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[Request] [Jolla Tablet] Use open drivers friendly hardware for the Jolla tablet [answered]

asked 2014-11-20 21:28:08 +0200

shmerl gravatar image

updated 2015-01-16 14:28:22 +0200

eric gravatar image

Intel SoC with Intel GPU is already a good basis, but there are still a lot of components which can be affected - accelerometer, touch screen, WiFi and etc. Please use hardware components which have open drivers (may be except for firmware which is common in WiFi and etc. but is isolated from the driver) to enable running a fully open glibc Linux stack on the tablet without dependencies on Android closed blobs.


According to @Stskeeps, Jolla won't be using Intel Mesa / KMS driver and stock kernel for the tablet. They'll use Android closed blobs from Intel with libhybris (which implies Android kernel as well). The reason for that is supposedly insufficient performance offered by the Mesa / KMS Intel driver. He didn't provide specific details on what exactly the shortcomings of the open Intel driver are, except saying that "Mesa / KMS driver is in its infancy". Any additional details about this mater are welcome.

But besides the point, if hardware would allow it, community can at least try producing version with open drivers and stock kernel without libhybris to compare performance. With time Intel open driver will improve more and more, so at some point it should hopefully offer enough performance.

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Very good idea, yes.

juiceme ( 2014-11-20 21:53:11 +0200 )edit

Yes , I completely support Shmerl's proposal. Intel is also famous for supporting FOSS by giving Open Source drivers. It would be a great move on part of Jolla to the free software community if it uses Open drivers which could be exploited by sailfish instead of the using the android blobs. Atleast there could be a choice to select "pure open drivers + Glibc" as a choice which would be a gift and "awesomeness" which give the extra edge for the tablet which many in free software community would wish for.

pavi ( 2014-11-20 22:34:37 +0200 )edit

Yes, please, totally agree and wish that Jolla Tablet will have a hw that can run true #Linux distro in it without droid-blobs or libhybris.

foss4ever ( 2014-11-21 03:41:45 +0200 )edit

It would be a great plus having the possibility of installing any regular linux distro (debian, fedora, arch, etc.) Nowdays it's pretty hard finding a decent tablet with linux support. Please, take this into account!!!

opensas ( 2014-11-21 06:08:03 +0200 )edit

Intel seems to have the best free GPU drivers. Using "android" kernel with blobs is absolute nonsence with existing such quality intel mesa drivers (with OpenGL >=4.2 expected available in two or three months). If I knew it earlier, i wouldn't support this tablet. (Not to mention buying Microsoft's exFAT license for 300 000$ of our money). In such case it is better to buy native android tablet.

Displacer ( 2014-12-05 18:33:31 +0200 )edit

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answered 2015-01-16 14:28:03 +0200

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Jolla Roadmapping Meeting - Friday 16.01.2015

Thank you for your contribution to the Jolla Tablet project!

We receive a lot of ideas and suggestions, which we are grateful for, but all of them can't be implemented. We've reviewed your idea and unfortunately it is not something we can implement, at least right now.

However, we will keep all suggestions, and might revisit this decision in the future if we see an opportunity to implement this feature-request in an upcoming product/SW release.

Best regards,
The Jolla Tablet Team

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Dear Eric , its a very bad strategy to give a generic answer for such an important aspect which reflects on the Free and Open Source community. I understand you want to close all the bulk tablet issues of which more or less are all about hardware , please go forward with it but give a "decent" reply / answer here !

pavi ( 2015-01-16 21:29:11 +0200 )edit

@pavi: We believe it's anyway better than no answer at all and we focus on SW feature requests as you have may notice. I'm not sure which kind of decent answer you expect since @Stskeeps already gave pointers that we will not be using these particular drivers. Let's see if he wants to add anything...

eric ( 2015-01-19 10:29:52 +0200 )edit

answered 2015-01-26 12:10:40 +0200

pfloyd_again gravatar image

Why should they use 'free hardware' with 'free drivers' when even the system running on the hardware isn't free.

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answered 2014-12-14 23:56:28 +0200

pisco gravatar image

I think Paul Kocialkowski is an authority regarding privacy in hardware. His first statement on Jolla tablet troubles me.

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Hello Paul.

Sandoz ( 2014-12-15 05:31:19 +0200 )edit

He sounds uninformed, so I doubt he has well formed opinion yet.

shmerl ( 2014-12-15 05:45:34 +0200 )edit

Not to pitch anything controversial here but the replicant team is / was never so warm towards sailfish os . They being the android guys , its a different platform.

pavi ( 2014-12-18 02:52:23 +0200 )edit

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