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[Thought] Remarks on the new UI (

asked 2019-07-23 16:07:31 +0300

nerip gravatar image

updated 2019-07-24 16:47:41 +0300


it's with a great pleasure that i've upgraded (a nice holiday gift) to the new, finally out of beta, great work of the team and the fellow sailfishers! Please be kind to this thoughts that are mine and maybe not shared by others, i've tried to explain as much as i can as english is not my native language.

This new version brought us some new UI changes that we didn't see coming (at least for me) ; i like the minimalistic UI and i feel there are a lot of small icons now that are a little bit distracting in the contact's cards history.

Also I would like to point out some inconsistencies and questions :

1-dot and button doing the same thing (at least opening the same page) and why this big ugly handset button? I thought it was to call directly... image description

2-Why no nice icons instead of "Dialler" "History" "People" that are of the same size of the names below : image description

3-Why no better seperation in the contacts list (i've missed the previous alphabet sorting): image description

4-Clock should be opened on Alarm or at least remember the last one opened ( to my mind it was nice to have everything on one page)

5-Why thoses color strips on calendar of eventeview are so thin, they are barely visible, please add two pixel or more wider : image description

Feel free to add your salt on the UI. Once again it's a great work of the developers!

(Xperia XA2 Plus)

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I don't get the difference between the "People" tab in the phone app and the people app. Is there any?

Why not just open the People tab when the People app is clicked in the app grid?

Spark ( 2019-07-23 16:16:37 +0300 )edit

I like the new people app, but meybe it could be a bit more space saving? I mean Title 'Address' plus detail info 'Work.Address', plus a icon, that's quite much? It's nice the icon lets us copy that address! But paste that into puremaps.. address is not formatted so PureMaps will find the place. Dialler looks like it can do T9 but it doesn't. A alternative 'big touch fields' dialler would be nice too.

danfin ( 2019-07-23 16:32:36 +0300 )edit

I like this idea too for other apps to adopt the tab structure it makes sense in other apps like Piepmatz, it is more intuitive. I think it might need a little tweak as it develops. @Spark It does seem to be converging a bit. I do like the history feature of past text messages and ability to jump to send a new message from the Phone or People app.

marxistvegan ( 2019-07-23 16:50:01 +0300 )edit

@nerip: there is an open question about 4. already. apparently devs are aware of the issue.

rozgwi ( 2019-07-23 16:50:37 +0300 )edit

Basically all UI changes since v.1 have been for the worse. Sailfish needs to be heavily patched using Patchmanager at this point to be "unlike" as originally intended and not just another Android clone.

bocephus ( 2019-07-23 16:54:21 +0300 )edit

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answered 2019-07-25 15:04:40 +0300

Kabouik gravatar image

updated 2019-07-27 19:33:40 +0300

I agree with @nerip, there are nice additions with the new UI, but I think there are a few regressions as well.

