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Where are Jolla's pulley menu icons?

asked 2014-12-27 23:10:22 +0300

rdmo gravatar image

updated 2015-04-29 18:33:51 +0300

There is a significantly hobbling limit to the number of viable items in a pulley menu right now.

tl;dr Display icons in pulley menus. Base the menu system in limited HTML, via QML. See also: GUI improvement: pulley menu toggle gesture

Show icons on the innermost edge of the pulley menu. Use pull in-left and pull in-right to drag the activate pulley menu and include more items. A whole dropdown menu-set could fit the interface in this way. An upshot in this use case is that commonly handy OS utilities like cut, copy, paste, show-clipboard-item-list,screenshot, save-page-to-disk, monitor-DBus could be made quickly available exactly as and when they are needed. These can become almost intuitive (albeit habituated) gestures and are basically harmless as well as extremely useful.

Please fit shorter pulley text items in the same row. This wouldn't even require left-right dragging, if, like the cursor key navigation in the Firefox context menu, the pulley items would highlight consecutively (in language reading order, LTR or RTL on each row as it becomes visible) as the pull goes on. After the initiation of the pulley menu by vertical drag, however, horizontal drag selection need not be unavailable; the present condition.

Please maximise usability and empower users: add this pulley improvement in the next upgrade. Add configurability by basing the menuing system in limited HTML, it will be no slower than browsing a very short and simple web page. User experience quality ouht based on getting out of the way to the extent they only notice their interactions when the GUI interrupts their flow, rather than forcing behaviours and blocks in ways that seem arbitrary.

Firefox has this type of menu in its context menu. Pulley menus would have the icons at the (first visible) menu edge. Here's an unlike Firefox example:

menu with icons and text items for more and different actions

Current pulley menu example

Navigation GUI in browser

The current copy-paste implementation is outside the pulley context:

The Clear clipboard context menu item

...and the subsequently cleared clipboard:

No Clipboard (paste) icon

A zombie clipboard typo sometimes returns (e.g. in the context of a new tab):

Zombie javascript typo that keeps coming back

Indeed, the clipboard feature does appear to work in new tabs when the clipboard starts empty. In that case (as described elsewhere), a long tap on the active web address highlights the text, and copies the address to the Clipboard. An example of what to expect:

The expected Clipboard behaviour

The graphic nature of the side theme changer interface (in this example limited to portrait orientation only) gives hope that this suggestion is possible:

Swipe from outside screen area from left

The related QML seems to be in AmbienceGridPage.qml. Next, the icon items need identification.

There's a different kind of swiping icon on some thumbnailed apps, like the browser, in whose case users can reload the active tab or open a new tab, depending where they swipe from on the thumbnail and whether they swipe to the left or right.

The interaction in the last screenshot's context differs as image/theme selection is not available until all the theme window covers the screen. This is not the same for icons in pulley menus where part of the menu can remain hidden, so this probably affects what text to put in the QML.

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I'm nt quite sure if I understand want you mean because the title of your post has nothing to do with its actual content.

If it's about being able to copy/paste a URL - you can already do this, no need for an additional entryin the pulley menu.

ossi1967 ( 2014-12-28 16:18:01 +0300 )edit

Copy and paste of url actually works already by clicking/tapping the web address. Once the web address is shown as selected, it is moved to the clipboard and can be paste to other applications.

Kari ( 2014-12-28 16:23:32 +0300 )edit

This does not appear to be true if there is already content on the clipboard.

rdmo ( 2014-12-28 16:52:13 +0300 )edit

Ok - in that case small swipe on selected address to left and right will refresh the clipboard with new selection. Perhaps that is best to do everytime, if one wants to be sure what is copied to CB.

Kari ( 2014-12-28 16:55:43 +0300 )edit

@rdmo: It's no different than copying/pasting in any other native Sailfish text entry field. Just to make 100% sure I just tried with some other content in the clipboard - works as expected. There has to be another reason why you can't copy from the browser. Mhm...

ossi1967 ( 2014-12-28 17:30:21 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-01-06 13:46:44 +0300

foss4ever gravatar image

updated 2015-01-06 13:56:48 +0300

First, the question description and the attached images + texts and title seem to have nothing to do with each other cause this "idea" seems to just want to add some buttons/behaviours to Browser UI that would make it more complex and confusing and much more difficult to use and interact with.

Secondly, also the question had been incorrectly tagged as "bug" and "feature-request" and "suggestion" (which one the OP things this is?)

Thirdly, based on the parts in the confusing descrption that I was able to understand it seems to me that this is a really bad and counter-productive idea for Jolla UI and UX that does not make the using of the device easier or more intuitive.

Thus, based on all above, this Q should be closed as "irrelevant" or as"not really a question".

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The user can pull down the menu from all along the top of the screen. Text lists limit the number of options where icons in the first visible row would increase the options available.

The reason the clipboard bug is included is that if the mark-cut-copy-paste icons would be available in various pulley menus then the clipboard bug might become more evident or disappear so another bug report would not need opening.

rdmo ( 2015-01-06 15:58:48 +0300 )edit

You should split your feature requests and bug reports into different posts (and check for duplicates before posting new bug reports).

avhakola ( 2015-01-17 13:35:46 +0300 )edit

@avhakola: So I filed a Clipboard question. I will try to be more polite in future. It's intended more as a disinct solution proposal than a duplicate of the other partially released Question with six hundred votes already.

rdmo ( 2015-01-18 02:57:02 +0300 )edit

Clearly, how such a messy post can get 12 upvotes?! People like the xkcd screenshot or what? x)

Sthocs ( 2015-04-28 11:33:59 +0300 )edit

I think it may have something to do with an unaddressed need like a clipboard even as good as the one on early nineties Win3.0. If you refer to the screenshots see this Question about it and get Askbot to let users size their uploaded images. Don't shoot the messenger. I was just trying to copy-paste into a bug report.

Besides which, IIRC I once tried to remove some of those kinds of images, only to see an Admin reinstate them, on this or some other early post I wrote.

This user stylesheets Question's fix would also go much of the way towards making arbitrarily messy content less so.

rdmo ( 2015-04-28 11:42:48 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-12-27 23:33:32 +0300

maxik gravatar image

Those items are defined to a maximum value of 4 I think, through guideline. As a hint it is placed not to flood this menu with entries so developers should care a lot what to place there.

In your specific case jolla devs might consider removing an option with another but I would not recommend so.

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I think I've seen 5 in one app, but cannot remember which one. Mind you, 4 is just about the usable limit in landscape.

pichlo ( 2015-01-06 11:01:35 +0300 )edit

You don't have to look far. Jolla together frontpage has five items and there are seven in sailbox application.

kimmoks ( 2015-01-06 11:28:04 +0300 )edit

As the documentation says: "To secure easy access and uncluttered experience, never display more than four actions in the pulley menu." ( No question that there are apps out in the big sea using more items in the pulley...

maxik ( 2015-01-06 17:31:14 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-19 16:48:46 +0300

M.Bln. gravatar image

updated 2015-01-19 18:32:27 +0300

I like icons in menus because you are much faster in identification than just with reading. But I dont like to have more than one meaning in menus. As far as I understand you request you suggest menu entries which can have two meanings symbolized with two icons in one pulley menu line. If my understanding is right i disagree with this request! Nevertheless I support the idea of having optional icons in the pulley menu.

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