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Mitakuuluu, stop using immediately

asked 2014-10-31 17:27:40 +0300

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updated 2015-03-24 07:39:12 +0300

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Everyone, if you are using Mitakuuluu, stop using it immediately. Whatsapp has started blocking numbers of people that are using it.

Go support : RT @iCODeRUS: Some news about Mitakuuluu development:

http://t.co/CNXAzV1ZKM

#Jolla

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I've never had a Facebook account but that, and Whatsapp, is what I would have opted out if I did... If what you say is true.

eson ( 2014-10-31 17:58:21 +0300 )edit
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Aaaah, the joys of relying on closed systems with a single point of failure... I so informed you thusly. ;)

ossi1967 ( 2014-10-31 18:40:50 +0300 )edit
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Somee accs were blocked due to protocol changes and not because of 'using an unofficial client'. So stop to scare the users pls.

Alex ( 2014-10-31 20:42:33 +0300 )edit
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Whatsapp does infact mention in their FAQ that using unofficial clients is not accepted. That the protocol differences were triggering alerts is another thing entirely. It's even possible they've added some quirks to the protocol to catch unofficial clients too.

clau ( 2014-10-31 23:48:35 +0300 )edit

Has anyone who has paid to use WhatsApp been banned? I was previously under the impression that regardless of minor irregularities on client side, if you were on a paying account, their policy was don't-care. If paying accounts were blocked ... there may have been a recent change in policy. I was on the 'bad' iteration of Mitakuuluu when others were being banned, and I wasn't banned, and have a paid account.

midnightoil ( 2014-11-01 19:18:44 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-11-01 16:53:11 +0300

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Maybe is time to start porting Telegram https://core.telegram.org/api or TOX https://wiki.tox.im/Main_Page to SailfishOS. If a developer jumps in, I'm ready to pay for her/his efforts.

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There is also qt library for telegram https://code.launchpad.net/~libqtelegram-team/libqtelegram/ I've been planning on writing telegramm app for Sailfish using that library but my time is very limited.

TemeV ( 2014-11-02 12:17:58 +0300 )edit
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@TemeV, please don't start from scratch. Try to add Telegram as a backend in Mitakuuluu. Coderus has done a great job with, and it looks like most features (at least from the user perspective) are going to be the same.

clau ( 2014-11-02 15:18:23 +0300 )edit
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Uggh. Please no telegram. Haven't you learned yet? Yeah it might be somewhat more open, it might be better encrypted, but you still rely on one single party.

Fuzzillogic ( 2014-11-02 22:53:10 +0300 )edit
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@clau, I guess at least daemon needs to be written from scratch. UI side can of course be reused

@Fuzzillogic, I don't consider Telegram being more secure, but more functional than Whatsapp. I'd love to use some better alternative (e.g. xmpp with some improvements) but it would be pretty much forever alone messenger. Until some good messenger becomes mainstream we have to stick with what we have now.

TemeV ( 2014-11-03 00:45:54 +0300 )edit
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I think not Telegram, but TextSecure should be the alternative: https://together.jolla.com/question/11534/sailfish-redphone-and-textsecure-apps/

martind ( 2014-11-05 09:30:23 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-10-31 18:49:19 +0300

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I don't understand why the OP was downvoted. The information is correct, accounts have been blocked. According to a comment here someone's account was blocked with version 0.8.15 too.

This just shows how much Jolla needs to deal with (push) notifications for Android apps. If Mitakuuluu becomes unusable, there're very few alternatives to use (XMPP which is not suitable for mobile usage - you lose messages when connection drops - and Facebook?). I may have to switch to another phone, sadly, just to have push notifications of some sort.
At the least, Android notifications should become first class citizen. Apps like Telegram do work in background and provide notifications in Events screen, but there's no sound, nor LED activity AFAIK.
Another option is for Jolla to deal directly with some app developers (Whatsapp, Telegram, Viber, Line etc) to help them provide proper versions for Jolla Android environment.

