[Official announcement] Uitukka is just around the corner, hold on! [answered]

Best to make sure everything works properly than to rush a release just to meet a date. Thanks for the update, already eagerly anticipated the next update.

Qt 5.2, yippee!! This means official support for QTPositioning API, right?

Please release SDK update before releasing sailfishos update, as you stated dialog ui changes and possible regressions.

Thanks! Glad that there are also UI improvements.

Is there any chance in fixing the WLAN connection dropping bug in the next release? ( https://together.jolla.com/question/47764/bug-jolla-loses-wi-fi-connection-after-a-while/ )

Not convinced we have 'a few more weeks' this month ... ;-)

Good to see that the list of new stuff is short. That must mean that the list of fixed bugs is is very long! Please communicate also that!

@Vesa, sure. The list of bug fixes will be part of the release notes.

@Basil - releasing the SDK before the Sailfish OS update was considered, but I made the decision not to do it.

The two main reasons are 1) it's not convenient to install two separate versions of the SDK at the same time 2) you could only test your apps in the Emulator, since they could not be deployed to the device before the Sailfish OS software update is available.

If the SDK would have well tested support for multiple software versions, we would absolutely release it before the Sailfish OS update, but in its current state it's not feasible.

The SDK will be released hot on the heels of the Sailfish OS update.

no word on shared google calendars :(

Thanks for sharing the info, hoping for a great and polished update then :)

Thanks for the update. In the mailing Gecko 31 is mentioned. Isn't 32 already available?

Great, but please please please fix CalDAV and look into CardDAV, it's hard living with a non-syncing device these days... I'm tired of lugging a second phone around! Thank you ;-)

Can't wait for it! :)

+1 to IZ1IVA, and I'm disappointed with more in this list. Still no progress with copy-paste in browser and Android? No 3 by votes for unreleased features, hello? I'll be pouting over my phone for another month. Very disappointed.

When will there be USB tethering available? (Or will it ever be made available?!!)

And the People app and the basic Phone App takes a long time to load. If something as basic as dialling a number is going to take time, then there are some serious issues!

@Vinodh possibly a stupid question, but what do you need USB tethering for, can't you just use wlan tethering?

2Ti, It might be a stupid question for you, but assuming that none would want USB tethering just because you don't want is plain dumb. WLAN tethering or Wifi tethering costs my battery lfie while USB tethering gives me the benefit of charging my phone while I am able to use my data plan from my carrier at the same time! Also my desktop does not have the necessary hardware to accept Wifi signals. So, USB tethering is very important to me.

@Vinodh the desktop not having WLAN hardware is an understandable reason to want USB tethering - no need for name calling, like I said this might be a stupid question, thereby implying that there is probably something I am missing (like not having a WiFi card). I thus AM NOT assuming that no one would ever want it. I simply wanted to know why using the already existing WiFi tethering is not an option as it works pretty much the same way (bar perhaps some speed differences). The WLAN tethering also uses your data plan, and the battery issue is quite easily solved by plugging the phone into a charger socker, for instance somewhat ironically a USB port on the desktop.

These updates are all very well for the techies but what about about users, like myself, who aren't interested in the technical whys or why nots but simply want a phone that will do things that other phones (even Symbian) can do. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me that with each update, something that worked before, doesn't work after. For example: MMS. Also why can't we have customisable options that allow text or background colour change, independent of OH choices. It's impossible to read text messages in daylight!

Thanks for informing us of the delay. I'll wait patiently for the stable 9th upgrade.

@DavidJ, no problem with MMS here... it sure has worked well since introduction.

The device's got all the time better. with just only one regression affecting me; the WLAN dropping problem.

@juiceme Yes there's some problems with MMS, where are the send and read notifications for MMS like on SMS (not for read)! I havn't seen any updade since introduction...

I would be very happy if the bugs with the automatically linked contacts is solved. Right now my adress book and contacts is a complete mess and I can't get out of it. Same thing happens with my wifes phone. You never know who really calls or sends an sms since the Jolla has its own judgement of what contacts belongs together and links them wildly. If two names are similar, Jolla happily links them, again, again and again. Regardless if you unlink them from each other Jolla force them back.

