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Unseen (whatsapp alternative) for Jolla? Let's ask them [not relevant]

asked 2014-12-31 14:45:51 +0200

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Facebook is renewing their privacy policy (again) for, IMHO the worse (again), and this time I'm no longer willing to conform to the new policy! So I started looking for an alternative, an alternative that has the main features of Facebook that are important to me, which are, wall posting, groups and private messaging. An important feature of this alternative social network would also be privacy.

What I found:

I quickly stumbled upon www.seen.is, which is a site hosted in Iceland (great privacy laws). Their slogan on the front page is:

"What's Happening Here ? We’re a rapidly growing community of like minded people who have come to seen.is because our privacy is respected. In case you’re wondering, we’re hosted in Iceland where there’s still a lot of freedom."

It has just about all the features important to me, including the ones I listed above, and they work great. The PM section however is not working for groups (yet), but to my surprise, they also have a multi-platform messaging service, called "Unseen" www.unseen.is (clever huh?)! This service is still in beta, but already has mobile apps for WP, iOS, Android and Ubuntu(!!). I contacted the Unseen support center regarding a possible port for a native Sailfish OS app and they were not resistant at all!

What to do:

Seeing as Whatsapp is not going to release a native Sailfish OS app anytime soon, I think we should try to engage the folks over at Unseen and show them that the Sailfish community has in interest in their services, what do you think?

Me and a few of my friends have already moved our group chats over to unseen and we couldn't be happier!


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Is it a fully decentralized system? If not, I'm not interested.

Fuzzillogic ( 2014-12-31 15:01:51 +0200 )edit

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answered 2014-12-31 15:03:09 +0200

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Don't bother. Why you should stay away from Unseen.is

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this are quite good reason therefor i would love otr for xmpp ;)

Vlad ( 2014-12-31 15:37:37 +0200 )edit

Thank you for the link! Some really eye-opening reading! The search continues it seems...

esmBOS ( 2014-12-31 15:46:34 +0200 )edit

sounds like a fairly typical "its not perfect so don't support it" type of post. The problem is that there isn't anything currently available that is cross-platform, easy to use, with lots of features, and perfect cryptography.currently available.

If these unseen people are willing to create a first-party native SailfishOS app for our platform then I would personally welcome it, even though I wish they were using at least an open protocol rather than having to take their word that their proprietary home baked protocol is good enough. A first party native client would be a better situation than what we currently have with whatsapp, which is no native client and actively hostile towards our native third-party client.

r0kk3rz ( 2014-12-31 17:09:48 +0200 )edit

Both WhatsApp and Unseen are closed. What does WhatsApp have? An incredible amount of users, and recently even TextSecure implemented. Now what does Unseen have going for it? Nothing. Much less users, no TextSecure. Maybe a native client someday, but a client for something you have no guarantee even does what it says. What's the point?

Perfect cryptography is certainly possible and cross-platform, with OTR. That needs a native client - in fact it just needs to be usable through the Messages app.

If you have the choice between buying a car from someone where the only reason you have to believe the car works is that the person says so, and you have multiple reasons to assume it doesn't work (or at least not correctly), or not buying a car, I doubt you would buy that car.

nthn ( 2014-12-31 17:31:14 +0200 )edit

Actually the video call feature of Unseen looks like a good Skype replacement which we know is backdoored by the NSA, so there's that going for it. Not to mention PC clients as well, something whatsapp lacks.

It's also not owned by Facebook, and not headquartered in the USA, so it isn't obliged to comply with orders from the US Government.

The best "secure" messaging system is of course the one I can get my friends to use, and Unseen looks like its got enough features that I could convince them to do so, particularly as a skype replacement that also doubles as a whatsapp replacement.

As an Australian national living in the UK, it would be nice to keep my communications out of the 5Eyes network, or at least make it a little harder/more costly to monitor and catalog everything, beyond that it doesn't have to be super-secure.

r0kk3rz ( 2014-12-31 18:01:12 +0200 )edit

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