAN (v1.3.0.0):
--- JC v3.0.3.10 (Exits after blaming rooted device)
--- X v3.0.3.10 (Exits after blaming rooted device)

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Why not make this a wiki so everybody can edit?

Yo ( 2019-07-13 20:15:58 +0200 )edit

DAB Bank and Consorsbank (BNP Paribas subsidiaries in Germany) are publishing their new "SecurePlus" apps on September 9th '19, unfortunately they will require at least Android 5.0, so any Sailfish device without the 8.1 layer won't be able to execute them (besides further "rooted" or processor incompatibilities).

MeegoUser ( 2019-08-05 18:59:06 +0200 )edit

@Yo: Is a wiki now...

SaimenSays ( 2019-08-28 19:30:54 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-02-16 22:40:46 +0200

Doc.Malibu gravatar image

Hi there, are the (most probably) non-official Banking-Apps from Aptoide (e.g. Commerzbank and DKB) really trustable? Up to now I refused to download them because of being afraid of installing a skimming App or a kind of scam?

Are there maybe other sources for the mayor (german) Banking-Apps? Most of the are only officially represented in Google play, but maybe I am wrong.

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photoTAN is IMHO quite trustable because the only data getting transferred is between the colorful image on your PC screen and your phone's camera - there is no need for being online.

Until now I refuse to do online banking on a phone, but if you're looking for a banking app, maybe native SFOS app "Zaster Banker¨ could help - although I did not try it out yet. But if you don't trust aptoide, maybe get yalp store...?

cg ( 2019-02-16 23:22:06 +0200 )edit

Zaster shows you online your transactions. You cant send money with this app.

mettska ( 2019-02-17 00:53:30 +0200 )edit

I fetched the App from DKB via yalp. On my XA2 I get a message about google play services and after that only a blank screen. It seems to me thhat it is bot working at all.

Daniel.T ( 2019-02-17 09:37:11 +0200 )edit

Regarding comdirect photoTAN, their Android app is distributed via Google Play exclusively. They aren't even willing to provide a direct download of the APK (as stated e.g. in this thread: "PhotoTAN-App direkt herunterladen").

Makes you wonder as to why you'll find this app in Aptoide and how trustworthy it is.

dmz ( 2019-08-28 20:44:02 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-01-21 23:03:40 +0200

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On my JP1 - but still SFOS V - the PhotoTAN app of Norisbank works without any problems. And afaik it always did since SFOS V1. I did not update to V3 yet and if this app won't work I probably will not try soon...

(Norisbank is nowadays only an online branch of Deutsche Bank so I wonder if there is a difference in their TAN apps)

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I guess there is a good chance that they use different apps: "Kim Hammonds, Deutsche Bank’s chief operating officer and the woman responsible for streamlining the company’s IT systems, said the bank was the “most dysfunctional” place she’s ever worked" here But if you dare to test it on, I would be very interested in the results ;)

Daniel.T ( 2019-01-22 00:18:19 +0200 )edit

@cg Would you maybe try the Deutsche Bank/comdirect app from the jolla aptoide store on your phone with Sailfish 2? I would like to know if they worked with it.

Spark ( 2019-01-22 00:28:30 +0200 )edit

I could of course try these apps, but I don't have an account. So what does work apparently and what not?

cg ( 2019-01-22 17:08:13 +0200 )edit

@cg thanks in advance. You don't need an account. You just need to try scanning a photoTAN (one of your bank should work), that works without an account right away. What works for me: Installing and starting the app, touching buttons. I also see the camera live view and it focusses on the code. It just doesn't recognize the code as such and I get a timeout message of the live view after some seconds.

Spark ( 2019-01-22 17:16:36 +0200 )edit

I have an Account @Deutsche Bank Berlin. I can use mTAN (Mobile Tan) or a Tan-List. No Photo-Tan.

