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Battery capacity [not relevant]

asked 2014-08-18 17:33:08 +0300

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updated 2016-08-17 15:11:06 +0300

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After almost 8 months of the first Jolla phone was sold, we still don't find spare batteries in the Jolla Shop or by any official distributor. To deliver a clear message about their urgent need I hope that the most active phone users could provide their current battery capacity in a comment - And hope to see an answer from Jolla solving the issue (There are no other way to lift up the capacity but providing a spare battery)

How to:

  • Developer mode needed
  • Start app called "terminal" (becomes visible in developer mode to your launcher)
  • write ´upower -d´ and press enter
  • Search the reading for "capacity" and post it as a comment

EDIT: Please note the the capacity reading differs depending on your latest chargings, showing less if the phone has been charged only partially lately. You should get the biggest (and most accurate) readings after a couple of full charges. The amount of current charge percentage shouldn't matter.

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My own Jolla: 85,45% My wife's Jolla: 81,26%

simo ( 2014-08-18 17:35:01 +0300 )edit

Mine is 90,67%

The 1 And Only ( 2014-08-18 17:49:36 +0300 )edit

And mine 91.44%

jbrek ( 2014-08-18 17:57:33 +0300 )edit

91.76% for me. It's been running since the end of January.

nthn ( 2014-08-18 18:07:25 +0300 )edit
1

91.2571% here. Had it since 20th December.

Tanghus ( 2014-08-18 18:32:48 +0300 )edit
2

90.45% only since 19th may

naughtydog ( 2014-08-18 18:42:34 +0300 )edit

upower -d | grep capacity returns 90,1333%

rooster13 ( 2014-08-18 18:49:27 +0300 )edit

88,42% here

Fellfrosch ( 2014-08-18 19:07:16 +0300 )edit

91,7286% here.

lasse ( 2014-08-18 19:34:39 +0300 )edit

90,53% since Feb.

nightmare ( 2014-08-18 19:39:35 +0300 )edit

97,93% here, though I had my phone replaced recently due to several issues.

late88 ( 2014-08-18 20:23:47 +0300 )edit

87.93% here, had the phone since 13th December

JoakimK ( 2014-08-18 20:39:57 +0300 )edit

91,55% since january.

Axe ( 2014-08-18 20:44:09 +0300 )edit

90,4476 % Have been used about 5 months.

Battery reminds me about the ones that older Nokia phones used. Would it be possible that some Nokia battery fits? I'm pretty sure someone has tried to find suitable alternative...

Jesse ( 2014-08-18 20:49:20 +0300 )edit

91,25% January

sunkan ( 2014-08-18 21:04:39 +0300 )edit

91,8% (in use since 8.Jan.)

Maddis ( 2014-08-18 21:58:53 +0300 )edit

92.333% since dec 2013

WilbertS ( 2014-08-18 22:08:02 +0300 )edit

90,3143% daily use since january

theowb ( 2014-08-18 22:08:53 +0300 )edit

91,8857% on my Jolla. Used since february this year.

Carl ( 2014-08-18 22:15:41 +0300 )edit

91,9667% since 27 December

Claudio Maradonna ( 2014-08-18 22:18:10 +0300 )edit

95.5% since June 2014

veeall ( 2014-08-18 23:07:48 +0300 )edit

91,019% on my jolla.

Timo Mylläri ( 2014-08-18 23:14:25 +0300 )edit

92,2857%, daily use since January

IZ1IVA ( 2014-08-18 23:25:20 +0300 )edit

94,781%, running since February.

hnbv ( 2014-08-19 00:09:32 +0300 )edit

90,2381% since end of January

mosen ( 2014-08-19 00:32:26 +0300 )edit

92,337% since late December, daily used about half the time since that.