  • The numerous new icons can be a bit distracting, and the overall UI just feels busier and messier than it was. Sometimes it is to improve usability, sometimes I don't see real benefits, like subcategory icons in contacts details. The minimalistic look of Sailfish was part of its unique signature, I think preserving it where adding icons does not improve ergonomics would be best.
  • Like @nerip, I don't see the point of the big topright button in Messages, and the huge header added on top of the page to display the contact name seems out of place. I actually hate it, but that's just my opinion. No status bar and 100% screen estate for content always has been a central feature of Sailfish UI. While some people did criticize this paradigm, they were mostly missing a status bar, not big headers on top of applications pages. Currently, 10% of the screen estate is lost in Messages just to show the contact name instead of the messages themselves. I would prefer to see the header just completely removed, as before, with just the left and right page-indicator dots. The Messages app does not need category names because the three pages are sorted by increasing level of detail, which is classic and does not need a legend: Conversations > Messages > Details.
  • About multipage applications in which pages really have distinct purposes (like Phone and Clock), instead of different levels of details, page indicators showing the category names can be useful. I actually like that it is text-only and that the text is small. Not quite agreeing with @nerip on this one because the minimalistic look has been preserved while adding information. I like those category indicators it the way you designed them in 3.1. But they are not the same as the contact name discussed above in Messages, nor do they serve the same goal.
  • When taking a picture with the Camera app, one can go back with a swipe to check the photos that have just been taken, delete, or share. Before 3.1, I believe one could also browse pictures taken earlier than the last shooting, which was extremely useful and more convenient than opening the Pictures application to quickly check picture history. This is not possible anymore and opening Pictures just after Camera just for this can be very cumbersome. [Edit] Turns out it was the same before, sorry about that one. Still, I see no reason why the quick history in the Camera application should be limited to the last shooting session. Why not allowing browsing further back? Turns out everything seems to be OK and working as expected, I don't know where I screwed up my first test, but the second confirmed that we can go several shooting sessions back unless the camera was opened from lock state. Sorry for the noise.
  • MMS pictures, when maximized, can now only be closed with a downwards swipe or by tapping the closing cross. I think it was possible to swipe rightwards in previous version. This felt natural because the transitions between Conversation > Single message with picture > Maximized picture were all horizontal, swiping in one direction was just increasing/decreasing the level of detail at each step, like going back and forth. Now using two distinct directions feels clumsy and unnatural. Allowing both downwards and rightwards swipe could work and every one would be happy regardless of their preferences: there is no conflict on this page to go back with an horizontal swipe.
  • Clock application: I really dislike that Countdowns is the default page. All I want to do when opening this application is check if I correctly set up my alarm clock, and I'm sure many people use it mainly for this. Perhaps some would prefer having countdowns or stopwatch first, so what about having a kind of "Save last page position" when closing the app, and restore the same page when reopening Clock? This could work for Phone as well.
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@Kabouik: your point about the camera roll (last images taken) sounds like a regression that deserves it's own question. haven't upgraded yet but taking lots of pictures I'd think that's functionality lost.

and about the clock app: apparently devs know about this and are going to fix this (see comment above)

rozgwi ( 2019-07-25 16:05:24 +0300 )edit

@Kabouik: Clock application: Countdown as default tab is a bug by Jolla, which they admitted themselves in the release-thread. It will be fixed in the next update.

Spark ( 2019-07-25 16:10:43 +0300 )edit

@rozgwi, actually I was wrong about the situation and edited my message above. I tried taking several pictures in a row with the camera, and all pictures from the shooting can be quickly checked from the Camera application. However, pictures taken in an earlier shooting cannot. I must confess I am not sure anymore if this was the same before 3.1, but in any case I don't see any good reason to restrict the quick history to just the last shooting.

Kabouik ( 2019-07-25 16:44:16 +0300 )edit

@Kabouik: why, you are right! I didn't check before but im still on and can't go further back either.

rozgwi ( 2019-07-25 22:43:46 +0300 )edit

Thanks @rozgwi, then it means this is not a regression of, but I believe it could be better without this limitation to the last shooting session. I'll edit above.

Kabouik ( 2019-07-25 23:55:01 +0300 )edit

answered 2019-07-25 21:00:54 +0300

ApB gravatar image

Some remarks after playing with it for a bit:

The colour of active tab and non active tab are almost indistinguishable on the Airy ambience and most likely other light ambiances.

The size of the text should also be optimized. (too big IMO)

Also the tabs should be more carousel like with the active tab always in the middle ie. [Inactive Active Inactive]

And if possible give the ability in the settings to default to a specific tab. Ie when i open the phone i'd prefer the Dialer to show up.

Some animation when you tap a letter in the new scroller would be more than welcome.

The Media app could hugely benefit from Tabs and the new scroller.

But all in all those two things were a nice addition to SFOS.