It is actually so frustrating that we could even abandon the jolla completely due to this, because it makes it quite unusable as a phone. It SHOULD be one of the most highprioritized bugs.

@Jarno Yes, Gecko 32 is available, but version 31 has long term support (the previous one was v24, the next one is v38).

@nodevel Thanks for the info, that makes perfect sense.

Any idea when voicemail notifications working? This basic function has been around since before smart phones. I love my Jolla but have to carry 2 phones around because I need to know when I have a voicemail for work purposes. It's not a network issue as VM notification works perfectly fine on my N9 same network, same sim. My network does not provide the sms VM notification either. It's my main gripe at the moment apart from the WLAN dropping frequently. I do appreciate the hard work being put into improvements, people are generally impressed when the see my Jolla in action.

Jolla team is aware of this issue since january but there's no news about voicemail notifications... https://together.jolla.com/question/8779/no-notification-when-new-voicemail/#post-id-17093

@TellienInTouch, oo, I never realized it exists! I use MMS a extensively, and I cannot remember having read notifications there... not even way back before, when I had a sybian phone. I had to go to a colleague and ask if his phone has this option and true, there it is!

@Larswad, do you have uncommonly high number of contacts, or how does this bug happen? Is this a generally known/reported bug or something happeded to you only?

I have on the order of 200 contacts only, and never have had any mixups with those...

juiceme: Thanks. No I have not so many, what could it be, a 50 or so. But I do have a few with similar names, Anna, Johanna, Johan and so on. The Jolla insists on linking them, regardless how many times and different ways I try to unlink them and separate them. I have now gone so far that I rename contacts into Jo-han-na and so on, and yet still the other day it linked together with Anna. This is only an example, it happens on my wifes phone to, but even worse. I believe it has something to do with google-synced contacts, but I can't pinpoint how. Its driving me crazy.

Here:

https://together.jolla.com/question/39786/bug-keeps-generating-new-globe-contacts-paarlampi-10516/

https://together.jolla.com/question/26236/bug-unable-to-add-contact-with-name-similar-to-existing-one/#37395

BTW, if useful info those contacts, each of them I have both as "regular phone contact" (originally imported as vcards over BT) and as a google contact. But I guess that's pretty common to have.

@Larswad@juiceme I also have the same linking problems. I see myself calling and texting to my self when in fact it is my wife. I've given here a nick name, but still Jolla digs up her name from facebook profile or similar and links the contacts back on. Also suspectedly the gmail sync makes dozens of identical contacts which get linked. This results in thousands of contacts, which might again result in call app and contacts get unresponsive and make the phone unusable. I broke the glass the other day. Makes me seriously think about choosing between getting the "glass touch panel" replaced for 210€ + waiting for 2 weeks to get my freezing ass shitty unusable Jolla back in business or getting a Korean/Chinese problem free mass market product off the shelf. So far, digging into release notes, there is no relief for these problems...which makes me wonder...

@peinu: Yes it seem to duplicate my gmail contacts too, AND link them wildly, it just does so without even asking. Its devilish and quite the biggest usability problem with the whole device. If the basic phone function is flawed, every other aspect of having a smartphone falls to the ground. Accidentally breaking the glass with such a repair cost could easiliy be the reason to abandon it for good.

This FInnish summer is very long! We are at the end of Semptember and nothing happened! I'm fed up

@michdeskunk Fed up? In never fails to amaze me how people take things for granted :) I don't mind if Jolla postpones it till November to ensure greater quality. Yes, I am impatient as well, but I probably lack your way of thinking. They've announced _10_ days ago they need few more weeks, yet you are angry for no obvious reason.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about, after all we're talking about a firmware still in beta.

...oh wait...

Any chance to also have a full image to reflash? You know that a multi step online update every time we do a factory reset is not a great solution... please!!

Not a great solution, but recovery image in my phone was updated when my phone was sent to Optima for repair.