Misc1ief ( 2014-08-19 00:50:20 +0300 )edit

92,2843 since December 2013

J4ZZ ( 2014-08-19 01:57:17 +0300 )edit

91,39% and if pisible every charge be a full one

McCloud ( 2014-08-19 06:31:46 +0300 )edit

90,61%, since November 2013

Manatus ( 2014-08-19 09:17:39 +0300 )edit

88,01% and 264 days daily use now. 93,75% on my son's Jolla, daily use since late December.

hnhanu ( 2014-08-19 09:22:55 +0300 )edit
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88.0667% - since December 2013. Batteries are consumable items and replacements should be available. Richard

richardski ( 2014-08-19 09:38:58 +0300 )edit
3

Mine reads 83.5% and in use since the Jolla rollout at Narinkkatori in November – I wasn't even aware that replacement batteries aren't available, which is a serious issue!

ExTechOp ( 2014-08-19 10:17:27 +0300 )edit
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90.55 % it's a first one ! average use is 2 days , replacement batteries should be available.

mvdm ( 2014-08-19 10:28:25 +0300 )edit

94,3 since December 2013

aloof ( 2014-08-19 10:36:30 +0300 )edit

93.581 since 12 august 2014

nix ( 2014-08-19 10:39:46 +0300 )edit

94.9762% since December 2013

Vivien ( 2014-08-19 11:46:32 +0300 )edit

89,342% since December 2013

MarcG ( 2014-08-19 11:55:07 +0300 )edit

85,36% since Dec 2013. :-(

Upp15 ( 2014-08-19 11:55:11 +0300 )edit

88.919% since early Feb 2014

gexc ( 2014-08-19 12:17:05 +0300 )edit

93.219% since December 2013

Neo ( 2014-08-19 12:35:35 +0300 )edit

100% since January 2014

filipb92 ( 2014-08-19 12:46:58 +0300 )edit

87,57 % - using it since January as my main device.

Alex ( 2014-08-19 14:39:54 +0300 )edit

91,85%, having it since December 2013, but still using it together with an N900.

Cmdr_Zod ( 2014-08-19 16:46:54 +0300 )edit

91,1523 % since January 2014.

Venty ( 2014-08-19 17:04:09 +0300 )edit

August - 85.05% Had it since 22th December 2013, main device.

flywheel ( 2014-08-19 17:46:57 +0300 )edit

92.219% Had been main device since December 2013

tace ( 2014-08-19 22:43:02 +0300 )edit

91.1619% since November

isacw ( 2014-08-19 22:50:57 +0300 )edit

96.6% since Feb

pmelas ( 2014-08-19 23:10:16 +0300 )edit

86.99% since early January. Can someone give us some advice on best practices on keeping the battery capacity?

jfebrer ( 2014-08-20 00:28:17 +0300 )edit

95,0857 % since December 2013. Whenever I have the possibility I am trying to discharge the battery completely in order ro have as less cycles as possible until now.

vision ( 2014-08-20 01:02:10 +0300 )edit

87,7524% for me. I'm using since december 2013, and it's my main device.

carmenfdezb ( 2014-08-20 02:26:07 +0300 )edit

89.5095% since December 2013. Fully support the fact that spare batteries should be available and that this should be at a sensible cost. I would buy a spare now if I could. The fact that Jolla is now available in HK gives me hope that we may now see independent spares and accessories produced in that market and available worldwide.

ninepine ( 2014-08-20 07:51:16 +0300 )edit

94,5% Main device since January. Daily use.

Moth ( 2014-08-20 08:06:16 +0300 )edit

93,3%, since November 2013

igor80 ( 2014-08-20 09:18:00 +0300 )edit

93.92% since Jan

kearnage ( 2014-08-20 10:18:48 +0300 )edit
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A little over 91%. (Used since Dec. 2013, Jolla is my main phone meanwhile.)

It seems all batteries reported are at roughly 90%. Does this show an "urgent need"? :)

ossi1967 ( 2014-08-20 10:29:56 +0300 )edit

I cannot see why other independent battery manufacturers cannot exploit the concept of TOH, e.g. Mugen Power for 808

pmelas ( 2014-08-20 12:21:09 +0300 )edit

~91.7% on First one, in daily use. Charged about nightly

kimmoli ( 2014-08-20 12:22:14 +0300 )edit

94.3286% since January. Main device, daily use.

tvicol ( 2014-08-20 12:27:31 +0300 )edit

Mine 88,44%, I had it since 15. January

lokomeloCZ ( 2014-08-20 12:35:23 +0300 )edit

89,7714% since december

Youde ( 2014-08-20 12:45:05 +0300 )edit

94.8238% since January. I charge it regularly. I let it seldom get really low. I use my phone daily.

