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SailfishOS, open source, collaboration meeting planning

asked 2014-08-21 22:22:21 +0300

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Next meeting on IRC:Thursday6th of Aug 2020 at 08:00 UTC. The meeting will be held on Freenode IRC, #sailifshos-meeting ( https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#sailfishos-meeting )

Check here for your local time: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Sailfish+OS+community+collaboration+meeting&iso=20200806T08&p1=1440

Logs of previous meetings: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2020/

Meeting logs before March of 2020: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/

Tasks assigned during the meetings: http://meetingwords.com/sailfishos-community-irc


  • add your name/nick using the template below to suggest a topic.
  • indicate how much time you will need for the topic so we can timebox the meeting accordingly
  • please be as thorough as you can with your question/topic
  • if you can't make the meeting please ask and then name a substitute who can in your place.

It is expected that you show up and present your topic, or name a substitute and make sure they attend in your absence. These IRC meetings are for real time participation and live discussions, otherwise you can post the topic on here on TJC or on the mailing list and get responses that way.

We need you to be present to clarify details in the topic, and to ensure the discussion is leading to the answers you are looking for! If you do not participate or your question/topic isn't clear enough it will be postponed. Also: Always ask for *more time than you anticipate your topics needs!!*

Please try and have your topics ready by at least 3 days before the meeting. This will help us have answers ready beforehand to save time. Topics announced afterwards will be postponed to the next meeting.


Template for topic proposal: (edit this wiki directly to add your topics)

  • Name / IRC nick:
  • topic:
  • some details about the topic:
  • approx time needed:
  • optional: name of substitute if you cannot make it to the upcoming meeting (and inform your substitute!)

Agenda/topics:


  • Name / IRC nick: rinigus
  • topic: AOSP10 based ports
  • some details about the topic: From looking at https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris and Android Q PR specifically, it seems that there is not much activity on development of Android 10 support. I wonder what is the current status of AOSP10 support (in case if it is not all published). If work has not started on it by Jolla developers, whether it is planned and, if it is, when do you plan to work on it.
  • approx time needed: 20 min
  • optional: I hope to make it; if not, please discuss with others


  • Name / IRC nick: Mister_Magister
  • topic: Multiple 2+ cameras support
  • some details about the topic: Lately i've successfuly created initial support of multi-camera. On some devices auxiliary cameras are provided same way as other 2 but sfos is based around front and back camera while we need to support camera id 2 and higher. My initial changes are nowhere near merging, it needs to be done properly but it's something jolla should start think about regarding jolla-camera ui.
  • approx time needed: 15 min
  • optional: I hope to make it; if not, please discuss with others


  • Name / IRC nick: Sefriol
  • topic: Separating QML components from closed source and publishing them to git
  • some details about the topic: This has come up before. Currently, if community sees a bug or wants to propose a change in core app's UI, the source is only available within the phone / emulator / SDK. Is there a problem with separating these components from the closed source repositories and publishing them in gitso that community could do pull requests on them?
  • approx time needed: 5 min
  • optional: I hope to make it; if not, please discuss with others

For background info and invitation to this series of meetings, please see this post. Past meeting minutes, list of action points and further information are here, more recent minutes are here

Meeting Chair: (volunteers, suggestions,nominations...)

Responsibilities of meeting chair: send invitation/agenda before the meeting, keep time and order during the meeting, send minutes and next meeting planning info after the meeting.

  • James Noori (Jaymzz)
  • Simonas Leleiva (Sledges)
  • Steph Gosling (stephg)
  • Carol Chen (cybette)
  • Andrew Branson (abranson)
  • (your name here)

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Nice that you decided to move this here from the previous pad - I think TJC will serve well in this purpose also, also good to have many different topics under the same roof. Meetings might get new people too?

simo ( 2014-08-21 23:19:11 +0300 )edit
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@cybette I wonder about the outcome of the action items 2 and 3 from the September 23th meeting:
> 2. Jolla to possibly spare some engineering time and fix up the proprietary bits to at least not crash and burn on SIP
> 3. cybette to poke SIP/dialer guys in Jolla
Unfortunately SIP is still not usable using the latest Jolla update.

alex25 ( 2014-10-28 08:46:46 +0300 )edit

bump. next meeting 7th Jan ?

kimmoli ( 2015-01-05 23:09:51 +0300 )edit

@kimmoli: yes

sledges ( 2015-01-06 16:49:45 +0300 )edit
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@kimmoli@sledges thanks for the reminder. Sending email...

cybette ( 2015-01-06 16:54:55 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-12-09 15:21:03 +0300

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updated 2015-12-09 16:05:37 +0300

Sorry for short notice, I managed to get some time off work to be able to join the meeting.

