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How would you like a TV with a HDMI stick connected, to interact with your Jolla?

asked 2013-12-24 20:32:58 +0300

updated 2013-12-24 20:35:24 +0300

See http://armdevices.net/category/hdmi-sticks/ for examples of HDMI sticks. They're really quite capable - and they can also run SailfishOS's base system.

Hi, I'm Carsten Munk, Chief Research Engineer at Jolla. Let's try to grow the skunkworks of Jolla and SailfishOS together. Use the tag 'skunkworks' for your ideas and thoughts. Rule #1 of skunkworks: stick to something that is not short term (rest of site is good for that), but is possible 6 months from now or beyond that.

I believe that the best research department a mobile OS can have is a worldwide community of passionate contributors and users. Let's prove this theory right.

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I'd prefer direct wifi for smart-TVs (samsung-link) and MHL for everything else.

chemist ( 2013-12-24 21:07:54 +0300 )edit

To take advantage of the voting system, we should write a single proposal into a single answer and keep commenting under these topics. Not like I did previously, when I commented previous post and proposed my own subject.

sjtoik ( 2013-12-25 15:27:47 +0300 )edit
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PlayTo all formats to anything by any support communication (bluetooth, WiFi, WiDi, AirPlay, MiraCast, NFC, etc..) replace Android by SailfishOS on Cubox-i from SolidRun i.MX 6 Series Processor (Arm9 Cortex A9) So i have SD card with ready to use SailfishOS

redge73 ( 2013-12-29 22:34:22 +0300 )edit
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Will the soon to be available firefox HDMI stick be something that will work with Jolla??

https://gigaom.com/2014/06/20/this-firefox-os-powered-streaming-stick-is-mozillas-answer-to-chromecast-exclusive-video/

ApB ( 2014-06-23 22:27:45 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-12-09 18:02:16 +0300

For me it depends on the totality of the app ecosphere of the stick. If the Jolla phone would have tons of native apps easily displaying any content I want I would prefer to have the stick only display that content (like google does with Chromecast). It saves me from thinking a lot. But this is really dependent on the quality and availability of apps. Recently our dutch broadcaster started supporting Chromecast, making my chromecast a lot more useful. I now not anymore grab my laptop to send a Chrome tab to TV but can also grab an Android device. I would really like to do this with my Jolla phone.

More interesting though I would find compatibility with the Firefox https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/matchstick/matchstick-the-streaming-stick-built-on-firefox-os. I would love to have Jolla apps working with stuff like the matchstick. Or at least a compatible protocol. Otherwise I'll end up switching sticks, and run out of HDMI ports on my TV.

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answered 2014-12-09 01:25:26 +0300

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I'd imagine to have videochat/conference support, using the Jolla as a camera and displaying the other chat buddies on the TV. Additionally, with some room for a dashboard, notes, etc. So that you could share content from your phone and/or maybe draw something on the phone. Additional bluetooth devices for input, mouse, keyboard, etc. Maybe use your attached wearable/smartwatch as some kind of kill switch for very intimate videochats, in case somebody disturbs you by accident. ;)

This might become even more interesting in combination with the tablet.

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answered 2014-06-15 22:37:23 +0300

Mr.Thumb gravatar image

Is the solution not "just" to port XBMC to jolla that way you have the setup to steam everything the "xbmc" way. It work well on arm check "Minix" media device

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answered 2014-03-10 13:33:48 +0300

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updated 2014-03-10 22:09:24 +0300

I usually don't stream things to my phone but very often from it (usually to my Apple TV's). The ultimate solution for me would be an easy-to-use Silica Component that wraps different kinds of interfaces (with interfaces I mean Apple Airplay, Chromecast, DLNA etc.) so that developers can add support for that in their apps. If this component could also be included in the native web browser (like in iOS) that would be great.

As you might notice I come from the Apple-world and my answer might sound a bit biased towards Apple, but I think in this case, it's not without cause... I don't think anyone who tried the AppleTV/iOS combo can say that it's hard to use. The same will probably go for Chromecast/Android when that gain's some traction.

Edit: abc123 kindly pointed me in the direction of MiracleCast (http://dvdhrm.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/on-wifi-democratic-republics-and-miracles/) and Airtame (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2) and to answer him: Yes! MiracleCast is exactly what I am looking for. Imagine one single component that supports Miracast, Chromecast, AirPlay (and why not Airtame). That would certainly give Sailfish a big advantage over other mobile OS's in the streaming area.

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Proprietary things... have you tried an iPad with a samsungTV? or an android tab with appleTV? All my devices supporting DLNA can cast to my TV but only Samsung devices can do screen-sharing and that can not be solved by anyone but samsung afaik - so DLNA is good for playback of things only for now - screensharing needs a proper TV out and as there is only proprietary stuff around that works flawless there is need to support the FOSS community on that matter

chemist ( 2014-03-10 15:45:28 +0300 )edit

What you want seems to be the goal of miraclecast but on sailfish. http://dvdhrm.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/on-wifi-democratic-republics-and-miracles/http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/miracle/

abc123 ( 2014-03-10 17:49:18 +0300 )edit

Kind of, I'd like to have a HDMI dongle being the wireless hdmi output the phone is missing, in a way that others do also (miracast could be one way), preferably not with any data-farming code on it like what I expect from google, apple and samsung products.

chemist ( 2014-03-10 18:31:17 +0300 )edit

"While Miracast will stay the main target, other competing technologies like Chromecast, Airtame and AirPlay can be integrated quite easily." Other than miraclecast there is also airtame that's interesting. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2http://airtame.com/ Both use open source so you can verify that it respects your privacy.

abc123 ( 2014-03-10 19:44:13 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-02-15 23:28:01 +0300

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In short, id like to see the following:

  • Screen duplication mode, show what you see
  • Video player mode (send the compressed video as-is to the stick that then plays it, but the controls remain on the phone)
    • Some kind of (chrome)cast-like functionality where the stick pulls content from a third party (maybe cast becomes good and open enough so we could just use that..?)
  • HDMI remote function, so you can use the phone as a remote control for the TV

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC

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answered 2014-02-12 16:46:44 +0300

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updated 2014-02-12 17:37:08 +0300

A TV is a box of parts nowadays. There is a receiver, a screen, etc. Adding a tiny computer to the mix makes the system more than the sum of the parts. Adding two computers (plug and phone) multiplies those possibilities.

