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Poll: have you managed to convince your Andr/Apple loving friend to switch to Jolla

asked 2014-04-04 12:53:05 +0300

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Hello Sailors! Here is pretty simple question for you: have you managed to convince any of your friends or collegues or whatever, who actually never heard about Jolla before, to switch to it? What were the major difficulties while taliking with your friends about it? I know every one of us tried to do it. You can write about your experience on this subject in comments and please vote, so we could get some numbers.

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Due to my age, my friends see a mobile phone for what it is; something to make calls with and to send the occasional text.

When I showed a few friends the Jolla and what it couldn't do, I was the laughing stock for about 5 minutes until we all needed our oxygen tanks to breathe, bearing in mind this was OS 1.0.0.5 (the beginning).

If anything, the phone didn't raise any eyebrows, but created plenty of frowny faces, as to why I had spent so much money on an incomplete phone! (They didn't quite understand the bit about development by the user).

The best part about the phone for my friends, is you can change its appearance with new TOH's, until I told them how much they were, now one of my friends is still recovering in hospital, after laughing himself into an asthma attack!

I got given a Samsung Galaxy S2 with a broken USB port (repaired for £7) and installed a stable version of Cyanogenmod. The screen is bright, the phone is functional and above all, it does what you ask of it and to be honest, I like it!, it all works!

A friend still uses his immaculate Nokia N8 (he won't part with it), which if we are honest, the only thing that really lets that phone down, is the OS, otherwise, it's a cracking camera, then the USB OTG, the HDMI out, all nice features. Even the S2 will output video with the right cable! (MHL).

It's Nokia or Samsung for the majority of my friends, who got their phones on contract back in the days of Jesus and refuse to upgrade, because and I quote; "I like my little phone, it's very reliable and I know how to use it". (Wow, I sounds like an old fart!!, I'm mid 40's, not so old, eh?) :D

I'm selling my Jolla, it was bought with money I didn't have, I've had the experience (been, seen, done it) so I will repay my debt from Jolla proceeds, maybe a friend might like to buy it, but I doubt that very much, that will be like trying to sell sand to Arabs.

Right, all jokes and japes aside, I quite like my Jolla, but not enough to be keeping hold of it, it's going on eBay this week! I noticed one went for £320.00, 'The First One' edition, which mine is. Minus the stickers, which are now hiding dents on my mountain bike and fridge and of course, my t-shirt is well worn already, but the Jolla is still immaculate, so off to auction it is!

Edz ( 2014-04-04 14:53:06 +0300 )edit

wow, it's really sad :( i'm myself actually convinced my friend to switch from Iphone 5. She liked gesture-based interface and TOH technology. Although i also have couple of friends with "what the hell is this crap?" attitude =\

virgi26 ( 2014-04-04 14:59:32 +0300 )edit

Changing all entries into Wiki entries, since this is a poll question.

00prometheus ( 2014-04-04 15:48:27 +0300 )edit
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  • co-workers like the gesture UI and full screen without bar notification and discrete notifications.

  • my part: too many things not yet working/ready exposed at another topic, This just final beta 1.0.4.20 and not release for my self as end user. version 1.0.4.20 mostly a smartphone for closed group developers level, linux fans, not for end user like user came from SymbianOS S3 Belle on Nokia N8-00 (too many things can doing only at developer mode but should interest user level !)

Still a lot of works before reach more generic customers.

Sometime, i think the SailfishOS/software are mostly used only at developer mode and almost not tested as user level by developer

redge73 ( 2014-04-05 03:11:55 +0300 )edit

I think the 'poll' here is a bit out of hand as the answers are more like commentary than actual options to vote for. In my case a few are interested, but a definite and big blocker is the fact it doesn't work with a Mac (really bad for me too). Also the size is a turnoff for some. Apps I have found to be less of an issue.

Setok ( 2014-04-05 15:00:41 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-04-04 12:53:57 +0300

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updated 2014-04-04 15:49:10 +0300

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Yes, I was able to open my friends' eyes!

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answered 2014-04-04 13:28:28 +0300

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updated 2014-12-27 12:38:08 +0300

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[edited for language fluency] Consider the experience of someone who works for a mobile network operator. People show interest in something and it's weird. The balloon of enthusiasm deflates when they see phone specs and Jolla store. This supposedly makes SailfishOS like Plan9: a fantastic operating system with a small user-base due to lack of applications and accessories.