One day we'll get basic functions like folder creation, being able to select destination for photos, being able to add personalised ringtones...

Maybe they're being saved for Jolla II

Maybe they'll never appear just to keep Jolla as "unlike" as possible

? ...you can create folders, add personal ringtones...

So, any news of the update starting to roll out to users?

@Grunt: My guess is that they are very hard at work right now, earlier rleases has come very surprising and without any notice. I am also extremely impatient, but I guess it will come when it comes. Guess we shouldn't disturb daddy when he's concentrated on driving, it just makes him unfocused and mad.

Yeah, but if they promise to release the update in september then they should keep their promise. I know they still have time to release the update today, but if they have to postpone the release 'til the last hours of the month, it just gives the impression that the update might be unfinished. In that case they should just delay the release and inform well before hand that they can't keep their earlier promise.

My excitement from 1-5 where 5 is the maximum :)

1 changes to the forward and backward indicator glow
1 Accounts framework has undergone a fair amount of unification
2 App dialogs have been redesigned
1 Search support in media player (good that it is beeing fixed)
1 Copy unsaved numbers from call log (good that it is beeing fixed)
1 Finer control to enable/disable AGPS assistance
2 Automatically save draft emails on page exit (good that it is beeing fixed)
1 Fix to a bug which caused camera to overwrite captured media (good that it is beeing fixed)
1 Simplified startup wizard flow
2 Improved Homescreen performance and Sailfish application memory use
3 Browser engine update to Gecko 31
2 Fix to WLAN disconnect issue while roaming due to RSN IE mismatch (good that it is beeing fixed)
2 Internet interface MTU resized (good that it is beeing fixed)

Hope some of these are fixed https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/page:1/

I still think that system wide C&P is the missing feature...Hope it will be introduced soon.

What is C&P?

copy and paste

ah, yes, Missing here and there. But yesterday I pasted an url into the Terminal, copy taken from the webbrowser. I was a little surprised because I thought that wouldn't work with fingerterm (or was that complaint for pre-Tahkalampi?), but well, obviously it works now.

If it's not today, all I'd like to see is Jolla informing their users about it, and maybe sharing a new schedule

it does not matter if it takes alittle bit longer, i am sure they are doing a good job!

@simo: Yes that what I said too, we have be informed if there's any delay. But I think that informing about delay after the supposed release date is just plain wrong, and it isn't any better if the info comes during the day there was supposed to be an update. What I'm trying to say is that they should not raise too much hype for things if they aren't going to inform about us about possible delays and problems. I have supported Jolla during the whole year I've been using their phone, but especially this case of Younited being an android app just pisses me: if that had been informed well before hand instead of letting the people expect that there would be a native app, there wouldn't be any feeling of being let down.

My understanding is that "Uitukka" release was delayed due bash's shellshock vulnerability.

they said it would come this month. Not many days left!

And couple hours ago they said that it won't come today.

Thanks for the update! It arrived in the last hours, but glad you shared, now patiently waiting again :)

Well, this is exactly the kind of situation I was talking about earlier: instead of update we get delay announcement about two hours before the supposed deadline. Couldn't they see this coming any earlier? The fact that I've been sick all day and have had nothing else to do other than waiting this update might get me a little too frustrated, but still I think it should informed well beforehand if there is any delay...

@Grunt: Life's a b*atch ;)

My guess? updates 9 and 10 together.

No point in sticking to artificial man made deadlines and releasing defective code. Complex software systems are no respecters of scheduled release dates. It is just a question of waiting patently or not until it is ready:)

Some estimate or aproximation date, or I have to check every half hour in case the update is already here? Please, have mercy!

only this poors fixed after 3 months??? -_-

A lot of users don't receive notifications when they have a new voicemail, this should be priority number one: https://together.jolla.com/question/8779/no-notification-when-new-voicemail

I don't understand why you guys would get so upset about the notification of delay coming in a few hours or even 1-2 days later or earlier. Let's be honest. I wait for the update as something I look forward to, like getting home and having a delicious chocolate cake waiting on the table, baked by someone who really knows how to make the best chocolate cakes around. I keep waiting for the cake to be ready, I get home and dammit, no cake. Well, that's certainly a disappointment. Just don't be like little kids about it (I myself did partake in that concert a little bit when waiting for the Jolla itself to be delivered - at christmas!). Nothing reeeeeeeeaaally important depends on this update's arrival date, like you're gonna lose money, fall sick, your friends will hate you for it or anything, am I right? It's just that ... waiting for the chocolate cake. Be strong, we can do it!