Having touch on the TV is simply silly. Who would get up from the comfort of the sofa? Nobody would attach a cable to the phone just to see TV either. So the basic difference between the big screen and the small one is mobility.

The phone could be the interface for setting things up and then controlling. No need for a remote, the phone is all that and more. It has a touchscreen that easily replaces both keyboard and mouse. Run an app on the Jolla phone that basically is the panel for the TV. It would show the channel, the program guide and other information. All this is viewed on the phone, not on the TV. The experience on the big screen should be clean and undisturbed. The digital life of most people has moved to the phone anyway. The TV is the media server. Add a NAS for the household data. ...and make sure that the TV has more than one receiver. ...and a good internet connection too. All videos, whether recorded or downloaded, are stored on the NAS and can be viewed on the big screen or transfered to the phone.

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Now that I think about it... The HDMI stick connected to a TV is more or less a version of the jolllaDesk idea.

The stick would be a Sailfish computer attached to a BIG display.

vattuvarg ( 2014-12-09 22:34:09 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-02-12 10:33:49 +0300

Strahlex gravatar image

Maybe my remote control app can be used to control this thing: http://qremote.org/ Its free, open source and cross-platform. The client works besides SailfishOS on Android, iOS, BlackBerry, Tizen, ... with the same look and feel. Would be great if we could add media sharing features to it.

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answered 2014-01-28 14:21:20 +0300

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Airtame should be really easy to support since they will offer a native (open source) linux client. Maybe there is some work to do because sailfish does not have X...

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Well, they look like a future good opportunity for sure

Stskeeps ( 2014-01-29 10:11:24 +0300 )edit
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I'm only adding indiegogo link because it has better info then the homepage. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 I think Airtame fits Sailfish philosophy.

abc123 ( 2014-02-12 20:54:33 +0300 )edit
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answered 2013-12-25 22:04:39 +0300

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I would like to see Miracast (mirroring) capable Jolla / Sailfish in future. Device should also support Chromecast Mirroring (similar to Miracast).

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+1 for especially Chromecast (it will be widely used). Unfortunately there's Api only for Android, iOS and Chrome. But could someone get any necessary info from there anyway? https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/developers Hopefully we will see this as supported in the future.

huuhaa ( 2014-03-20 15:59:43 +0300 )edit
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answered 2013-12-25 21:41:05 +0300

When I look at that question, I look at some of the usage that I'd like to see facilitated by mobile(s) but driven by screens and workflows. To that end, I see the HDMI stick as:

  • Profile enabled: a section for home, a section for work, and a section for public PCs/TV (and perhaps one more for when you visit friend/family)
    • The stick is activated by tapping it to the NFC-enabled mobile, and then you have about 30sec to plug it in so that one of those profiles can be activated

Now, once its plugged in, seeing the different scenarios then allows SailfishOS to almost morph in response to what's needed

  • When its plugged into the device that's regarded as TV (let's call it Family TV, different than Parent or Child TV); then the mobile device auto-adds/starts remote and channel info app. HDMI stick would be nice to have antenna built-in so that the TV could do state-funded broadcast stations, and perhaps something like what Google is doing with Chromecast (Roku, Amazon, etc all make sense here too) with an ability to purchase channels as if they were apps. These channels could only be used when the HDMI is plugged into a verified TV. With the idea of profiles, you can have channels segmented by areas of the home, age of viewers, etc. But all would be controlled via SailfishOS device(s).
    • When its plugged into a device that's regarded as Work Computer - you get two types of apps that arise, but both require logging into the corporate account (Exchange or similar) and that data is siloed from the mobile device but usable from the mobile or other computing accessories. In this case, it would make sense for not only that NFC-trigger to be present in the hardware, but also Bluetooth for mice, keyboards, etc.
    • When its plugged into a car (because you have to do that too), perhaps we see voice-functionality opened up on the mobile, and maybe the auto's console would make easier input and response to mobile/automobile-in-motion-formatted items such as mapping, alerts, radio/personal media, etc. This would be better facilitated via a few auto manufacturers... but a right way to market this.

I'd go one step further and make a Schooling/Academic profile. But that would probably excite things a bit more. Its a good idea, thing is, it just needs to be more than a hardware play. These kinds of usage scenarios have to "almost too easy" not to play - think: iPad.

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^This plus J.A.R.V.I.S http://youtu.be/A3oq5uvGGkk - it's free If you want to play around with it you can download it here http://michaelcjarvis.blogspot.com/2013/09/michael-cs-customizable-jarvis.html The voice in the video comes from the free trial version of http://www.ivona.com/us/voices/ UK Brian If you want to go full on Ironman interface you can use Rainmeter app with IronMan skin.

aironeousb ( 2014-01-28 19:14:41 +0300 )edit
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