Option to disable the "Select Internet connection" popup
Please consider adding the option to disable the "Select Internet connection" popup, the popup that is used when an application is requesting an Internet connection.
Reason: The popup is unnecessary.
UPDATE Aug 3rd 2017 : 1.1.2.16 doesnt address the following scenario and the popup still shows, i believe a setting manual option to not open the popup (that option also exists in iOS on new WiFi hotspot found). Two sim cards inserted, no WiFI connected but WiFi networks in range and mobile data disconnect from primary source due to network down error. The popup will show network select at top of the screen.
A manual setting should allow override so select network popup never shows automatically.
Why this is important? Because on some commuting routes the network always comes down in the same geographic location and will always recover 5min later. A popup is simply distracting and not needed. The network down message is sufficient!
The SFOS update does address the popup and limits the times it shows based on the following scenario : the user has a data plan then a connection to the Internet is always expected to exist, so no popup is needed. If a known Wifi access point is available then Wifi will be automatically be used instead, so no popup is needed.
If the user does not have a data plan, then they will be using an Internet connection in one of the known Wifi access points in their area (home, work...). Since the access point is known it will be automatically used, so no popup is needed.
If a user with no data plan is using an application that requests Internet access (a GPS sport tracker, a video game that uploads statistics...) and the user is not in a location with a known Wifi access point, then the "Select Internet connection" popup will appear and show the options to use a data plan (which the user doesn't have) and a list of Wifi access points that are almost always unusable (requiring passwords or the user is on the road...), which means the popup is almost always not needed. If the user needs to add a new Wifi access point, then it can be selected from the "Settings" application. The user will need to know the name of the access point and the password for any encryption, which means it will be a pre-planned action and not something that needs to be presented to the user. In other words, the user should be in control of when to setup an Internet connection and not the application.
The reason for making the change to disable the "Select Internet connection" popup only an option (and not the default) is because:
- Mobile data plans are quite common, so this in not an issue for many users.
- Showing a popup is the expected behaviour when compared to other mobile phones.
- It is more user-friendly for new users.
Thank you!
EDIT: I've been trying to figure out a way to implement this, even as an unofficial hack. The more I think about it the more confused I get: The popup appears when an application requests Internet access... But the "Connect to Internet" pulley menu item in the "Settings" application uses the same code that the other applications use (including the "Connect to Internet" shortcut application I have installed). So that means that if the popup is disabled at its very source then NO application will be able to load the popup. Oops. :P Does anyone have any ideas for a way to implement this?
EDIT: This seems to be show up on far less occasions after Update 11 (1.1.2.16). Additional info: According to the release notes, it now won't "pop up ConnectionSelector more often than once in 10 sec". I'm not quite sure what this means, but I just did a quick test (on Update 12... Oops, I mean 11) and the application that used to load the Internet connection popup the most hasn't done it at all in the past 20 minutes. :)
And when you have wifi disabled and you lose mobile connection, it popups the select internet connection with the wlan option. I travel by train to work every morning and that stupid popup comes 5-6 times in 40 minute period. I have wlan disabled, why does it even ask if I want to connect to wlan?Frustrating!
cahva ( 2014-08-12 08:20:33 +0300 )editI usually disable wlan/mobile internet when not needed (to save battery). Being asked to select an internet connection after disabeling it is completely unnecessary.
feodoran ( 2014-08-12 09:53:13 +0300 )editPersonally I like this popup. "The popup is unnecessary" for you, maybe, but not everyone is using his Jolla like an iPhone, where you basically have everything switched on all the time. I like my battery to last at least 2 days so:
Also, you simply forget that data plans are not necessarily unlimited. There are plans with 50/100MB data, just to browse maps or get mails once in a while.
If you don't have access to Internet, simply don't open an app that requires Internet, no?
There is just one exception: games with adds. For this case, yes, I agree that the popup is annoying and that's why in the end, I'm totally ok to have an option for that, but not for the reasons you mention! ;)
Sthocs ( 2014-08-12 11:30:43 +0300 )editYou like it, but I dont like it. So it should be optional. Connection should be transparent in certain situations. It really is irritating to read website article or ebook when this giant popup disturbs you with connect to internet and wlan is the only option and there is no free wi-fi available (and as I said, I've switched it off).
cahva ( 2014-08-12 13:36:14 +0300 )edit@Sthocs - Thank you very much for your response! :) Everything you said about your use case is entirely valid so, yes, it should only be an option to disable the popup. The place I see the popup the most often is when I use running / cycling tracker applications. They always try to connect to the Internet to show me a map of where I am (both on the N900 and on the Jolla), but the GPS tracking works just fine without it.