Jozz ( 2014-08-20 12:51:08 +0300 )edit

Actually, the value changes. Now I have 97.8952% capacity

nix ( 2014-08-20 13:06:04 +0300 )edit

@nix Seems more like it with a week old phone :) I suppose the time since the last recharge, or the temperature, might affect this value quite a lot but we're getting a nice average from all above.

simo ( 2014-08-20 13:31:18 +0300 )edit

96,6476% since June. Primary Phone, charging every night

MacManus ( 2014-08-20 14:01:13 +0300 )edit

84,5381% since December. In everyday use as primary phone at the moment.

Kari ( 2014-08-20 15:52:54 +0300 )edit

94,8% - used since July.

Pyro ( 2014-08-20 18:58:43 +0300 )edit
1

since 19th Dec 13 the battery capacity is 98,419% not my primary phone because the sun is to bright for it.

jolladiho ( 2014-08-20 21:02:23 +0300 )edit

I have 87,12% since 15.01.2014

Dreej ( 2014-08-20 21:03:55 +0300 )edit

93.6381% (December)

attah ( 2014-08-20 22:08:25 +0300 )edit

87.28% here, since December

dcase ( 2014-08-21 09:37:50 +0300 )edit

87.4 % daily use as my main phone with 3/4g tethering every now and then. I also use my Jolla to watch tv/video streams fron our national broadcaster Yle by using Android Yle Areena. I have charged my Jolla about daily so far, I hope that thrre will be spare batteries available before my battery hits low 70's because then it will be hard to get it run full day as my main driver.

pata ( 2014-08-21 20:24:59 +0300 )edit
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97,1714% since June 2014

mfdezbujalance ( 2014-08-23 11:52:54 +0300 )edit

mine is 87.2476% (December)

eber42 ( 2014-08-24 07:55:49 +0300 )edit

87,481% and using the phone as primary phone since 20th of December 2014

NFec ( 2014-08-24 14:56:47 +0300 )edit

90.047%, phone received in December 2013, using as main phone since May

ortylp ( 2014-09-05 22:49:37 +0300 )edit

94,39% daily use since december 2013. Usually charging when charge drops under 30%

Mikko Koskelin ( 2014-09-05 22:58:54 +0300 )edit

88.3%, got my phone in mid-December.

Bubbles ( 2014-09-05 23:28:41 +0300 )edit

89,0524%, received my phone on january 16th

Daniel ( 2014-09-05 23:48:57 +0300 )edit

85,72% (12/2013)

goldenm ( 2014-09-06 00:28:50 +0300 )edit

88,781% (12/2013)

AHT ( 2014-09-06 09:56:09 +0300 )edit

89,31% since beginning of this year.

Gessle ( 2014-09-06 10:01:58 +0300 )edit

83.2% here, daily use since late December 2013.

nodevel ( 2014-09-06 15:29:14 +0300 )edit

89.4% Jolla is my primary phone since late December 2013

Kollin ( 2014-09-06 20:01:03 +0300 )edit

89.70% since May.

girsh ( 2014-09-06 21:15:08 +0300 )edit

24 hours later I have 89,3% instead of 89,0524% before. Thats weird..

Daniel ( 2014-09-06 21:19:25 +0300 )edit

86.8% first one, but barely used until end of March.

midnightoil ( 2014-09-08 18:38:18 +0300 )edit

94,50%, I've had my Jolla since January 16th, 2014.

tingo ( 2014-09-19 19:36:22 +0300 )edit

85.45%, primary phone since late December '13

molan ( 2014-09-20 09:20:07 +0300 )edit

88,7% - daily use since January.

digitus ( 2014-09-22 23:23:59 +0300 )edit

95,16% - daily use since December 13, but no heavy apps running / installed.

Stephan ( 2014-10-23 22:47:16 +0300 )edit

As an update to my comment from a good two months ago:

89.26% is my battery capacity now.

nthn ( 2014-10-23 22:52:32 +0300 )edit

second jolla here, 89,75% - daily use, more apps, since December 13.