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I second Android notifications. Also note: - Although the developer has submitted on github a possible solution, no one has yet confirmed that it has worked for them. In other words, everyone has sent email to unblock to whatsapp, but no one has confirmed that they were unblocked - Even if you get unblocked, I am not sure if continued use to mitakuuluu will not result in you getting blocked again

Aashish ( 2014-10-31 19:24:23 +0300 )edit
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i would not back idea of any further development in android shell. as that would just further make it more android and close doors for native apps as they will say, we have android app running on sailfish nicely, why should we develop native?

ayush ( 2014-10-31 19:41:48 +0300 )edit

I recommend to stop using Mitakuuluu immediately- it seems that WhatsApp is not going to unblock the blocked numbers without a considerable effort. I got an answer (see https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/278#issuecomment-61330156) but they did not unblock me. For more information, see the link.

skvark ( 2014-11-01 00:04:48 +0300 )edit

I confirm I got blocked and was using Mitakuuluu.

Nicolas ( 2014-11-01 05:57:44 +0300 )edit

@Nicolas, please report it here and send the logs to Coderus. Hopefully he will be able to figure out why your account has been blocked and fix the protocol stack.

clau ( 2014-11-01 11:39:56 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-01 02:06:19 +0300

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WhatsApp, stop using immediately

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we need an alternative service though. I mean a native app

michel ( 2014-11-01 02:54:55 +0300 )edit
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i am ready to stop using it, make my friends ready.

ayush ( 2014-11-01 06:14:26 +0300 )edit
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@ayush that's your job to convince them. This stunt of whatsapp is simply yet another example you can use, to show them why you should really avoid those proprietary, closed systems.

I have a few basic rules for just about any internet service: 1) I must be able to host it myself, if I want to. (I could host my e-mail myself, if I want to.). 2) The service must be decentralized, and thus no single entity in total control, no single point of failure. (XMPP and e-mail complies with these rules)

Fuzzillogic ( 2014-11-02 22:50:34 +0300 )edit

I got banned instantly after installing an update proposed by Mitäkuuluu. Have got the same (lame) message from WA support, but I'm not willing to beg for mercy on my knees before them. In my initial message, I stated that they have not released a native Sailfish app, so there is no reason to block Mitäkuuluu users. Got their response.. first it made me laugh my ss off. Then it made me mad as hll.

I too vote for open standards. The app should be available on multiple platforms, Android being the most important alien OS. And about running servers that was mentioned somewhere in this dizcussion -- I run a Linux VPS that can be used for testing. And, maybe one day we could see new business emerging. The future of Internet is here. Okay, let's cool down a little.. I'm not holding my breath :)

JuhaP ( 2014-11-04 21:58:09 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-01 14:48:23 +0300

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updated 2014-11-02 13:55:30 +0300

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Just send my 3rd mail to WA, 2of them trough the official app. I do find their responce quite cute; we are beeing banned because our unnofficial client is possibly passing our info to 3rd parties... I for one doubt that, and i suspect it beeing the other way around; because we are using a unofficial client they cannot sell our personal info to 3rd parties ;)

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do you have a paid prescription

teun ( 2014-11-04 12:51:26 +0300 )edit

Not that i am aware of. I just send another mail from within the app...

XiliX ( 2014-11-04 16:28:59 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-03 22:11:00 +0300

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After 4 persistant days of follow ups with Whatsapp support, I have finally got my number unblocked. I am now on the android version of whatsapp. Though it works, there are a number of issues like whatsapp contacts not visible, no notification sounds, etc. But I really dont have a choice for now. I really wish I could continue using Mitakuuluu. That was such an amazing experience.

When I think about it, reports of whatsapp blocking accounts started after the developer released the latest version (v-0.8.15-4). The version was released with a note that the version has not been tested. I am wondering if there was something in that version that alerted whatsapp and triggered the wave of bans. If so, I really hope coderus can find out what it is and release a fix so that we can go back to using it. Until then (and until whatsapp step back on their monitoring), its the half baked experience of the Andorid app

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Hi I stopped using mitakuuluu as you and switched to android - whatsapp Just a tipp for notifications(it is mentioned somewhere but dont remember where..): You have to leave the whatsapp-window open and also install an android app that sets notification sounds. Just download one and set a sound for the notification. You are done.

TK ( 2014-11-03 22:21:23 +0300 )edit

Great news! :) Can you please tell us more about how you managed to get unblocked?

Nicolas ( 2014-11-03 22:21:58 +0300 )edit
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@Nicolas, I kept following up with them on a daily basis to get the account unblocked. They needed proof that I will be using an official account which I provided by sending an email from within the Andorid app.

