[Wiki] Suggestions for J3 - a smaller phone [not relevant]

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There are lots of wishes here at TJC for a smaller phone. The next phone from Jolla (let's call it J2) will probably be the same size as J1. But if a smaller one would be conceived, what would make it different from both J1 and the still secret J2? ...and why?

Please focus on only one difference in each answer, OK?

The third phone
The suggestions for a smaller phone are not intended for the next Jolla phone (J2). Instead they are meant for a phone to complement it. The two phones should have similar capabilities but one would of course have to be adjusted to cope with the limitations of a smaller size.

That is why the smaller concept phone now has the nickname J3.

Battery time
A current survey revealed that a majority of mobile phone users want a longer battery time, even if the phone needs to be thicker to accommodate the larger battery volume. An answer for battery has been added for that reason.

Rumours of a new small iPhone
The rumours of a smaller apple phone were true and that device, the iPhone SE, is selling very well.

Still hoping

Jolla will not build the J3 as the company focus is software now. Yet I still hope that some company will build a phone with a four inch display. The ladies of my family (both young and mature) still have hands smaller than mine and still wait for a Sailfish OS device that would be small enough for them. There is a fairly strong market in the sub-5-inch sector and there should at least be one device available there with Sailfish OS. Don't you agree?

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I am not looking for a smaller SailfishOS, will not purchase a smaller Jolla. So I vote against.

WilliePre ( 2014-10-10 18:46:59 +0300 )edit

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@WilliePre
Then you should vote for your favourite in the Jolla 2nd hardware suggestions. I did. :) The J2 will probably be the same size as the current device.

vattuvarg ( 2014-10-10 19:03:15 +0300 )edit

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Has it occurred to anyone that if you reduce the form factor, then you reduce the battery size - which means you reduce the battery life ...

strongm ( 2014-10-10 21:23:05 +0300 )edit

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Sure, but then they'd be bucking against current design goals of keeping phones thin (Galaxy S4 7.9mm, iPhone 5 7.6mm). Frankly, the current Jolla is a bit of a fatty. And let's be honest. ALL smartphones could benefit from better battery life, and that could be addressed in ALL phones by making them thicker. Yet no-one does ...

strongm ( 2014-10-11 14:50:12 +0300 )edit

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A phone thinner than that would be possible with a slimmer camera module and a more efficient SoC. The trend for slim phones is partially explained by the fact that most people have their phones in protective cases.

vattuvarg ( 2014-10-11 15:05:06 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-10-26 09:40:50 +0300

Ghost

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i would like it to be the screen size to be the same and it should have a design like the nokia n9

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What about the hardware inside? Any thoughts on that?

vattuvarg ( 2014-10-26 09:56:18 +0300 )edit

hardware seems to be okay by this right? in a phone what reason to be increase in the hardware... if there needs to be a hardware upgrade..

camera can be upgraded... waterproof and dust proof amoled display for glance screen the bezels should be shortened.. faster processors just not to increase the budget of the phone. camera shutter key would be really handy..

Ghost ( 2014-10-26 10:55:12 +0300 )edit

Both volume buttons can be used as shutters on J1.

Thanks for answering my questions. Your answers are in line with what most people wish for in a smaller Jolla. ...but the devil is in the details, as usual.

vattuvarg ( 2014-10-26 11:59:55 +0300 )edit

yeah but the camera shutter could be used to launch the camera easily.. take j out off the pocket press it click photos instantly...

Ghost ( 2014-10-26 12:30:29 +0300 )edit

Don't you use the pulley menu to get to the camera?

vattuvarg ( 2014-10-26 13:14:39 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-10-27 17:09:55 +0300

Ghost

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the next jolla or the j2 must be waterproof and dustproof because the thing is that living in india the phone will be prone to dust and water frequently..

since the jolla company is the ex-employers of the nokia ... nokia devices are to be sturdy no matter what the conditions are .. even the nokia lumia was so sturdy that in one report that it was stuck between the rocks at the side of the river. and the one who found that dried and used it and it really worked as a normal phone and it was really durable for daily use. even though it was covered in a layer of salt..

since the nokia phones are durable even though they are not waterproof or dustproof certified they were durable and even if it falls down or gets apart .. those devices still work...

my brother is having a nokia lumia 925. it is really durable and a good sturdiness.

that is what the next phone is that to have a good rigid phone to be durable enough thats all :) happy sailing..

given to that sailors should and must have a durable phone to BON VOYAGE!!!!!! :)

updated 2014-11-09 22:03:08 +0300

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A water repellent treatment should be used. The smaller phone is a tool to rely on and would thus benefit from the extra cost of the coating. Dustproofing is harder to do and might not be necessary.

vattuvarg ( 2014-10-27 18:44:54 +0300 )edit

The J1 seems to do fine with me. ...and I powdercoat stuff for a living...

vattuvarg ( 2014-11-29 14:30:06 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-11-09 22:02:09 +0300

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nightmare

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more versetile notification led controller, capable of(without cpu usage):

breathing
all functions with all rgb colors
alternating color flash

updated 2014-11-29 14:50:48 +0300

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Sounds like a good idea, even with the info on the amoLED display.

Where would you place the LED?

vattuvarg ( 2014-11-09 23:03:56 +0300 )edit

from a useres perspective top front, next to the jolla1 proximity sensor. but i don't know if this is a smart idea, it could interfere with front cam and/or light sensor

nightmare ( 2014-11-09 23:48:54 +0300 )edit

One possible location for the notification LED would be in the gap between the halves and between the USB and audio connectors?

vattuvarg ( 2014-11-29 14:23:03 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-11-29 14:39:34 +0300

pulsar
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Recycle iPhone 4 or iPhone 5 screens

Unique screens with high resolution.

updated 2014-11-29 14:40:51 +0300

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answered 2014-11-29 14:40:51 +0300

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Operating System

Sailfish OS 2.x
Gesture based user experience.

updated 2015-01-22 15:12:37 +0300

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Where to put the shortcuts for settings seems to be a problem for a smaller screen than a tablet.

vattuvarg ( 2015-03-06 12:20:21 +0300 )edit

I would like to see them on top of the Events Screen (pulled from left/right). And preferrably pinned, if the maximum number is 4, but if it remains as it is that you can have > 4 favourites, then it should scroll with the text IMHO.

raketti ( 2015-03-06 13:12:41 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-01-22 15:09:04 +0300

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Modularity

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The smaller phone would offer a perfect possibility to use a modular approach, like Puzzlephone.

This would result in one series of TOH phones and another series based on modularity.

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After MWC215: A modular design would allow for easy battery swapping and SIM card access.

vattuvarg ( 2015-03-08 13:59:41 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-02-15 21:20:55 +0300

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For me the wish for a smaller Jolla is the fact that I mostly have my phones in my jeans front pocket, and this phone is just to big and sharp for that. I don't use any handbags or smart slingbags, I don't like to carry my phone in my hand nor do I like to place it on the table when I sit down. My phone should stay in my pocket until I need it. This is my biggest concern with the Jolla.

updated 2015-03-06 11:35:11 +0300

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If the J3 goes modular then it could have a different shape.

Any suggestions?

vattuvarg ( 2015-02-15 23:09:56 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-03-06 11:35:11 +0300

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Battery

The J3 should have a user-replaceable battery.

For extended standby times the easiest solution seems to be an external USB battery pack. This solution works well for phones with built-in batteries too. But batteries wear out. Carrying an external battery pack is no solution for a battery going old and tired. Sending your phone to a service point is a more complicated solution than ordering a replacement part.