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Identify applications with unique tag(s) (to support e.g. application homepages in Together)

asked 2014-01-01 03:14:42 +0200

foss4ever gravatar image

updated 2015-01-06 14:59:52 +0200

In order to advance this forum to better respond to application developers and users needs, a unique tag for (at least) each app that has been accepted to Jolla Harbour / Store should be introduced and communicated to the community.

The most natural way to make this happen is to let e.g. Harbour Q/A-team to post also here the acceptance info of a new Store app release with all the descriptive info about the app, and a unique tag to be used when commenting/asking/answering/ reporting and talking about it here.

Also, this way new application releases would get publicity here, and if the ”release announcement” would be pushed to Jolla store at the same time, then Together forum would enable user/developer communication better than the store alone currently does.

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@jjaone Sorry... what was your question again? (or what are you looking for with your question?) Is it that should Q/A team do this, in our opinion, or what? I might be stupid here, but please specify a bit more. I've removed my answer, as it obviously wasn't related to your question.

simo ( 2014-01-19 23:37:14 +0200 )edit

@simo by removing your answer you also removed my explanation to that. Now you want me to write that explanation, again. Unique tag to identify each app accepted/submitted to Harbour. E.g. harbour-tidings, harbour-tweetian, and native system apps with jolla prefix (jolla-email, jolla-settings) just like they are named in Harbour already. Additionlly,Android apps can be differentiated here by using android prefix e.g. android-firefox, etc.. This tags cam be assigned by Harbour team when app is accepted or used here in Together everytime a question or wiki abt spesific app is posted. Tags for apps would name them explicitly and the prefix would tell the orgin/platform of the app. Also, my suggestion talks abt posting an initial page here with all app info imcluded when it is released. Thid page can be made by Q/A team or Together forum mods. This way each app would have a unique tag and page here to expand the commenting only feature in.Store currently. This would benefit users and devs and make Together a step.closer to serve as a web version of Store for or each app in Harbour. Also apps from external repos could be tagged with the same naming convention (if they are seen fit to be visible in this forum). [I'll convert this to an answer so that it is easier to see what this suggestion is all about]. Thanks for asking for details ;)

foss4ever ( 2014-01-20 04:46:27 +0200 )edit

@simo and your answer was related but you were suggesting one tag for all apps, which is IMO redundant to unique-tag-per-app suggestion, where the prefix would tell whether it is system, native, external or android app. (jolla-, harbour-, external-, android-- respectively)

[see also my.comment on the answer below]

foss4ever ( 2014-01-20 05:00:36 +0200 )edit

@jjaone Sorry - that was a good comment by you which got removed in my reduntant answer, however that comment didn't bring me closer to undestanding your suggestion. The one above did :) Now who would benefit of an unique tag? In general, tags are used to bring several questions under the same categories to enable better search results. Or do you mean that it would enable several questions conserning that app (which is already used, simply by adding the name of the app as a tag)?

simo ( 2014-01-20 08:08:17 +0200 )edit

@simo This shouldn't be very difficult to understand; tags are meta-data of content, right? A way to categorize questions here, to build typologies, to organize content, right? Basically tags are free for anyone to write any tag to any question and even retag them at will. And that freedom is the problem when you wamt to identify something uniquely (to give a name that refers to one thing only), right? But we have one example of a tag that is restricted and monitored (a first word of controlled vocabulary if you wil): everytime I use 'roadmap' I know that every instance document (question) I get as result really is roadmap'ed (and only those, not rmapped or roadmap-please, but just 'roadmap' a unique identifier for one type of content.

Same with this proposal to make apps (of different origin) to first class citiizens here, anh organize other content around them, a unique indentifier is needed, and tag is good way to start: If I want to refer the email app natively in device released by jolla. I use the tagjolla-email, and only that. not email nor jollaemail, nor jollasemail, nor email-app, nor jollas-email, so only that and always that tag in quesion means it is about jolla email app. Unique way to seartch and give metadata to the content (without any external metadata toolset) etc.

So, yes if I search with harbour-tidings tag, I get all quesions, wikis (+ any other content that can be tagged) that concern the app in harbour named "tidings" or actually harbour-tidings as it is named there already. And, the additional benefit is to have the source/platform/vendor/developer/repo-data encoded in the tag as a prefixe: "jolla-", "harbour-" (native sailfish 3rd-party apps), "android-" for dalvik-stuff, "openrepos-" for those etc. (or just "external-" for all external repos").

If you have ever used any CMS systems or tried to organize and build knowledge from e.g. free form texts that community is contributing, this is how you take the first steps towards shared knowledge building by agreeing on common vocabularies and terminologies for content (and metatdata describing it).

foss4ever ( 2014-01-20 08:38:33 +0200 )edit

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answered 2014-01-01 04:35:28 +0200

bilog gravatar image

Tags are essentially free-form, so if somebody has a question for a specific app, they would have no problem tagging it with the app name already.

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Yes, but the problem is that the tag maybe in other use already and in this way not available for "unique app identidier" use. I think I am trying to propose a common naming convention for apps here. It could be borrowed from harbour directly, so that all harbour acccepted and store-released 3rd-party apps had a tag like harbour-tidings, harbour-scical, ect and jolla provided apps had a tag jolla-email, jolla-clock, jolla-settings, etc.. If we could agree on this kind of naming convention then the app-spesific developer-corner could be formed around apps named this way ..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-01 04:48:27 +0200 )edit

This also relates to the question/suggestion to make Together-forum a web-version of Jolla Store (or integrate these both).

foss4ever ( 2014-01-01 04:53:21 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-01-20 13:07:40 +0200

simo gravatar image

Instead of an unique tag, I suggest these three tags would be communicated to the community as reserved: harbour-app, store-app,jolla-app

Adding one of these tags and the name of the app as a tag to the question would solve the issue, and offer users a possibility to find not only the questions related to an unique app (using two tag filters, name of the app beeing the other), but also to find all the discussions around all apps handled in the harbour or released in the store. This would also separate discussion during the development process (under tag harbour-app, used more between developers and the harbour team) from the discussions after the release (under tag store-app, used more between the developer and the users).

The tag harbour-app would be granted to the apps sent to the harbour, and it would enable the developer(s) and the harbour team to discuss about both unique apps and harbour apps in general here.

The tag jolla-app would be used in apps already in the phone, not available in the store. Via this, your example of jolla-email in your comment would be replaced by tags jolla-app + email

The tag store-app would be great as each app released in store would have it's own "question" here, with a title like Store App: xxxxxxxxxxxx, and these introductions could also be voted to support the app.

This would eventually encourage the developers to introduce their apps here at together, and the whole community could find all those app under one tag, or via search term "store app". As we know, the result can be sorted nicely (by date to see the latest apps, by votes to see the most popular apps).

If wanted, the developer could also include a poll there (e.g. 1-5 stars) and mark these poll answers as community wiki. The question itself should be owned by the developer (not wiki), as they surely are entitled to the karma points from each vote.

If someone else but the developer would introduce an app, then the question should be marked as community wiki. If the developer would like to own that introduction later, he could make make a new or copypasted introduction of her/his app and close the wiki question, pointing to the new one.

Apps released by Jolla could be introduced by anyone, including the developer at Jolla.

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