Aashish ( 2014-11-03 22:27:28 +0300 )edit

@Aashish Thanks, I wrote 3 days ago but still no reply. Good to know that I'll eventually get unblocked! ;)

Nicolas ( 2014-11-03 22:32:52 +0300 )edit

@TK can you tell me the name of the app fot notifications?

Aashish ( 2014-11-04 01:42:48 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-01 15:04:20 +0300

Kevin gravatar image

Okay, I'm fed up with Whatsapp. If they don't want my money after the free trial time, I won't insist.

So any suggestions for alternatives that allow me to run a native Sailfish client and that are featureful and cross-platform enough that I can recommend them to friends using other OSes with a clear conscience?

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There´s no native Sailfish client, and I really wonder why no app developer have started to take a look at the Open WisperSystems RedPhone and TextSecure. Unless there are problems that I've never heard of, this looks like a suitable Sailfish app project, to me.

eson ( 2014-11-01 15:27:10 +0300 )edit
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When I tried to use the Android version of TestSecure on Sailfish some months ago, it didn't work reliably (often didn't receive messages at all or only days later). If they had a C library, I might actually have tried putting a native UI on top, but translating the whole thing from Java or Objective C sounds like a bit too much for a project on the side (at least on my own) when I just want to use it.

And even if I were that bored, perhaps the time would be better spent for some decent XMPP client.

Kevin ( 2014-11-01 16:26:59 +0300 )edit
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@Kevin Ok, I'm not a developer, so I have no idea how much work it would take or how difficult it would be porting TextSecure to Sailfish. It was just a reflection over the fact that we need a native privacy protected im/voip client that are available on all platforms. Android, iOS, SailfishOS and preferable, also Windows Phone. Being the only Jolla user in my social circle, I have the same problem as everyone else in this community... I'm forced to use something barely functioning android stuff, if I want to communicate. It's getting pretty frustrating. ;)

eson ( 2014-11-01 19:56:52 +0300 )edit

Perhaps Fleep (www.fleep.io) guys are interested in building a native Jolla versioon, with a help of community?

Lauri Laanemets ( 2014-11-01 20:02:38 +0300 )edit
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@Lauri Laanemets: I think Open Source would be prefered. ;)

eson ( 2014-11-02 11:25:42 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-23 15:07:55 +0300

William gravatar image

You like(d) Mitakuuluu? Support the creator here on Indiegogo.

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answered 2014-11-06 10:12:21 +0300

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Take a look at this GitHub WhatsAPI takedown notice https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2014-02-12-WhatsApp.md They have been after 3rd party apps before.

Btw, the description of how WhatsApp works is also very interesting. Take an open standard, add your own flavours and lock users in. Seen this happen too many times.

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answered 2014-10-31 18:32:11 +0300

Install android whatsapp, try to register here, after getting blocked notification email to whatsapp support and ask to unblock you, because you used official android client, and never tell them you used mitakuuluu http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1444939&postcount=1647

See https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/278

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answered 2014-11-04 12:54:56 +0300

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Do any of the blocked users have a paid acount? Think you will not get blocked if you have a paid whatsapp acount. I have one and will start using mitakuuluu just to check

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Mine is a paid account as well (even though it's a lifetime one). Still using Mitakuuluu.

alain ( 2014-11-04 13:58:06 +0300 )edit

I have a free account and as mentioned above I have now been unbanned. Please let us know after a few days if you are able to use mitakuuluu without getting banned.

Aashish ( 2014-11-04 15:40:09 +0300 )edit

I was banned, then I paid the account through mitakuuluu register, but I am still banned

estatarde ( 2014-11-05 16:46:23 +0300 )edit

Still on mitakuuluu, not blocked yet. have paid account but allready found people with paid accounts who have bren banned so that doesn't matter . also using the android app is not a guarantee to not being banned. found that people are being banned for using an unsupported device... this meams imo that Jolla should get involved and get in contact with whatsapp

teun ( 2014-11-07 22:11:13 +0300 )edit

what I also notice is that whatsapp is not very consistent with there banning. Here, on maemo and on twitter see loads of different notices from whatsapp..

teun ( 2014-11-07 22:14:20 +0300 )edit
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