I don't want any stinking chocolate cake. Where is the update?

@baptx official policy is to give priority to the most voted-for features here on TJC. That issue already has a pretty high number, so I'm sure it has Jolla's attention. You could try and attract attention to it in other Jolla forums and linking to it in similar TJC-threads where appropriate. However, many users (like me) don't miss this feature because they get sent a notif. sms by their mobile carrier upon incoming voicemail.

@bennypr0fane Seriously? The most voted-for features are not the most important. So if I understand, if the Jolla phone couldn't send SMS, and if the number of votes is small, nobody in Jolla team will work on this feature! If I knew that, I'll never bought a Jolla, I only want a phone with at least the features of a basic mobile phone, that's not the case...

Update available now!!

a hotfix is not an update!

Sorry, my bad! My Jolla showed that an update was available and I got excited that Uitukka was finally available!

@Vinodh, change this answer into a comment?

@bennypr0fane – "official policy"? I'm not aware of Jolla ever stating that the most voted issues will be top priority. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the vote numbers are just giving information to Jolla about what the users would like to see, but they're not making priority decisions solely on that.

(On the other hand, @TellienInTouch, if Jolla couldn't send SMS, I'm sure that question would be the most voted here.)

@ssahla I think you're right, it's just an example and it wasn't the case with MMS feature :)

Wow just around corner means its at least month away, freaking great.

I think we have to wait a little more than "just around the corner", even more now that 1.0.8.21 has been rolled out with security fixes.

Any plans to implement wpa2 enterprise functionality? Missing feature since ages :(

I suppose we will have a "big update that merges September and October updates". Maybe Jolla should patent that great technique that allows them to provide half of the promised updates.

Not really an answer, more like a comment (to which you should convert it to). If you miss a feature, fill a new 'question' here or vote for a current one if it already exists.

And btw, wpa2 enterprise (namely eduroam) works fine with a workaround.

@Cazou maybe they will merge 9, 10 and 11, who knows?

maybe for most people it is working but not for me and i asked twice for help. there needs to be a working simple solution, thats it. i mean it worked with the patched version of wpa supplicant for me and since 1.0.8 it does not even when people tell that it is implemented

they can solve it easily... fire 3-4 from the marketing team... with saved money you can hire double that in the engineering team and things will be delivered on time... last time when I heard in february something will be soon released, it took till middle july...

@Cazou you are right. The most frustrating thing in all this is the complete lack of information from Jolla. They should maybe take example on Riot Games as a company for communication? These surely don't provide ETA in the far future for their game new features, but at least when they promise something, they do it. And they began from nothing either... Their most powerful advantage is the communication they have with their community. They listen, they communicate, they act. On the other hand, Jolla has been silently cancelling its promises, about truly open phone or monthly update. Never felt as screwed as now by this company; it screws its users as much as Apple but with a worst device/software according to me. And every new failure as this update that never comes just confirms me they won't get any better. If they continue like this, I don't give them more than 3 years to survive. Having beard-wearing fanboys defending them is one thing, the real market is another one. A 399€ phone.

@bennypr0fane We won't loose money but we hope that reboots or quick battery drain will be fixed (or improved) so that we don't loose calls. Our friends won't hate us but they will make fun of us when our phone cannot connect to the university Wifi network easily or when we need to reconnect our GMail account again to read the e-mail they just sent us. We were promised a cake, we paid for it, we would like to have it now, and not some cake that doesn't taste anything.

I just hope, that the phone becomes stable and in a reasonable state; so it actually can be used as a phone on everyday basis.

