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To have an user interface which minimises bad radiation [too localized]

asked 2014-12-20 01:40:30 +0300

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updated 2015-01-29 07:55:26 +0300

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The Health property can work

  • independently of the user if Health -parameter is introduced
  • dependently of the user if user wants to minimise radiation by their behaviour. Here, the amount of approximate bad radiation to the user should be shown to user actively. For instances, case where the amount of radiation becomes high.

I propose that this project only focuses on the development of the Health -parameter. It can be used in marketing. No active involvement of the user is required; only during buying process.


The common faulty thought is that non-ionising radiation cannot cause any pathologies because it cannot damage DNA. This is wrong! Let's consider for instance only skin, its layers and radiation. Each person has skin and its different for each person. The device characterises the properties of the skin objectively. These properties are used to say when the skin is in normal histological condition or abnormal. Non-ionising radiation becomes heat through the changes in the architecture of the skin. However, these changes are felt differently by different people. This study is not going to focus on them because it is for the future and clinics. Here, I coordinate the work and try to keep it understandable. I need skip quite much here, so feel free to answer and/or comment if not understandable.

The purpose of this property would be to prevent extra and bad radiation to the user. Bad radiation is radiation which starts a pathological tissue process, most often temporary, described below. It would be nice to customise some sort of Health-user interface to Jolla phone because Jolla has the best parallel programming which I think is necessary in the application.

I have some expertise of the histology, signals and their application to the electronics in human. I can quantify the situations when the tissue structure changes temporarily to an abnormal state caused by bad radiation. It is dependent on the nature of the radiation and its amount. This abnormality can cause behaviour in tissue and surrounding nerves that is unpredictable by the common histological knowledge. It is not understood how this leads to different diseases. However, I know it is abnormal, since all characteristics of tissue change unpredictable then. You cannot do any statistical studies then when such a process has been started. The idea would be to minimise such situations. The problem why this phenomenon has not been recorded before is that there has not been an objective device or method by which you can say that such a situation exists in that and that tissue.

Finnish media about the radiation.
I understand some worries of people. One problem has been that the tissue behaviour has not been understood enough well with different signals.

Possible Collaborators

I contacted my Physics department about the possibility of doing my Master thesis on some part of this system. I want your opinion what is the most wanted feature. What do you think the topic and/or research question should be? There is a possibility of doing clinical studies later too.

Unpublished are still the histological behaviour in abnormal states and also the nature of the specific signals. To get this system forward would require coordinated work at least between Medicine, Physics, Programming and probably Electronics.

Project milestones

There can be many parts in this project.

  1. To define the objective device for quantifying the start of pathological processes in tissue (done but application for particularly for this can be improved).
  2. To define the Health -parameter.

User not actively involved:

  • to change the functioning of the device such that it does not cause signal patterns which starts the pathological process in the tissue


  • to inform the user when such pathological situations occur.

Budget of the project

The costs of the development

  • device of measurement and related tools 2000 euros
  • phone 150 euro
  • developer tools of Jolla - unknown cost
  • other costs?

Parameters and some Equations

Current Parameter for the measurement of the radiation: SAR scale (specific absorption rate, total radiation) in scale from 0.00 - 1.60:

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  • sigma is the sample electrical conductivity
  • E is the RMS electric field
  • rho is the sample density.

This parameter does not consider the nature of the signal. So the new approach would consider this also.

Parameters which affect to start the pathological process

  • nature of the signal
  • total radiation (this increases the probability of bad radiation so indirect effect to start pathological process)

By controlling the bad radiation better, the total radiation can be at higher level and faster speeds can be reached.

Possible benefits of this research

  • Less damaging radiation to tissues
  • Faster upload/download speeds can be reached
  • Marketing. No Health -parameter for radiation exists in any phone at the moment. This parameter can used to convince users about Jolla's actual benefits for users, not just technical things like parallel programming which is secondary to users. Health is primary benefit to users.

Research question. Where is the amount of bad radiation more - in upload or download speed? Hypothesis. It depends on use. If much use, then download speed is most relevant.

So the research can be focused on study of data transfer in download phase. After that it can be extended if good results.

Does Jolla community have will to develop a Health user interface to minimise the extra and bad radiation to the user? Any developer tools by which I can change the inner working of the device easily and simulate it?

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The question has been closed for the following reason "too localized" by nthn
close date 2014-12-24 12:26:14.712953


I have 2 questions for you @Masi;

  1. Can you give an example of any phone that DOES have a 'health user interface'..?

  2. Are you a Jolla owner/user..?

Spam Hunter ( 2014-12-20 13:27:51 +0300 )edit
  1. No. No one exists. 2. No. I just have theoretical understanding of Jolla's possibilities in this research.
Anon6376 ( 2014-12-24 11:59:23 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-12-20 02:34:22 +0300

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Non-ionizing radiation does not cause any permanent change to tissue except maybe some irrelevant heating. Many people have tried to find harmful effects of radiation in order to get media attention, but no repeatable results were found. Only ionizing radiation can be harmful, because it has enough energy to break DNA chemical bonds and therefore potentially change the DNA sequence. Otherwise, everybody should be living in the darkness, since light is radiation, it is much closer in frequency to ionizing radiation than microwaves used in mobiles, and finally we are exposed to far higher light power than microwave.

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Lol. You did not even understood the case and the limitations why such results have not been found. Also, "only ionizing radiation" can be harmful is a lie! You understand little about the tissue and its behaviour under different signals and intensities. You do not need changes in DNA chemical bonds. The pathological change comes from abnormal tissue structure and its effect on neurons. - You also exaggerate in the end by saying everybody. So typical engineer's answer.

Anon6376 ( 2014-12-20 02:39:59 +0300 )edit

I will believe these effects exist when I see a repeatable study. Fact is that I haven't seen anybody capable of damaging a tissue via non-ionizing radiation except by microwave cooking. And yes, I am an engineer. :-)

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2014-12-20 02:50:42 +0300 )edit

This world has always been subjected to radiation from deep space and from our nearest star. In the last hundred years there has been an increase of high power radio waves and yet after all this time there is no physical pathology to support any thesis for harm to life on this planet.

richardski ( 2014-12-20 03:49:57 +0300 )edit

It is quite rough to say that there is no negative effect of non-ionizing radiation on human tissue. However, it is true that no breakthrough has been in showing that there is, so right now most people consider these unproved statements non-existent, which is a similarly black&white behaviour as saying that there is significant negative effect.

While having an engineering and radiology background I would not do such research myself, but why would anyone prevent others from doing such a research? The result might be, that you can only make tiny provable changes, but why not do that?

Another point of mine here for @Masi would be, that I might consider the UI less affecting health than RF radiation and behavioural issues considering the phone usage (screen/eyes and handsfree/ears, etc).

William ( 2014-12-20 09:35:03 +0300 )edit

Study how well and how quickly healthy and damaged tissue heal when injured under different conditions. For example, how quickly does scar tissue in the digits of the (lab-equivalent) hand heal when cut, compared to healthy tissue that is cut? How does this change if radiation is increased or blocked, to the extent that all other variables remain unchanged?

rdmo ( 2014-12-24 23:28:33 +0300 )edit

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