Also, thank you for the tip about disabling Wifi to preserve battery. I will try that at work today. :)
drcouzelis ( 2014-08-12 16:03:59 +0300 )editActually, I though again about that, and what I personally would love instead of a disable option, is a "Don't show this popup again for this application until next launch" button right on the popup.
This way if we are using an application that we want to keep offline (cached webpage, cycling app, game with ads), one click and we are done.
Sthocs ( 2014-08-12 23:27:33 +0300 )editOn a related matter: https://together.jolla.com/question/51295/android-apps-keep-requesting-internet-connection/ . Hope that Jolla implements an selection option like "Non-Flight Mode" where a user can select the type of action for the popup:
- Iteractive - popup as needed;
- Silent - never requests;
- After Unlock - request only once after sleep mode(requests again only after next sleep);
- Timed...
Amilcar Santos ( 2014-08-13 12:47:53 +0300 )editFor me its also a bit annoying and useless. If and when I need connection I'll activate it myself.
Pakke ( 2014-08-13 15:14:35 +0300 )editI think there is something to this request, even if I don't fully support it. Similarly to other users, I have been annoyed by the frequently recurring popup. However, I think in principle, it can be useful.
In my opinion, there is one reason why the popup should occur: When I perform an action (i.e. refreshing my email account, trying to load a webpage in the browser), which means that I want the phone to access the network.
The frequent popups are caused by apps trying to poll some network service. However, these apps (i.e. automatic refresh of the email account, rss feed reader, messaging app) should use a different mechanism, like the one provided by network manager. NM can notify applications when network access is available, thus they should refresh when they have received such notification and not just every tenth of a second. Might also save some battery power.
berniyh ( 2014-08-19 00:46:45 +0300 )editExample: I want to play Angry birds in airplane, and not use any wireless connections. Popup asks for internet connection about every 45 seconds, and not able to disable it. I think this is quite critical bug!
https://together.jolla.com/question/2060/airplane-mode-enabled-still-ask-select-internet-connection/
Tmvk ( 2014-09-11 17:55:48 +0300 )editAh! I was looking for this question. I was abroad and I had on purpose disabled WLAN and mobile data and GPS. I had only settings running and I think I even disabled all kinds of e-mail, FB etc. syncs and still.. almost everything I unlooked my screen, there was it again: Select internet connection. It was driving me insane... I must've seen that dialog almost over a hundred times...
paulvt ( 2014-09-11 21:56:06 +0300 )editIf you have everything on and the services are still unavailable, you actually need user-input... how about programs requesting a connection but should not do so a 3rd button in the popup could be
chemist ( 2014-09-13 15:31:44 +0300 )editDon't bug me
opening a list of preset times ([5,10,30,60]min) when you actually want to stay offline? Your idea of "won't bug most people" is following a widely known misconception that most people actually do behave like you think they do and all have the same stuff as you have. So many people do not have a data-plan or a very limited as they are most of the time in wifi coverage (me, my GF, my sister, my dad, most of my colleagues at work...). (fun fact: the first and most spread misconception of user-databases is "people have a name" - the list is very long)I go to work by subway, usually reading something on the phone. And this popup is very annoying, large and intrusive. It appears perhaps every minute and offers to connect to wifi no matter if wifi is disabled or not. And it shows up even if there are no access points around (and anyway I don't want to connect to AP in subway, it's most likely impossible or won't work).
Possible ways to solve this:
It looks like option 4) and 5) are simplest to implement and would greatly improve experience.
butler ( 2014-09-18 13:29:21 +0300 )editI absolutely support this request, it renders my offline navigation almost unusable. I disable data connections for a reason but still want to be able to receive calls.
crom ( 2014-10-13 18:48:08 +0300 )editI faced this annoying popup today while playing the game Subway Surfers (Android), it kept prompting and interrupting me every few seconds and made me lose in the game ;-) Please have an option - don't ask again or something of that sort.
anandrkris ( 2014-11-03 07:04:29 +0300 )editSomeone already know how to disable/enable this popup window and can write the command to disable/enable this please? I need it for Here maps... Thanks
Schturman ( 2014-11-12 23:33:09 +0300 )editIt's very annoying for me too. I spend many time abroad and this popup always show up, even if roaming is disabled and no wifi network near by.
In my opinion best solution would be 3 option in setting:
Always ask - works as now, default
Never ask - popup never shows up
Only once ask - popup shows up only when a process first time asks for internet connection. If user refuses to connect the popup do not shows up for that process again.
