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[HYC] Don't use a status bar.

asked 2015-03-03 15:53:33 +0300

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updated 2015-03-04 14:31:31 +0300

chemist gravatar image

As the title suggests. Kill the thing before production.

Sidenote: For those who think they'll get a permanent statusbar, peeking will be needed nevertheless as the statusbar seems to not be in apps, just home-screen and events-view. So places like browser and phone will still force you to peek. So where is the point in having it then?

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Keep the current design and make the status bar optional please.

pmelas ( 2015-03-04 11:37:49 +0300 )edit

The 'status bar' is also looking quite the same as in BB 10.

Alex ( 2015-03-04 12:29:21 +0300 )edit

Note that so far (based on the videos I have seen of the tablet), the status bar appears to only be in the home screen, events view and when displaying the android app that's not fullscreen (is that partnerspace?). So it doesn't seem to be enabled in any apps (in the traditional meaning of the word). If it is that way, then I personally do not care about it enough to vote up or down.

Nicd ( 2015-03-04 13:56:10 +0300 )edit

Just make it configurable (status bar always, sometimes, never). Period

marmistrz ( 2015-05-22 13:05:57 +0300 )edit

@marmistrz they remove the peek-view like we have now so no more fancy big read while doing gestures so having it optional is not really an option with that design change

chemist ( 2015-05-22 17:26:38 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-03-03 16:00:17 +0300

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updated 2015-03-04 02:39:49 +0300

Upvoted, there is so much wasted space in the demos that you could probably display all notifications and all status icons always but I do not like the idea of a statusbar! Have information distributed over the screen and not conglomerated in single-line statusbar! Do something unlike (please) just like the notification icons only being visible on peeking! The peek-view on SFOS1.0 is an amazing idea for saving disturbances from direct view but so often visible and available for passive recognition.

Just watched a JollaPhone video with SFOS2.0, in the demo the statusbar is invisible or sticks to the top of the page (scrolls away) in most views but the home-screen and there it is not needed actually as when you go to the home-screen now you have the peek-view, would be much better to just have a status icon for GSM within the phone app somehow or on other places you would actually need to know if there is connectivity and what network you are booked in.

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answered 2015-03-03 18:04:47 +0300

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updated 2015-03-03 18:05:27 +0300

Okay, look. The way people are fighting against new SFOS2 features with those "HYC" posts really looks like Reductio ad Hitlerum, except in your case it's "Reductio ad Androidum". If something is implemented in Android (iOS/WP/whatever) it does not mean that it's bad and you should avoid it just because you are #unlike. I, for one, really miss the classic status bar. There is a reason why everyone use it. I don't care about a tiny thin bar which wastes what, 20 pixels - and is easily hidden if app is in fullscreen mode.

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Its not an unlike thing. Its not and anti-android/iOS thing either. Its a waste/clutter/dumbing down thing.

Many of the SFOS 2.0 features smell Design by Committee and voting by people who are just able to code. And that is always the point where things start to go wrong.

ApB ( 2015-03-03 18:27:54 +0300 )edit

@ApB: just because you call status bar "waste/clutter/dumbing down" does not make that true. I like to always see complete information about the device status. I always have gkrellm running on my desktop. (How "cluttered" is that, huh?). I do not consider current time, battery charge, cellular signal strength, and a list of tiny icons notifying me about new messages/missed calls/etc. a "waste".

ScumCoder ( 2015-03-03 18:36:05 +0300 )edit

then it should at least be possible to disable the status bar. I (so this is MY opinion) do not need to see notifications of apps and the time all the time, and I know my provider name :D And signal levels are only interesting if you have connection problems. All informations are only a peak away currently, and that is fast enough, so why waste more than 0 pixel for this?

balta ( 2015-03-03 18:42:23 +0300 )edit

@ScumCoder as you state, the statusbar would need to go away within apps anyway and peeking shows everything already, how much time do you spend on the homescreen starring at it so you'd need it displayed there? I see the point in having it on the events-view though! The 1.0 design is a huge + without having it hidden somewhere not easily seen and the way it is shown while peeking is that if you actually use the device you see it more often than you actually need to! And to be honest, you are only interested in status stuff if something does not work - apart of the clock maybe. Icons for notifications? You are aware of that you get a notificationbar each time if you are using it in that moment and you have everything on the lockscreen + you have a global gesture to "peek" on to notifications... maybe the icons in the new events-page could reflect the status too so we save some space with not needing toggle+status icons?! and btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

chemist ( 2015-03-03 20:02:21 +0300 )edit

Why argue about such things - first I'm shure someone will do some patching to deactivate the status bar - second I think that if you want users (not geeks not devs not unlike people) to change you should provide them something familiar - for myself I'd like to see on the first view if I'm logged to my home-provider as I'm often next to the border and sometimes only realise that I was in another net when the monthly bill arrives an I have to pay the roaming costs :-( ... but I agree it there should be an option to disable the status bar - shouldn't be that hard to implement ...

elastic ( 2015-03-03 23:51:50 +0300 )edit

answered 2015-09-12 11:43:31 +0300

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updated 2015-09-12 11:53:03 +0300

The statusbar should be removed from the homescreen.. It shouls stay on the lock screen... it is essential to have it on the lock screen.. but it shold be placed on the bottom of the screen to be peeked from the homescreen....image description

cause The statusbar on the homescreen feels somewhat familiraity to the othe OS and the best part of the sailfish is what to be unlike..... :) hope it gets fixed :)

The lock and the homescreen is to be attached just as the implementation in the 1.x.x.x..

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cause The statusbar on the homescreen feels somewhat familiraity to the othe OS and the best part of the sailfish is what to be unlike..... :) hope it gets fixed :)

That is your argument? Seriously?

Some solutions withstood the test of time because they are simply a good idea. But if you want, here are just a couple of suggestions for a really "unlike" system that would actually make the system more usable, not less like the absence of a status bar:

  1. A truly anonymous access to the app store. Why on earth should I need to create an account for that? Where was your crusade against that?
  2. After unlocking, return to the screen I was last in before locking, instead of forcing me to home screen every time.

(Sorry about the small OT diversion, but this "it looks like Android" argument is getting really old.)

pichlo ( 2015-09-25 19:38:09 +0300 )edit

Well, just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's the best solution. I don't care if it looks or feels like android or not, I just don't feel the need for the status bar information when I'm on the home screen and I actually feel that it's ugly and hard to get info from (compared to the old status field).

If the status bar was omni-present I'd understood why it had to exist. Now it feels like something glued on and not natural at all.

Mohjive ( 2015-09-25 20:07:22 +0300 )edit
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