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[Official announcement] Jolla Tablet returns to Indiegogo with updated tech specs! [not a question]

asked 2015-01-29 17:07:21 +0300

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Dear Jolla Community,

We are proud to tell you that the world's first crowdsourced tablet, the Jolla Tablet, has returned to Indiegogo.com. After the successful first phase of our Indiegogo campaign in Nov-Dec last year, we’re now moving to the next phase, and continuing our campaign on Indiegogo at least until the end of February 2015.

A big THANK YOU to those of you who have already contributed to the Jolla Tablet in the first phase, and helping us reach the two stretch goals! The development work is progressing really well, especially with your feedback and input. We aim to ship the first tablets in May 2015. Please note that the delivery date is subject to change. In any event, we will keep you updated on the schedule in our update emails.

For those of you who missed the first wave, here's another opportunity to contribute to the Jolla Tablet! In this second phase of the campaign the Jolla Tablet price (32GB @ 219 USD / 64GB @ 249 USD) will still be lower than what the expected retail price will be later this year. By contributing now you’ll receive the Jolla Tablet in the second quarter this year, right after the first contributors.

We now have some exciting news and updates for you.

Hardware update: microSD + new 64GB model + bigger battery

If you've contributed to the Jolla Tablet in the first phase, we want to thank you again for helping us reach the stretch goal of $1.5M and enabling the support for up to 128GB microSD cards. This stretch goal generated lots of good discussion in our community, and we listened closely.

We have decided to move forward with using an open source file system (ext2/3/4) for the memory card. This enables you to use memory cards up to 128GB on your Jolla Tablet for back-ups and additional storage. However since we will not be supporting the SDXC format using the exFAT file system, cards over 32GB formatted for use in the Jolla Tablet will not be readable with Windows/MacOS computers or cameras/phones/tablets that advertise microSDXC support. It is possible to access the microSD card via USB when the Jolla Tablet is connected by MTP, or to install separate drivers in Windows/MacOS to mount and access the EXT file system directly, and we can provide how-tos. We apologize if this causes some inconvenience, but we feel that this suits best to our community's wishes and Jolla's values.

We’ve also decided to introduce the 64GB Jolla Tablet! Just select the bigger memory perk and you will not run out of memory too quickly. If you’ve already contributed to the 32GB version earlier you can easily upgrade to 64GB with just $25 by selecting the specific perk. Please note that this upgrade price is only valid for 2014 contributions.

Further updates: the battery size has been slightly increased to 4450mAh (previously 4300mAh), the display is fully laminated, and we've added gyroscope and compass sensors. However, proximity sensor will not be included in the Jolla Tablet unlike previously mentioned.

We’re really excited about this second campaign phase, and hope you are too. Join us in making the first Jolla Sailfish OS tablet a reality!

Jolla team

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The question has been closed for the following reason "not a real question" by eric
close date 2015-04-14 10:08:39.030940



I first paid for a tablet that, like the Jolla phone, was restricted to SD cards up to 32GB. Like with the Jolla phone, I expected it could be tricked into supporting cards >32GB. (By re-formatting the card, wgich one should never do if it can be avoided.)

Then came the stretch goal and I paid again, assuming that it could of course only be about the exFAT file system for proper SDXC support. Again: ExtSomething>32GB isn't a new achievement and not something I'd have paid for separately. I paid because I wanted to use a standard compliant SDXC card >32GB with the tablet, out of the box, exactly as pre-formated by the vendor.

So if you don't support exFAT now - what exactly did you use my money for? From the post above I read this whole SD card strech goal was a lie.

ossi1967 ( 2015-01-29 20:03:15 +0300 )edit

@ossi1967 I don't know if it was a lie or if they got just steamrolled. At the very least, they got pushed into backtracking by a very vocal fraction of this community. Nobody can tell me that they were surprised that exFAT would involve licensing fees. Would make me question their research prior to the campaign. However, here is what annoys me the most:

@cybette make it easier for everybody: don't write "will not work with Mac OS X and Windows" since it will also not work with any other free OS (like BSD, which would have worked with exFAT, the purpose of standards, like them or not), just write "will only work on GNU/Linux".

