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Privacy: Jolla or Blackphone [not relevant]

asked 2014-02-26 12:07:21 +0300

m2 gravatar image

updated 2014-02-26 12:22:24 +0300

I have seen the thread over here comparing the two phones, but my question is:

Do you prefer phone which has got privacy of it's user as priority No. 1 and why? Or phone that is open to hacking and therefore securing the device yourself and why?

Privacy = not using Facebook, Twitter, Google or any of the FOR PROFIT organisations that collect information about you for resell.

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Depends: Install all the must have stuff (facebook, whatsapp, the not known android app) on any of these phones and your privacy is lost.

cy8aer ( 2014-02-26 12:15:50 +0300 )edit

cy8aer: I have just edited the post to emphasize that this is question for users that do not use FB, Twitter etc. as that is growing trend now and more people are concern about their privacy.

m2 ( 2014-02-26 12:21:57 +0300 )edit

Not a real question, yet again, Why is the forum full of these questions that simply bring about OPEN ENDED DISCUSSION - Which is NOT what this forum is meant for! If you're so worried about PRIVACY (which is an illusion anyway) then stop using a mobile phone and revert to carrier pigeon, I'm sick of seeing this kind of question, it isn't relevant to the cause, at all. See HELP for a reminder of the rules.

Spam Hunter ( 2014-02-26 15:52:13 +0300 )edit

@Markkyboy I can see your point, but are you not concern that your phone if Wi-Fi on, is leaking stored AP's? Or that there has not been official statement from Jolla that they are serious about privacy on their phones as well?

Since I am only average user and this forum is full of people who know about programming and security in general I was hoping that someone would explain in detail how the Jolla is / or not protected unlike other platforms / phones.

Revert to pigeon? Come on ....I left Windows for Debian few years back on all of my family PC's, now I have left Android/Symbian for Jolla for the same reason = concern over security, stability and privacy and the fact that I can customise / configure the machine how I like not how the vendor thinks I should have it.

I am sorry that you are sick from my question and would recommend you to go and see GP for advice or ignore / down vote my post.

m2 ( 2014-03-05 18:26:41 +0300 )edit

@m2 - I personally am not concerned about the WiFi aspect, as I don't use it. I also did not know that the WiFi was leaky, so, I'll say thanks for that particular heads up!, Thanks. If you have privacy issues, which clearly you do, why did you not consult Jolla directly and ask for them for the information, seeing as they are the guys writing/coding/implementing this stuff?, with that in mind, why have you moved to another platform without seeking the relevant information first?, especially with your security worries?, that's an expensive way to find out the truth. (How deep does the rabbit hole go?) What are you worries born from? Clearly, your question didn't really make me sick, as you know it's just a figure of speech and the pigeon comment, well, I was being sarcastic, which is a low form of wit I know. And yes, quite right M2, I will just walk on by next time, as I'm learning to do with all the other 'irrelevant' posts and no need for down voting, just a no vote is better I'm realising. I just didn't feel that with all the problems the Jolla phone has, that your question had any relevance and judging by ALL the responses, many others are thinking something similar, it's only my opinion. The first response from Cy8aer hit the nail on the head; install all the must have crap and your security is just another illusion. I'm not trying to argue with you about your question, it was an opinion that I could have expressed differently, no offence meant.

Spam Hunter ( 2014-03-06 02:02:35 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-02-26 12:19:34 +0300

nodevel gravatar image

updated 2014-02-26 13:01:03 +0300

marsch gravatar image

Neither. Neo900 without a doubt.

You can trust neither Jolla nor Blackphone, since they're not using their chips and don't have the control over what is in them. And I'm saying this as a satisfied Jolla user.

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answered 2014-02-26 13:51:59 +0300

Richie Cotton gravatar image

Whatever handset you use, at the moment we know that in many countries details of who you call and when you call them and where you call them from (call metadata) are recorded and available to governments. Likewise with SMS. So for real privacy, you have to change your handset frequently. This means that cheap handsets are probably best option.

Bear in mind that there are many other factors involved in privacy, beyond the technology.

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You have to change the handset and SIM-Card. You can only turn it on when you need to make a call, or you can be easily recognized by your daily movement pattern (Cell tower and direction over time is enough do identify the average person after a few weeks). And whenever you do a call, this helps to gain information who you could be. Not that easy to keep your privacy if you want to go that far. :-)

Cmdr_Zod ( 2014-02-26 14:25:33 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-02-26 14:22:43 +0300

Cosmic_Kakapo gravatar image

updated 2014-02-26 14:23:03 +0300

Blackphone security/encryption only works if you're calling or messaging another Blackphone!

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Or if the other phone has the apps installed from silentcircle.

StanceVonKofsky ( 2014-02-26 14:59:29 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-02-26 14:38:20 +0300

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According to a german article the Blackphone comes with a 2 year subscription and in the 3rd year you have to buy the crypto-stuff for 10$/month http://www.golem.de/news/hands-on-blackphone-ein-viel-zu-grosses-fragezeichen-1402-104781.html

_IF_ this information is correct, I would not touch the Blackphone with a ten foot pole. But maybe this is false information, however if the crypto is not open source it should not be used.

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