There are far too many issues and glitches as it is today. Sadly.

I hope these things will be fixed also: WLAN. It's still not ok. I still got vague problems with connections. At this moment 3G feels better or the same than WLAN. Speed, battery-usage and stability should be better with WLAN, but it isn't.

No control of bluetooth-volume or pushing sound to speaker: When navigating, the spoke instructions are pushed to my carkit. Volume is way too high, I've no influence on it. Disabling bluetooth is no option (ergo handsfree). Navigation is useless in a car with carkit. And it's really easy to solve. Make it possible to push sound of certain apps over the speaker, not bluetooth.

Decent SD-card support. There are still several issues, like max file size due to filesystem, read/writespeed on pc, no support for sd-card for Android. These are basic functionalities, Android phones could handle this better years ago!

I really hope this will fixed. These issues are really disappointing me. These issues aren't too hard to solve and they would make the phone a LOT more useful. It's disappointing, because even after 4 updates, things are still not fixed.

@magullo 9, 10 and 11 ? Doctor Who ? :D (Ok, that's Off Topic, Sorry)

Delayed updates? All I got from my previous phone manufacturer was two updates and that was it. So delayed updates is better than no updates. Jolla is not truly open? Well, it's more open than my old phone supplier ever was. Lack of communication? The only answer I got from my old phone supplier when I had problems was "Do a factory reset". For me Jolla's track record up to now justifies my decision to buy their phone. Looking forward to the next update, when it's ready!!

Thanks for updates, Jolla! Looking forward to batterylife improvements, spare battery and official clever TOHs availability.

sure, but I bet your previous phone didn't ship as a beta device targeting enthusiasts with promises of later added functionality

@icebox, let me think about that :)

• Apple: the first versions of iPhone were barely usable, like concept devices missing most of the usability present in the so-called "dumbphones" of the era. /check
• Android: the first versions of Android were barely usable, like concept devices missing most of the usability present in the so-called "dumbphones" of the era. /check
• WP7: the first versions of Lumia devices were barely usable, like concept devices missing most of the usability present in the so-called "dumbphones" of the era. /check
• WP8: the current versions of Lumia devices still are barely usable, like concept devices missing most of the usability present in the so-called "dumbphones" of the era. /check

Now what's the difference when you compare these to SFOS? I honestly have to say only the fact that Jolla proudly declared that their device is BETA! The other vendors didn't tell you that you are getting a half-baked-unfinished-maybe-someday-working device.

Makes you put things in perspective, huh? :)

On the other hand: Don't feed the trolls! \m/

You are mostly right, but those first devices also received more than 1-2 updates.

Also WP7 and WP8 are very usable devices if one moves past preconceptions about Microsoft. My wife has one of the cheapest lumia devices and it does everything my jolla does (smartphone wise - not hacking and tinkering wise)

My point was that it's expected of a beta device to receive multiple updates fixing broken stuff and adding functionality. The fact that some vendors @#$% users and don't deliver those is no excuse - I hold Jolla to a higher ideal - if I didn't trust them on those ideals I wouldn't have payed nexus 5 money on a average (quality and specs) phone

@juiceme do not forget that Jolla last June(?) release removed the term BETA!

@icebox Jolla removed the BETA sign from SailfishOS. Not sure the device it self could ever be characterized as BETA.

I just think that the most basic features, as calling and texting. And reconnecting properly in low reception areas should be at least working. Even though its BETA.

My experience is that, through each update, things is only getting worse in terms of stability.

@icebox: a friend of mine owns a Lumia device, no idea if it runs WP7 or WP8, but after seeing him struggle with it for 3 months, I can safely say it's a piece of shit. Connection is constantly dropped, and the only way to fix it is by rebooting. The connection even kills itself when the phone is just lying on a table next to the router. No explanation, no fix, not ever. At least the connman/... issues can be explained, and will be fixed in due time (there are lots of connection problem fixes in update 9 and 10).