Still wondering if I get the upgrade as the SD slot is now useless for me. In a way I do not want to support this business strategy...

sidv ( 2015-01-29 20:37:29 +0300 )edit

I think by eliminating the exFat support you crippled the tablet for the non tech people that will/would/might buy it. PEOPLE EXPECT THINGS TO WORK DAMN IT. Not ideology driven decisions influenced by the foss taliban. And yes. There are people that payed for exFAT. And those must be compensated since you are not including it.

ApB ( 2015-01-29 20:50:50 +0300 )edit

Is the microsdxc dropped altogether or only for cards above 32 gb?

tortoisedoc ( 2015-01-29 20:53:09 +0300 )edit

@tortoisedoc SDXC support mandates exFAT as the file system, independent of size. However, SDHC does not. So, 32 GB cards may work as SDHC but they will certainly not be able to advertise SDXC compliance as that would, as defined by the standard, involve full exFAT support.

sidv ( 2015-01-29 21:10:32 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-01-29 18:26:07 +0300

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I think the ext filesystem for the microSD Card is a great idea. Most people using a Jolla probably use altough a Linux. All other can use the USB to PC system via MTP. Well done!

I hope the battery life is good, because even now it isn't the biggest battery (added half an smartwatch battery). But nevertheless well done!

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The ext-filesystem for SD cards is not something new. It's already there, you can use it here and now on your Jolla phone. They cashed the money from the stretch goal for nothing.

ossi1967 ( 2015-01-29 21:23:50 +0300 )edit

Then count it on making bigger battery and better display. Way better than paying for a licence, and a lot of people asked/voted for this to happen.

William ( 2015-01-29 22:25:59 +0300 )edit

Presumably these Linux using Jolla users don't use cameras?

And Mac users are screwed by this as Macs do not support MTP and Jolla's PTP support with iPhoto is completely borked.

aegis ( 2015-01-30 01:57:30 +0300 )edit

Most people using a Jolla probably use altough a Linux. What makes you assume most of the people using Jolla phone uses Linux? Including exFat support wouldn't have affected at all the usage of FOSS-crusaders own memorycards in anyway since Sailfish already supports those filesysytems, but now it makes it harder if not next to impossible for average Joe and Jane to use bigger memorycards with the tablet.

avhakola ( 2015-01-30 03:28:57 +0300 )edit

When I received the survey, I did not know that the features hinted in the question (bigger battery) would come at the cost of SD or proximity. I think that should have been clearer. The tablet is meant to be used by everyone, not just us...so don't assume everyone's using linux anyway or that everyone is a techie or comfortable with doing everything the hard way. Its a tablet. It should be easy to use...and the selling point of Sailfish OS was its compatibility...THAT cannot be lost and perhaps it was in this whole sd thing. The other part is, that the primary worth of a tablet comes from its mobility, to enable people to get important work done, wherever they are or in emergency. That includes things like ease of use, compatibility, connectivity with projectors, (and finding spare parts, batteries, accessories with ease) etc. Tablets should not be confused with laptops, phablets or phones.

I completely understand how people feel to have paid for a feature that they have now lost. If bigger batteries were that important, perhaps they should have been added as another goal in the campaign.

Don't know about Jolla, but in android, the SD is actually pretty critical when messing with ROMS. If its not easy to use ...yeah I just can't agree with what was done.

FO ( 2015-01-30 07:32:01 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-29 23:31:08 +0300

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Thanks for supporting the idea of open source.

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They already supported the idea of open source, at least partially. They also support the idea of proprietary Microsoft standards already too, such as supporting Exchange.

aegis ( 2015-01-30 02:01:20 +0300 )edit

Open Source don't means isolation. Talking in a foreign language is ok. Like english (for me).

utkiek ( 2015-01-30 08:33:59 +0300 )edit

@utkiek Sorry to disappoint you, but Jolla phone is full of patents/licenses. Just think of 3G technology (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G) - and many others used in any mobile device. All of them are full of numerous licensed technologies. So why do you pay for them? Just throw your phone away. And don't forget to throw away all your computers, laptops or anything you have, all Wi-Fi devices - they all use licensed technologies.

rburkhanov ( 2015-01-30 16:20:53 +0300 )edit

@rburkhanov: OK, you has won. The real world is not the perfect world. But you and we working on it. See also here: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping/

utkiek ( 2015-01-30 17:52:34 +0300 )edit

@rburkhanov. Because in this instance, the SD Card size has a viable alternative. Pay nothing extra, get to use as large of an SD card as you want or pay a license fee to get to use as large of an SD card as you want.