Thanks Sailors. :)

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The larger font size for received messages really disturbs me. On my Jolla 1, this is simply way too big. I'm also not convinced that varying the font size is an improvement. Aren't the different text colors, right/left alignment and presence/absence of bubble enough already to differentiate between received and sent messages? The overall readability of a conversation seems worse to me than before.

May ( 2019-07-27 22:38:56 +0300 )edit

answered 2019-07-26 09:05:51 +0300

wojtek14 gravatar image

updated 2019-07-26 09:10:17 +0300

I think that despite great change in People app (quick move by clicking one of the letters on the right), the Messages app cannot be accepted. The huge contact bar with the phone icon is a nightmare, while the message boxes look so adroidish that I wonder if people from Jolla want to quietly switch us to that Google swamp. Also the send icon looks really childlish now, I really preferred simple "Send" button. I also hope for quick fix for the Clock app.

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The huge contact bar is only huge on small displays. Not as an apology but as a reason. As stated the design switches were mostly motivated by the demand/request on business side ergo: The russian partners. Since Jolla acknowledged the russian developers the changes in messenging and contacts app even might have been developed by the russian developer crew. This is the new reality, development follows the demand of paying business customers/partners. But it also seems to speed up the development.

Spark ( 2019-07-26 18:19:21 +0300 )edit

answered 2019-08-07 17:26:52 +0300

Maus gravatar image

updated 2019-08-29 10:03:43 +0300

I just noticed a calendar UI regression.

Think of a calendar event with an organiser and an attendee. Opening the detail view of the event, I find the list of attendees sometime vanishes for some seconds, finally reappears to stay.

I can't seem to reproduce the "flickering" of the attendee list consistently, but I've seen it more than once, especially just after starting the Calendar app.

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@Maus, can you start a new thread for the organiser error, with more explanations (if possible): does it happen all the time, should the organiser have a specific charater inside his name, which server… Thank you ;)

Damien Caliste ( 2019-08-12 18:03:24 +0300 )edit

Indeed, if you can give concrete repro instructions for the &quot issue in particular that would be greatly appreciated

chris.adams ( 2019-08-13 10:25:01 +0300 )edit

@Damien Caliste, @chris.adams, thank you for your interest in this. I'll see what I can dig out of my phone when I find the time for that. Please give me a couple of days.

What I can already say is that

  • organiser is on Exchange
  • Damien knows the CalDAV backend I use
  • attendee display really sort of "blinks" sometimes

I guess it's just some sort of (missing or too much) "normalization" somewhere in the chain, like building a full name field out of "Surname, Given Name" at some place, sanitizing all " to " at another and only then interpreting everything to the first semicolon. Bummer!

In fact, I see CN=\"Surname, Givenname1 Givenname2\" often in msyncd logs, and most common are attendees named &quot or &apos.

Maus ( 2019-08-13 16:00:02 +0300 )edit

@Damien Caliste, @chris.adams, I fear this &quot and &apos issue is only visible in "legacy" events, which I removed and re-added to the CalDAV server. I don't know the source of the problems, but as long as they don't reappear or are easily reproducible, I'd say this nothing to bother you with.

Maus ( 2019-08-28 14:23:11 +0300 )edit

The occasional appearance of organisers (on MS Exchange, inviting a DAV user with an SFOS phone) re-named to &apos or &quot unfortunately has not vanished, and with further improvements in SFOS come new oddities. If I create an event on my phone, with a DAV (OX to be precise) backend, and I invite attendees, they get displayed (and notified by e-mail) as ^'Givenname Surname^'.

Maus ( 2019-12-19 21:54:58 +0300 )edit

answered 2019-08-29 03:07:27 +0300

rozgwi gravatar image

With regard to the new design of People:

Sailfish designs are simple, beautiful and uncluttered. Content is presented clearly, text is legible, animations, haptics and sounds follow an overall theme and support user interactions

Quote from the SFOS wiki on User Experience

The icons as they are arranged now make the contact view appear more cluttered, text labels for the types (e.g. private, office) used to be bigger and more legible.

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