Below my proposed topics:


  • Name / IRC nick: c-la
  • topic: Bluetooth tethering re-introduction
  • some details about the topic: With 1.1.7 update bluetooth tethering got disabled, probably by mistake by an undetected regression. Discussion about the effort needed to restore it in next SFOS release. TJC topics: here and here
  • approx time needed: max. 10minutes
  • optional: name of substitute if you cannot make it to the upcoming meeting

  • Name / IRC nick: c-la
  • topic: inclusion of Bluetooth LE libraries
  • some details about the topic: the needed libraries useful to use BTLE (QtBluetooth 5.4) have been backported to jolla kernel few months ago, some harbour apps have them included in their app. Discussion about the possibility to have them included in SFOS. BTLE support is necessary to use some new wearables and headphones with Jolla. TJC topics: here and here
  • approx time needed: max. 10minutes
  • optional: name of substitute if you cannot make it to the upcoming meeting

  • Name / IRC nick: c-la
  • topic: email client bug when opening a draft no text
  • some details about the topic: there is a longtime bug in the email client: when opening a draft the email has no text (body) even if there is text. The first words of the body are shown in the email preview when viewing drafts folder, but the text of the body is not copied in the email. This makes editing and sending an email "on the fly" impossible on jolla. Estimation about time needed to fix it and its inclusion in future SFOS release. TJC discussion
  • approx time needed: 10 minutes
  • optional: name of substitute if you cannot make it to the upcoming meeting
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I was very surprised to didn't see you in the Wanha Satama Helsingin PC Connects last week, one of nordics great fair of mobile programmers and developers. A lot of mobile games firms (Rovio, Nitro Games as sponsors) :D

Another new that may interest Jolla for cooperation opportunity is the new phone Librem5, open source from Purism...

link: https://itsfoss.com/librem-5-gnome-kde/

PC75 ( 2017-09-23 14:01:36 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-12-09 19:43:58 +0300

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Thank you for still running these meetings.

I'm interested in what is happening with the tablet and all things related to the tablet.

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... and especially interested in promised blog post clarifying and finally settling down this whole damn thing...

zlutor ( 2016-01-24 17:31:55 +0300 )edit

Latest details from Juhani Lasilla regarding the tablet can be found on: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.nl/2016/02/jolla-tablets-in-china.html

The rest can be found in the official Jolla Blog post: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-closure/

JSEHV ( 2016-02-01 19:59:25 +0300 )edit
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answered 2016-01-14 11:50:58 +0300

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updated 2016-01-14 11:52:18 +0300

Could someone check if the log at http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2016 will work properly this time please?

I know, this is no answer, but IMHO it is important that the log works.

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answered 2016-03-24 13:20:44 +0300

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updated 2016-03-24 13:21:42 +0300

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  • Name / IRC nick: russh
  • topic: whitelabel Jolla tablets

    • i.e. why doesn't Jolla encourage 'chinese factory' to build more Tablets (and act as reseller in Europa). Jolla can give them a SailfishOS version without license protected Software (like Alien Dalvik and Here). Benefits of this include - more developers will make native apps for SailfishOS (to fill the Jolla and openprepo app store). Builds the developer base, popularises SailfishOS and benefits everyone!

    • approx time needed: 5 minutes

    • optional: TBC
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@RussH: you have to edit the meeting agenda with your information and topic details in wiki 'question' above - like @ApB did - if you actually want it to be covered during a meeting.

mkld ( 2016-03-26 17:16:44 +0300 )edit
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answered 2016-03-27 19:26:17 +0300

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I can't edit the wiki post because I just registered on here, but:

Name / IRC nick: ArmsOfSorrow

topic: Platform Development documentation

some details about the topic: this https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Platform_Development and various other sites about platform development are still just placeholders. I'd really like to help advance the platform (e.g. update some old packages), but the documentation on the whole process is scattered around various sites. When is it going to be (more) complete?

approx time needed: ~5 minutes

optional: if I'm not available (when there is a meeting date/time), just answer the question and make sure the log works.