It's not like we have viable alternatives to WiFi or 3G. Convoluting all other license agreements is quite disingenuous.

Rewarp ( 2015-01-31 02:09:18 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-04-02 13:57:09 +0300

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Dear Jolla community,

Thank you!

The second wave of the Jolla Tablet Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign has ended. Once again we are overwhelmed by the response we have received from all of you. We are very grateful for the $2.56M raised in total. This wouldn't have been possible without your continued support and belief in us. A BIG THANK YOU to you all!

What happens next?

We have been working hard on the tablet's hardware and software to bring you the best experience possible with the Jolla Tablet. We will continue keeping you updated on our progress.

Once we get closer to the delivery date, we will contact you and ask you to confirm your shipping address. At the same time we will instruct you on potential VAT and/or duty payments. If you have not added shipping for the tablet, you will be able to pay for shipping at a later date - we will keep you informed. If there is something unclear regarding your contribution we will be in touch with you.

If you have more specific questions about your contribution, please do not hesitate to contact Jolla Service & Support at https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Crowdsourcing continues

We have already received great input from many of you regarding the Tablet. Please continue sharing your ideas with us here on together.jolla.com. Join the discussions with Jolla Sailors and the community. Look for the tags jolla-tablet and feature-request.

We are also publishing updates on the Jolla Blog. Follow us to stay tuned!

With deepest gratitude,

The Jolla Team <3

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answered 2015-01-30 01:14:20 +0300

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Would be great to have some more perks for accessories like docking-station (using it like a computer), or bluetooth keyboard/cover, quality headsets, further quality covers...

If not possible with perk, then afterwards on jolla tablet-shop.

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Yeah, and maybe something that helps it easily connect to new and old projectors (vga, hdmi, wirelessly)

FO ( 2015-01-30 07:43:57 +0300 )edit

@FO do you mean in form of adaptor for the vga hdmi and dvi? why not.

cemoi71 ( 2015-01-30 09:33:36 +0300 )edit

Yes or perhaps it could be part of the docking station

FO ( 2015-01-30 10:57:43 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-29 18:13:31 +0300

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I've ordered my jolla tablet on the first batch, but now I've added the extra 32GB. Will I get my tablet later because of that? Also, what's a fully laminated display? What's the expected battery life of the new one?

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Would also like to know what a "fully laminated display" is and how it affects the product.

ejjoman ( 2015-01-29 18:30:02 +0300 )edit

afaik it means that the display is fused to the glass, it allows the display to be thinner (probably making way for the increased battery) and increased optical clarity. This comes at a cost of replacing the glass should it break, but the tablet is going to be a sealed unit anyway so that's not a big deal.

r0kk3rz ( 2015-01-29 18:36:23 +0300 )edit

@xernobyl You will be still regarded as being among the first contributors who made the contributions in Nov-Dec 2014.

In normal displays, there is an air gap between the touch sensor and display panel. A fully laminated display eliminates this gap, reduces refraction and improve visibility. It can also reduce power consumption and prevent foreign matter (i.e. dust) from being trapped in the display.

cybette ( 2015-01-29 18:42:16 +0300 )edit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Glass_Solution basically "one piece" of glass where the part that is usually on the 2nd glass is laminated directly onto the 1st

chemist ( 2015-01-29 19:14:26 +0300 )edit

But AFAIK that means if the touchlayer glass breaks, the whole display needs to be changed.

schmittlauch ( 2015-01-29 22:25:38 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-30 10:37:28 +0300

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updated 2015-01-30 10:38:18 +0300

The Jolla phone screen has been in many times identified to be the main cause for draining the battery quite fast. e.g. my personal usage drains the battery with in one day (primary phone - Calls, Emails, Web-browsing, whatsapp etc.)

I would like to know, if with new Jolla Tablet the chosen screen would be more energy efficient in this respect and the thus the user experience would be again better.

What kind of screen technology the Jolla tablet shall use and what is it's energy consumption?

The tech spec of the screen doesn't really say much about power consumption.

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answered 2015-01-31 10:40:30 +0300

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Cybette, I was happy to see that thete are still some hardware changes being made, such as the battery and laminated screen. Is it still possible to add proper Pen support? I know capacitive stylus technology is also included in a 'fully laminated display' stack in the new Dell Venue 11 Pro, so...