@arnbak the device is as beta as I ever saw one - at least the battery holder :) @nthn one device is a small statistical sample :) though it sounds your friend needs to repair his device, his issues have nothing to do with windows

@icebox no it just a very very very badly designed piece of hardware.

Connection issues are software related, not hardware related. The hardware could be terrible for all I know, but a connection that just kills itself is a bug and as such is due to WP being the digital equivalent of a turd.

please stop this. You don't make one product better by saying how bad another one is. The same goes if you label something '1.0','beta', 'alpha'. I follow this topic to get information on update 9.

Can we get some new info, please? question goes: How long is the corner? :)

Yes, please inform patient customers. What is the current estimation for the release? Is it still 10th release candidate?

Seriously Jolla, just around the corner? Could you please at least give us some fresh information, aren't we supposed to be in this "together"?

Disappointtining. You are starting to look like the others, really not Unlike.

Hope to see the update these days... :)

Convinced it's gonna be a good release! To be honest, in the end we should be glad that they hold on to it until things are working. But, they Jolla might want to change that official goal to keep monthly releases, it's just not holding up.

@Larswad

It probably was/is a big change to move to Qt5.2. Bugs can happen and can throw you way out of your schedule.

I'm not saying anything about the quality of the release, it's about the lack of communication. No one forced them to commit to a monthly release schedule, it's a self chosen goal. We wouldn't mind them saying that they want to skip a monthly release to save some release preparation time and deliver bigger improvements faster in the end. But once you set a release date by yourself and share it with the community, keep to your word. Say what you do, do what you say. That would really be Unlike!

And if you occasionally fail to meet a release (shit can happen) then just keep the community updated once a week. It would take 3 minutes once a week for someone to honestly tell us exactly where they are. That would also be Unlike.

We're just asking for honesty, transparency, openness. Values are the main point many of us thought would make Jolla Unlike.

Re "communications":

Jolla can only communicate what they know themselves. Communicating estimates and internal schedules they believed in brought them into the situation of being accused as "liars" and such, now that they missed their goals.

A lot of people seem to miss the point: They cannot possibly know when they'll release the update as long as they have to fight bugs in their internal release candidates. Last thing we knew was that they were at RC 12 - and there's no way to tell how many more they'll need. The next RC can already be the finished thing... Or it can bring a bug to their attention that they had missed so far and cause further delays. What good would it be to repeat twice a week "We are at release candidate x now and hope it'll be ready for rollout"? All of you would take this not as "improved communication", but as "broken promises". (While it's neither of those: It's no useful information and no promise, either.)

The problem is that this is no longer just a simple GSM type phone. It is a mobile computer eco system that happens to make phone calls as well. It is very easy to underestimate the difficulty and complexity involved in developing a new computer system OS as exampled by the continuous bug fixes by Microsoft and Apple. Just look at the recent IOS fiasco and that from the worlds richest company with virtually unlimited technical resources. If Apples money fails to produce a working IOS than Jolla with its resources has worked miracles.

Sure everyone wants their bugs fixed yesterday but Jolla cannot afford to issue a release then have to roll it back like Apple had to. Fortunately Jolla's customers are mostly technically proficient and can offer great assistance with testing and fault finding and in general understand the issues in developing an OS.

Based on previous progress there is every expectation that the next release will squash a few more bugs and hopefully not introduce more new ones. In the early stages obvious faults are simpler to fix. As remaining faults are are more complex so there will be a longer time required to fix these and customers need to understand this and make allowances for delays.

I wonder where the corner is?!?!?!?

Lol, this is not the kind of answer I normally put, but it reminds me of the myriad of mobile phone forums I've been a member of, where people are so keen and eager to get the next update, almost like drug addicts, anticipating their next hit/score/buzz.

When did any of you last set up a company with hundreds of employees?,

When did any of you last get 100 people or more to collaborate with 100% success?,

When did any of you have a go at competing with the major tech players that employ thousands of highly skilled staff?,

When did any of you make a major software/app contribution to your beloved Jolla phone instead of coming on here and moaning about the same old thing " we expect, we want, we need" - well, there's your problem, expectations, wants and needs, regardless of what Jolla team says, you have to be realistic about end goals and the journey in between times.