Stephan ( 2014-10-23 22:53:31 +0300 )edit

83.2% in September, 84.4% now. So the measurements seem to be not that precise :)

nodevel ( 2014-10-24 12:57:09 +0300 )edit

Wow! The reading was 93.219% back in August and today it is 85.0381%! Meanwhile I had my phone sent to Jolla and they installed the battery cushion and cleaned the connectors (because of shutdowns and reboots), so I didn't use the phone for 10 days.

Neo ( 2014-10-24 13:22:39 +0300 )edit

89.8762% since December 2013

2Ti ( 2014-10-24 13:53:06 +0300 )edit

I'm the only one with 80% of capacity=??? (since december 2013) And I have two batteries; the main battery (more 10months of life) with 80%!

michdeskunk ( 2014-10-24 15:19:31 +0300 )edit

97,619% now, see also my comment on 20th Aug. still a test phone but always on.

jolladiho ( 2014-10-24 17:05:35 +0300 )edit

@jolladiho That's a high value. Can you estimate how many times have you charged the phone since the two months back?

simo ( 2014-10-24 17:09:07 +0300 )edit

86,03%, main phone since December 2013.

tmy ( 2014-10-24 21:11:49 +0300 )edit

Using everyday since mid-december 89,7714% on Aug 20 '14. Now 87,7429%, so it's dropping ~1% per month.

Youde ( 2014-10-24 21:57:12 +0300 )edit

Weird, I had ~87% in august, and now it displays 97.619%. Do you still have roughly the same value or did Jolla change something in 1.1.0.39?

Sthocs ( 2014-11-05 20:00:36 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-09-05 22:26:44 +0300

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Thanks for all 76 values, you just keep on surprising with your unlike activity!

Time to do the math. Estimated level of capacity loss seems to be about 1,5% / month. Estimation is based on average of 10 lowest values in the comments, and on assumption that these phones have been taken into use during 2013. There is a possibility for errors both in the readings and in the assumption, but these errors shouldn't be remarkable.

Now, if we take 80% as the critical level (level on which the first group of customers would like to replace their batteries), knowing that the first phones were sold November 27th, 2013, we reach the critical level for The First Ones in about 13 months (end of 2014), that being the average time.

As an answer I'd simply like to suggest that Jolla takes our feedback into count and provides us a way to buy replace batteries in a reasonable time, maybe based on this math and the critical level they see fair, noticing that some customers who use their phone heavily might have lower capacity already earlier, and for them the capacity would also be more important.

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Nice to have spare batteries but other topics are much more urgent ....

JonnJonz ( 2014-09-05 22:48:53 +0300 )edit
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Well, it is urgent enough for people who actually need a phone and don't have a backup phone (and can't get a backup battery because, well, there is none to be had). Batteries are prone to sudden death (much more so than anything else in a phone), so a second battery in your luggage is sort of a must if you are away from home for a while and you want rely on your phone. (What iPhone and other solderedBatteryPhone owners do, I have no idea, maybe carry around a dumbphone backup?)

mornfall ( 2014-09-05 23:58:03 +0300 )edit
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I don't think you can estimate loss of capacity linearly. The capacity percentage is at best an estimation and not very reliable in itself. From my experience with laptops you go to 95% quickly and then hover between 90% and 95% for a long time. That said, of course it would be nice to be able to get a spare. Did you try to google for a battery with similar dimensions and similar electrical characteristics? Maybe you can get one from a different vendor.

dthierbach ( 2014-09-08 10:20:58 +0300 )edit
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I've only had my phone a matter of days but would also like a spare, I am too used to having 3 for my android knocking about that I can take with me when I know it'll get heavy use - this should have been on sale with the phones launch.

davekelly ( 2014-09-13 18:26:30 +0300 )edit
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If jolla should make an other kind of battery with a major capacity, will be better!

michdeskunk ( 2014-10-24 15:25:37 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-09-13 10:00:34 +0300

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Interesting lithium battery information about charging, discharging i.e. cyclic usage of the battery...

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

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and Jolla charger how much voltage spits out???

michdeskunk ( 2014-10-24 16:25:35 +0300 )edit

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