Slibi ( 2014-11-25 18:59:35 +0300 )editI was in the US for a week and used Here maps in offline mode for navigation in my rental car and had to tap away the popup every five seconds! Talk about frustrating! Ok, I saved $15/day by not getting a GPS with my rental but I'm not sure it was worth it.... :P
paperboy ( 2014-11-28 03:41:53 +0300 )edit@paperboy that is already a reported bug, android apps specifically set to offline mode still trigger the request, alien-dalvik does not honor those settings (no idea why but it seems android has some special magic needed for app offline settings).
chemist ( 2014-11-28 10:15:28 +0300 )editI totally agree on the annoying of the popup.
It happens when I go for example inside of a house where roaming doesn't reach. I want to use my mobile and disable the internet connection, since it's just draining battery. The popup renders my phone useless when some program that I don't want to use asks internet. This is constant and it doesn't even allow me to dial a number from it's interruptions.
There should be a button "Deny all the internet access" and it'll deny all access until wifi or data is activated. Flight mode is not an option, because however weird it might sound "I want to use my Jolla as a phone" during the time.
juzupuh ( 2014-11-28 11:31:52 +0300 )edit@paperboy Why didn't you put the phone in offline mode? (And it's weird that Here asks for an Internet connection in offline mode, OsmAnd doesn't do that)
Sthocs ( 2014-12-01 22:20:07 +0300 )editI turned off mobile data and wlan and thought it would be enough. Should have tried flight mode too I guess.. :/
paperboy ( 2014-12-02 02:45:39 +0300 )editWhy the hell should I need to put my phone in offline mode to have it stop asking for internet... If I wanted to do that I'd have used a tablet and not make my phone a tablet.
chemist ( 2014-12-02 10:48:30 +0300 )editHmm, first, I wasn't talking to you, and second, you have the answer in my previous comment.
Sthocs ( 2014-12-04 01:55:33 +0300 )edit@Sthocs Hmm, first, I was talking to you ;) That it is a bug is obvious! One of the reasons I do not support this request as it supplies a workaround for a bug only. (It is not limited to Here, I have other apps that trigger the banner)
chemist ( 2014-12-04 12:18:16 +0300 )editHéhé =P I agree it's annoying and I already admitted that a "don't ask again" option would be perfect, but the issue is here, and we have to live with it for now, so I was just commenting his case: you are in a holidays road-trip, you have two options: having to touch the screen everytime you want to check the direction, or passing temporarily in flight mode and enjoy the road, what do you do? :D
(And I think that Here's offline mode doesn't work as expected if it triggers the popup every 5 seconds. OsmAnd triggers it once at startup but not later iirc.)
Anyway, don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to be happy when such an option is implemented!
Sthocs ( 2014-12-04 13:48:54 +0300 )editThis got really annoying yesterday. I was using Nokia Here Beta(android) app for offline navigation. But it was pretty much unusable since tot popped the connect to wifi pop up every 15 seconds or so. of course there is no wifi when i'm in a car. And i don't want the data roaming costs, and still want to be connected to GSM network for calls and sms.
Whippler ( 2015-01-04 09:21:29 +0300 )editAmong the many things that are utterly and completely broken on Jolla, this is by far the most annoying. If it isn't enough that you have keep doing the TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, connections are lost when the dialog appears. Thanks, I really enjoy connecting to remote shells over and over and over again.
Movetron ( 2015-01-20 16:31:16 +0300 )editSame problem with Nokia HERE, also mentioned here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93948&page=9 When WLAN and mobile data is off, there should be a "do not ask again" option.
Stephan ( 2015-01-20 20:50:48 +0300 )editI don't have anything to add, but to agree that this pop-up issue is indeed very annoying. I was in Sweden an had downloaded offline maps, had turned mobile data off, wlan off and used Here Maps in offline mode. Still my phone kept buggering me if I wanted to connect to mobile on wifi network. So, pretty please! Fix this.
raketti ( 2015-02-01 20:32:02 +0300 )editCan confirm, today while driving with Nokia Here in offline mode (closed wifi/3g) I didn't get notifications at all. Driving time around 20 min. It's cool !!!
Schturman ( 2015-03-05 10:13:11 +0300 )editThis sounds really promising! Thanks for the info! And to OP (ping @drcouzelis ) what's Update 12?
raketti ( 2015-03-05 10:23:04 +0300 )editGreat, it's fixed in the latest update! I've spend several hours in subway to this moment with wifi off and 3G on, and there were no popups at all, while before that I've got about one per 1-3 minutes. Thanks, sailors!
butler ( 2015-03-05 14:32:09 +0300 )edit