I've been following Jolla since the word go, personally, I am amazed at what they have achieved so far.

Perhaps it is an age thing, where I no longer care when the next update is (go buy a handset from one of the major players if you are simply looking for that OOBE and quit cloggin up JTC with your 'wants').

Better still, get programming and be a part of the COMMUNITY, make a contribution, quit belly-aching about every aspect and certainly no need for name calling of staff, they didn't ask you to buy their product and so what if they change their minds/routes on where their company is going - grow up!

The corner, @andreas1 is just around the next corner along the way, you know, like the sign in your local pub that says FREE BEER TOMORROW - so no matter when you ask, it will always be tomorrow!

FREE BEER TOMORROW!

@Markkyboy, you spoke well. Salute.

@Markkyboy: There's a dutch saying that says "the best steersman are on the edge (like in beach, or quay)". Whoever isn't in the same situation or hasn't been shouldn't be commenting. BUT! Does it also mean they can't have an opinion? Or one that makes sense? I don't think so. There are still wifi issues. At the beginning there were issues in certain situation or after a certain period. When wifi was used instead of 3G, it was faster, took less batterydrain and was quite stable. Nowadays it's not. Batteryusage is mediocre to bad with wifi, it's not stable, it's not (as) fast (as it used to be). I've tried and tried to address this (for about half a year), but it's like I'm talking to a wall. You can come up with a lot of arguments, what I'm talking about are still facts and at the end it's still not solved. After some updates you begin to lose confidence. Really if you see the forward and backward indicator glow will be changed (???), or a "fix to WLAN disconnect issue while roaming due to RSN IE mismatch" will be implemented (???), but when are the real problems solved? Battery drain, heating of the back around the camera, random shutdowns and the wifi issues? I've ditched my Samsung Galaxy S3 because of the non-logic with updates. I hope it's not the same here... And with all your arguments: with a company of hundreds of employees, 100+ people with 100% succes (or is it ‰ ?), trying to compete the big players, why isn't it able to address the REAL ISSUES? Is it really that much asked?

@RobNas - This 'steersman' hears what you're saying. You are quick to assume I have no problems with the day-to-day running of my Jolla phone - but I do, therefore, I have a voice, I have said what I feel, despite flouting TJC rules about not clogging up JTC with idle chat/differences of opinion - but here we are. I mean no offence to yourself or anyone else here at JTC.

Perhaps you should email Jolla directly and ask them why they, the staff, are unable to address 'real issues' - I cannot answer that in full, I don't work for Jolla and many would do well to remember how much Jolla phone and SailfishOS is really all still in BETA (I disagree with Jolla announcing SailfishOS as out of BETA), but I'm not moaning about it or demanding updates as I think they should be rolled out.

Again, Jolla phone is still in development and having been a member of many forums from the word, go, I see the same thing, a minority contributing and the majority, moaning and demanding!, I want, I want, I NEED?? <------Need?, you need food, warmth and shelter, nobody ultimately needs the next update or CalDAV to survive - it's a phone, a handheld computer, it's new and is still developing, much like a child.

So you ditched your Samsung, as that doesn't meet your needs either. What about iPotato, everyone loves an iPotato, are they without problems?, or a Nokia X/Lumia - that everyone moans about, first Symbian and all their nonsense, MeeGo and it's lack of development/burned platform - Sorry RobNas, I could rattle on for hours about all this, I'm sure you have input as well, but this isn't helping you, myself or anyone else.

Let's agree to disagree...?, as we say here in the UK.

Vriendelijke groeten,

in my opinion you cannot promise something a month ago and now tell us, we are working on 10th release to make 9th more stable.... after that we tell us "we are working on 11th release to make 10th stable..." it is absurd! We are waiting for July. Then work to make available 9th release and after working on a new release; improve the essential apps before make a new updates. I regretted to have been one of the first to have bought Jolla; I have spent 50euro more thant it costs now and what it's worth

Update 9 is available as opt-in. See https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/