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@ArmsOfSorrow: done. Which makes me realise I must be particularly ill, since I've just helped an emo.

mkld ( 2016-03-27 23:41:58 +0300 )edit
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answered 2016-03-27 21:58:20 +0300

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Name / IRC nick: Luis Da Costa / Aliasbody

topic: Futur of jolla in the professional environment

some details about the topic: I've been promoting Jolla as a platform for my clients and their feedback might be good to be heard. More in details, every time we gain a client/project for a mobile app (mostly Android and iOS) we always propose a version for Jolla or Ubuntu Touch for free (in order to promote those platforms and to help them understand the benefits of a convergent code), but usually everyone chooses Ubuntu. At start I thought that it was because they knew the name (so there were more attracted to it) but after long discussions with our clients we found out that this wasn't the case. If you allow me I would be interested in explaining what are their concernes (and why, if this doesn't change, we might at libretrend change also everything to Ubuntu Touch).

approx time needed: 30 minutes (maybe even less, I think that anyone interested may need more time for the questions than for me to explain).

optional: None (I'll be the one to be there because I am the only one who has all the direct contact with our clients).

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@LibreTrend: if your development capabilities match your reading and understanding skills, I get why your clients do not want your Jolla apps, even for free. And that didn't take 30 minutes.

mkld ( 2016-03-27 23:52:34 +0300 )edit

@mkld Thank you for your kind message.... English is not my first language but in fact I missed the part saying "Template for topic proposal: (you can edit this wiki directly to add your topics)". I'll change the original post and add it there.

LibreTrend ( 2016-03-28 11:44:47 +0300 )edit
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answered 2016-03-31 22:17:05 +0300

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updated 2016-03-31 22:18:00 +0300

Name / IRC nick: nh1402 topic: Splitscreen Multitasking

some details about the topic: Is it still going to be implemented (once Jolla get more man (or female)-power of course) or is it just not going to happen anymore?

approx time needed: 2 minutes (a yes or no answer with an explanation should suffice)

optional: If I'm not there then just answer the question I'll read the log.

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answered 2016-03-31 22:26:30 +0300

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Name / IRC nick: nh1402

topic: OS Abstraction

some details about the topic: Are there any plans to provide an API to enhance the Sailfish UX more specifically for the Lockscreen adding pattern lock, fingerprint sensor, iris sensor, facial recognition, text-based password etc. Other areas of the OS could also be extended such as the messaging app adding text formatting (sarcasm, italics, bold, underline, strikethrough), adding telegram to the messaging app and others. Those are the only 2 that I can think of so far but I'm sure other people have more ideas.

approx time needed: 15 minutes

optional: I would like to be at the meeting to discuss this, if no one else is going to talk about it then delay it to the next meeting when I'm there.

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answered 2016-04-07 10:04:43 +0300

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updated 2016-04-07 10:25:33 +0300

Name / IRC nick: luca247

topic: why everytime jolla shows only android apps to promote Sailfish

some details about the topic: why everytime there is an event or a presentation jolla or other sailfish brands like intex are only showing android apps like whatsapp and not native ones like sailorgram or music library...you will never help the ecosystem to grow if you are the first not caring for native apps

approx time needed: 5 minutes

optional: if i'm not there simply answer the question, i will read it in the logs...

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answered 2016-04-07 10:22:22 +0300

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Name / IRC nick: luca247

topic: when daemon and others forbidden components will be permitted in the store

some details about the topic: we have some great apps in openrepos like sailorgram (a telegram client) or webpirate (a native browser) that cannot make into the store becase daemons or other components are forbidden on the harbour...i understand you want a safe store but this way we will never grow up...openrepos is updating apps sometimes even with a rythm of 2/3 per day...the jolla store have a rythm of 1 every 2 or 3 weeks...this is simply ridicolous...even microsoft doesn't have such rigid rules and the store is the most clean...we know our developers and we know they are not harming the system and after thissometime ago we were talking about users that could test applications before release to help jolla...any news on that?

approx time needed: 5 minutes

optional: just answer if i'm not there i will read the logs

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