The Tablet questionnaire also asked about stylus support. So, now I have a faint shimmer of hope that in a week or two there will be another upgrade option to add pen support. I'd like to know this, because if I have to choose between upgrading memory or getting a proper stylus, I'd choose the latter. And I can only spend money once...

Just to be clear: I'm talking about the proper Wacom/N-trig kind of course, not the capacitive soft tip stuff that's sold to ipad users who don't know better anyway.

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Excellent idea

cottle515 ( 2015-01-31 18:18:33 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-29 21:58:12 +0300

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It was not clear 2 me, & am now less than charmed 2 learn, I won't be able 2 use the card in the Mac or swap with others. Otoh, if the difference is just that i`ll leave the card in the Jolla and have full access to its folder-hierarchy accross a USB cable, afa using the tablet this is ok. And it also charges the battery. But from here it appears it is not the case. As a non-tech user I would like to use the card in the normal way. SO how exactly will this work? WIll the Mac access the folder hierarchy? Can I transfer mcv, movies, music, pdf and other ebooks and save them neatly in subfolders from the Mac?

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They told you would be able to use it via mtp. This means you can access your tablets SD-Card just like every android device(or mp3-player, camera,...). Which is what the phoneis already doing with it's internal storage.

kormarun ( 2015-01-29 22:15:34 +0300 )edit

@kormarun, Macs do not support MTP. The only way you can expose the filesystem is via sftp over wifi or in developer mode after you've installed horndis on the Mac.

aegis ( 2015-01-30 02:06:05 +0300 )edit

@aegis, yes you do. Take a look at http://www.sync-mac.com/de/mtp-sync.html

kormarun ( 2015-01-30 05:07:14 +0300 )edit

Thanks, kormarun. No experience with the innards and names of all this (MTP, filesystem, sftp over wifi, developer mode, horndis :-) A while ago, novamedia.de offered an iSync plugin (v. 2.0) I still use to sync the E7 (Symbian) w. SL (Mac OSX10.6.8). Syncmate (a brand of Eltima?) offers Syncmate4 for OSX 10.6 to 10.8 and v. 5 for newer OSX, both free to try in their core functionality.

Would this be the solution? Anyone knows or do we have to wait until May? :-) Perhaps a Jolla cap'n? Thank you!

vaa ( 2015-01-30 14:17:29 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-29 18:17:17 +0300

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Is this the final version of the tablet? Or will there be yet another change requiring "the first ones" to pay again?

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Requiring? No one forces you to pay for something. :)

ejjoman ( 2015-01-29 18:20:18 +0300 )edit

"A good product is never finished" ;) Ok, I probably misquoted there, but the campaign is called "people powered" for a reason. We are taking feedback from the community and adapting/improving based on the inputs. In this second phase we introduced a higher capacity memory option, and we are offering the first contributors the ability to upgrade it at a lower price. We are not forcing you to do it of course, it's entirely up to you :)

cybette ( 2015-01-29 18:23:37 +0300 )edit

"Tricking them", then.

And they are good! Darn, they got me!

mikelima ( 2015-01-29 18:24:29 +0300 )edit

I know, I'm just wondering if this than will be the final product, or if i have to pay again in two weeks for another improvement which will than be released as a "vip-combi-super-action-pack-with-moneysaving-abilities" two weeks later. (look at the Other Halves for example) -excuse my rant-

XiliX ( 2015-01-29 18:27:58 +0300 )edit

@XiliX - I think you are angry at the mistaken assumption that you won't be getting the 'upgrades'. Since the campaign did well, Jolla has listened to our feedback, and tweaked the hardware design to address the community's concern. But finally everybody will be getting the same tablet. You, as one of the first ones just got the tablet on a discounted rate. All the others now will be paying more.

sifartech ( 2015-01-29 19:39:09 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-01-29 19:27:32 +0300

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If I upgrade the tablet now to the 64GB version do I also get then the gyroscope, compass sensors and other new features or "just" the "old" tablet with increased storage?

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All tablets (in both first and second phases of the campaign) will come with gyroscope, compass, increased battery capacity, laminated display, etc. The only variable is in the amount of internal storage: 32 or 64 GB!

cybette ( 2015-01-29 19:53:28 +0300 )edit

I also pledged in the first phase already, so if I now want to have 64 GB internal storage in my tabletI should now pledge 25$ for that, right?

foss4ever ( 2015-02-02 00:51:48 +0300 )edit

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