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answered 2014-04-04 14:24:57 +0300

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updated 2014-04-04 15:48:46 +0300

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I convinced myself to switch back to N9. But soon i will need to find some new mobile coz my N9 is very old. I'm thinking about iPhone. Jolla still lying in the drawer and every update it is switch on and checked if it's usable. No luck till now.

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answered 2014-04-04 16:27:58 +0300

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updated 2014-04-05 04:18:36 +0300

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I haven't found that much to brag about my Jolla. If you stumble upon someone who is pretty into mobile phones but haven't heard that much about Jolla/Sailfish then the reaction is a bit unexpected because they turn silent and kind of don't know what to ask other than about the phone specs :) I've noticed the same thing when presenting GNU/Linux to Windows users. They turn into question marks and walk away ;) even if you try to keep it simple. One of the reactions is that why aren't more people using it if it's better.

I haven't found anything good to say about TOH either other than it provides a lot of possibilities but for now there's not much you can do with the TOH. Sorry but I won't tell anyone that you can change your ambiance by changing TOH. Now many other manufactures have all kinds of accessories that you can easily attach to your mobile so soon it has to be something really awesome to be worth mentioning. A QWERTY keyboard or wireless charging may not be enough.

I also haven't been that eager to recommend it to people yet before the OS gets a bit more mature and includes more of the features that an average Joe would expect.

I kind of convinced my girlfriend to buy one but she was surprised that you had to install warehouse etc to get the basic things working. She was a bit disappointed about the missing basic phone features like a number pad as default etc. She doesn't do that much with her phone either but she would like a a decent Facebook app. I'm not a FB user myself anymore so I couldn't warn her about that.

I'm still a bit optimistic about the future of Jolla and I think that within' 6 months or so I can start recommending Jolla to my friends. This maybe reflects my marketing skills :D

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Missing number pad!??? Phone -> pulley menu -> enter number... and there it is! I don't get your point.

Philippe De Swert ( 2014-04-06 14:44:33 +0300 )edit
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Yup, but it's not visible as default but instead there's a long recent call list. It would be great if there would be a setting "Always show number pad" and it would show the number pad plus the four most recent numbers.

Wizah ( 2014-04-06 19:21:41 +0300 )edit

or Phone->(minimise)->(nudge app cover) -- always on homescreen if unclosed

sledges ( 2014-04-16 01:51:30 +0300 )edit

6 months have passed since I wrote this. I haven't marketed my Jolla for regular users yet. Only to my nerd friends :) We are getting there but I think I'll start recommending this within a year or so. That's my new guess.

Wizah ( 2014-11-25 15:25:26 +0300 )edit
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Install patchmanager from openrepos, there you can activate numpad by default (it's weird that this isn't supported by the base OS...)

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answered 2014-04-04 17:41:07 +0300

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updated 2014-04-04 18:23:08 +0300

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Def managed to get some interest from at least one person, but haven't shown the phone too much. Lots of frowns when people hear the price, but loads of acknowledgements re OS. Most of my friends are fandroids, hence all their information is in google, not sure there's any better google client than android, but then it can't do anything else right, so shrug. I like who things are now... Jolla small, I can IRC with them, all good.

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answered 2014-04-04 18:28:19 +0300

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I do not try to make people switch to the microwave I use. I don't see why I should interfere with their preferences about phones, either.

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I understand where you're coming from, however, I'll say that certain things should be encouraged such as XMPP in favour of [pick your favourite closed instant chat protocol]. It's a matter of responsibility, and many aspects of Sailfish fall under this category.

gabriel ( 2014-04-04 18:43:23 +0300 )edit
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I have no idea how to use XMPP with Jolla phone and connect/find partner/friend with it

redge73 ( 2014-04-05 03:18:09 +0300 )edit

redge73: yup, that's a problem in this industry in general sadly. There is plenty of material online and here to assist if you're ever interested to find out. For example, Google talk still uses XMPP, whatsapp doesn't, hence I can connect with any compatible client with the former, but not the latter. This is a very simple example anyway.

gabriel ( 2014-04-05 13:10:19 +0300 )edit
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I usually recommend a product without thinking about it. It's not that I'm trying to convince someone but it happens easily that I say "I really like that cafeteria, microwave etc" and then I say because they have so good tasting coffee or that the microwave is so efficient and easy to use. But with my Jolla I have kept quiet so far. Still think that there will be a day when I can recommend it and many are looking for alternatives.

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answered 2014-04-04 19:38:04 +0300

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updated 2014-04-04 21:04:48 +0300

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Yes, these comments and answers sound all kind of sad for the Jolla phone, but I am convincing myself that it will get better. But then the iphone, android and windows (!!) will get better too.