ExPLIT ( 2019-01-22 22:09:05 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-01-22 12:05:02 +0200

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updated 2019-06-03 20:52:31 +0200

Swiss Raiffeisen bank photoTAN :

  • Used to work perfectly with Jolla 1 (so might be another solution for you)
  • Xperia X unable to detect the 2d barcode (like most other comments in the thread)

2019 update:

Now luckily Raiffeisen has since started to support a dedicated photoTAN device. (So this solved my Xperia X problems until I replaced it with an XA2 because of other banks) Might work for other with the same problem.

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My bank charges 25€ for the dedicated photoTAN device... I can use 280 mTANs (9ct) for that and hope that a future Sailfish device will be able to handle photoTAN ;)

Spark ( 2019-01-22 13:17:14 +0200 )edit

I installed Raiffeisen PhotoTAN on my XA2 with microG, but PhotoTAN will not load.. it just shows a never ending revolvong spiral. Are there any tricks to that? CreditSuisse SecureSign starts up fine.

danfin ( 2020-04-02 13:32:00 +0200 )edit

@danfin: the current 7.x branch or Raiffeisen PhotoTAN doesn't wok on my XA2 neither.

I've reverted to using the old 6.x version, this one perfectly suits my needs.

DrYak ( 2020-04-02 14:03:31 +0200 )edit

thanks for the tip, @DrYak - I tried with no success, photoTAN replied it's outdated. If I try to install alongside version 7 there's a conflict. Is there any trick about using 6.x?

danfin ( 2020-04-03 18:43:05 +0200 )edit

The way I did it:

  • (make sure to have the original letter from Raiffeisen).
  • uninstall photoTAN 7.x completely (it's not possible to downgrade, it's not possible to install two package with the same classe name - both version are called ch.raiffeisen.phototan)
  • copy an .apk file of version 6.2.0 on you SD card

    (so you also have it handy to re-install it if the next verion 8.x turns out to be broken too)

    • I got mine out of an old backup.
    • It's possible to fetch older versions from the Google Play Store with a client software such as Raccoon, for photoTAN try fetching the version code 620
    • There are also 3rd party website with older versions if you have any trust in those.
  • click on the APK with your favourite file manager or type apkd-install ch.raiffeisen.phototan.apk on the command line.
  • Re-do the whole app validation with the original letter.
DrYak ( 2020-04-03 19:32:22 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-02-14 15:52:07 +0200

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I just tried norisbank photoTAN app on my XA2 with SFOS3.0.1.14 and it works without a problem.

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Thanks a bunch. I have some hope that one day the camera access of Sailfish X on Xperia X gets improved so this also works. Until then...mTAN.

Spark ( 2019-02-14 16:49:56 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-06-27 20:20:43 +0200

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So many answers and comments, but no real clear solution. It would be nice to get answers for "Commerzbank photoTAN" XperiaX? Anyone using it?

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Commerzbank photoTAN is working on my Xperia XA2, I don't know about the Xperia X though.

Alex ( 2019-06-28 02:33:34 +0200 )edit

On Xperia X android apps have issues getting sufficient information from the camera. So on this particular phone, you might get a pTAN app running and see the live view image, but the code is not recognized. That's the case for the comdirect app for me, which is basically the same app with a different corporate design. I think we will not get a solution for it unless somebody with knowledge dedicates a bunch of hours to it. For Jolla the number of affected phones is most probably too small give it sufficient priority.

Spark ( 2019-06-28 12:32:57 +0200 )edit

While extracting the list below, I recognized that no app is working on X device. But why? It has the same Aliendalvik version as JP1, as far as I know.

SaimenSays ( 2019-06-28 16:00:49 +0200 )edit

Has anyone successfully used the Commerzbank / comdirect / deutsche bank pTAN apps on a device out of the XA2 range without going through the extra effort of installing MicroG as explained by DrYak ?

phidias ( 2019-07-03 23:23:32 +0200 )edit

answered 2019-11-23 12:25:49 +0200

bj-rn gravatar image

Hello, has someone tried with Xperia 10 already?

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answered 2019-11-25 16:30:33 +0200

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Hi! Is it know what's with DiBa Bank (or ING-Bank)? I got some older app from Aptoid, but It does't work (too old). Any tipp? Thanks.

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