Even this morning I was showing the Jolla to a friend and he didn't get exited..... It was just another phone with less possibilities than the aforementioned three he thought.

I like swimming against the stream, it is exhilarating. But I am afraid not many want to join.

Jolla has to get into the carriers to succeed and concentrate on design and built quality, otherwise it will be an also ran only.

The other thing is the mobile phone market is now grown up, what new can there be in the future? (Plenty, I hope)

And I still think it is an alternative to all the other phones on the market, not many will agree!

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answered 2014-04-05 04:06:34 +0300

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So far none of my friends have bought a Jolla, but a couple of them are definitely thinking about getting one. I'm always happy to show the phone to someone interested in it, but at the same time I run into a problem: just letting someone turn the phone around in their hands and swipe around the OS for a couple of minutes really just doesn't give a very clear picture of the benefits of the unit. (The design is obviously different from most other smartphones, but that's just a question of preference, and the hardware itself isn't that impressive.) The bigger issue though is the learning curve for the most important part of the phone, SailfishOS. While checking out the phone, most people seem more confused than anything else, since it takes more than just a couple of minutes to get to grips with the gesture- based system. Luckily the upcoming Sailfish "emulator/ demo"(?) for Android devices should make it easier to get to know the OS, and thus make a decision whether to buy a Jolla or not...

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answered 2014-04-05 12:08:38 +0300

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I'm not going to convince anyone since Sailfish isn''t a ready OS. It's hard just to convince myself not to sell it. They said that Sailfish is commercially ready...well, I don't think so: no Mac support, no proper Android notification system, no accessibility settings, just to mention the first things that came to my mind. We are in 2014 and this is simply unacceptable. I paid my jolla, I was one of the first ones to be very disappointed, but since I paid it I will keep it (I don't know anyone who could be interested to sell it). The only thing I'm sure about is: no more jolla for me. I wish all the best to jolla, but the real thing is that they came out with their product too early, when it wasn't ready, in my opinion. However I hope they will improve, we need alternatives to iOS, Android and Windows, but with a full set of functionalities.

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"they came out with their product too early, when it wasn't ready, in my opinion"

Sounds like you bought before knowing what you were buying. The entire point of being an early adopter of a beta product is that you, together with the other early adopters, get to give the OS shape, before it is ready to really sell to the average Joe.

That said I don't agree with the 'out of beta' tag Sailfish has got since 1.0.4.20, as there is still a lot missing before the OS is really coherent.

nthn ( 2014-04-05 14:16:48 +0300 )edit
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This is my opinion, I didn't buy it without knowing the situation. I think they came out too early even for a beta product. That's all.

Gabir ( 2014-04-05 15:02:14 +0300 )edit

"Mac Support" ? Can't you apple guys install SSHFS on your mac's to access Jolla via SSH ? And why do you need to connect your mac to Jolla everytime ? For file transfers initially SD card or SSH should be fine. "Android Notifications" - For me they do work out well but not as properly as the native ones. You have to give sailfish os the credit where its due. Its meant to run native apps and everything from android is a "bonus" !

pavi ( 2014-11-26 10:40:06 +0300 )edit

@pavi - yes. i can also install windows on my mac or use my old N9, which is still way better mobile than Jolla (IMHO).

cropas ( 2014-11-26 18:01:26 +0300 )edit

@pavi So the sales rep in a store should just tell people "Can't you just install SSHFS?"...yeah right...this is not how you sell a product to NORMAL PEOPLE.

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answered 2014-04-05 12:11:54 +0300

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updated 2014-04-05 12:12:53 +0300

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wow! what is it with all the negativity? :( am i the only one who actually like it? and use it on everyday occasion

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I'm using it everyday, and I like the gesture based Os very much (I was an N9 user) but I cannot say it's a completely and simply usable product. As I said in my post, there are basic things completely missing; I have eyesight problems and I have no accessibility settings so for instance reading an email is a challenge, I'm a Mac user and I have no Mac support. They said they are 100% Android compatible, but the notification system doesn't work. How can I suggest anyone to buy a jolla?

Gabir ( 2014-04-05 12:26:48 +0300 )edit
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We like it and use it. But since we aren't 100% satisfied, how can we, in good conscience, recommend it to someone else?

sifartech ( 2014-12-30 02:29:23 +0300 )edit

One man's negativity is another man's objectivity ;)

pichlo ( 2014-12-30 13:41:34 +0300 )edit
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