answered
2015-09-28 23:28:37 +0300
The problem with pulling up the app drawer is that it jumps to the top of the screen. This makes the favourites more cumbersome to reach, since you have to reach all the way to the top in order to tap them. After the pull, your thumb is not even half way from the bottom of the screen. So, to open a favourite, you have to move your thumb from the bottom of the screen all the way to the top. This = bad UX design.
If you can stop the pull somewhere half way (i.e. the app drawer covers only part of the screen) you can pull exactly to position the app you want to open at a comfortable height for your thumb.
As a work around, you can rearrange the app drawer to have your favourites just under the middle of the first page in the app drawer, but that's not an elegant solution of course...
I think the new buttonless homescreen is way better. Shortcut buttons just take space, I'd rather see more and bigger app covers. Looks cleaner and more beautiful. And follows the sailfish way -gestures, no buttons.
jii ( 2015-03-03 22:39:59 +0300 )editThey are breaking every damn thing UI/UX wise in SFOS 2.0. Which is plain stupid. It would be fine to do if SFOS 1.x wasn't doing the job but that is not the case here. SFOS 1.x needed minor polishing to excel and they decided to redesign all the stuff that were good while introducing stuff that add clutter. TBH i'd like to see the design team -or whoever got the decision- explain the reasoning behind all this but i doubt this will happen.
At leas i hope they (or jakko) will read the posts on the design in TJC.
ApB ( 2015-03-03 23:30:45 +0300 )editEspecially on the phone it is the central thing to be able to phone. I dont want to swipe first before able to do a call.
NuklearFart ( 2015-03-13 21:42:01 +0300 )editWhen you can launch an app from inside any app, no need to have favorites. You can put your favorites on the topmost row which is shown when no app is open.
AliN ( 2015-06-12 12:00:59 +0300 )edit@AliNa the fav bar is not gone, in videos you see it being pulled in by tapping the home screen. For your other comment, NO, topmost row is the least usable and your suggestion makes the current favbar obsolete too, it is only visible on home-screen... if rumours are right, we will be able to pick the swipe actions our own, and I for one will not have the app-launcher on global swipe up!
chemist ( 2015-06-12 14:05:56 +0300 )edit@chemist, it was not my suggestion; the favbar you say is the topmost row of the first page of launchers, not an additional row.
On SailfishOS 1.x you can have only 4 favorite apps (ignoring app folders), but on SailfishOS 2.0 you can have up to 24 ones only one swipe away from everywhere. That's why I like the new UX framework.
AliN ( 2015-08-27 20:12:35 +0300 )editon home-screen in 1.0 you have 28 apps, 4 on favbar, 24 only a pull away... your turn! on a multitasking system a launcher should be the least used page
chemist ( 2015-08-28 12:48:42 +0300 )edit@AliNa, One tap on home screen is only available only on empty screen (no open apps). I'm not sure if this is bug or "feature".
mastal ( 2015-09-10 13:44:51 +0300 )editI can't understand the question yet? “One more gesture to launch something”?
On previous versions (1) you need to go home, (2) then launch one of 4 apps.
Now you don't need to go home, just (1) pull up the app drawer, (2) then launch one of 24/18.
So this is a great move. You don't need to go back to home to switch between apps. Opening all or switching between 24/18 apps is just one swipe away. Amazing!
AliN ( 2015-09-10 23:06:49 +0300 )editGrab phone, unlock, be on home screen, pull launcher for browser VS grab phone, unlock, launch browser (while phone, camera, settings are in lock-screen-pulley), as people are used to unlock the same way always it does not come natural that you could actually pull the launcher from lock-screen already. Unlocking to events from the other side does not feel natural either, swiping from right twice feels much more natural.
chemist ( 2015-09-11 01:03:57 +0300 )editI have to say that I like the button-less home screen much more than the old one with the favorite apps. I couldn't count how many times I was calling someone just because the phone button was accidentally pressed. Of course, it would be fine if we can configure to have apps on the home screen or not, if the effort is not too much.
ralfB ( 2015-09-11 16:20:58 +0300 )edit@ralfB: isn't that an issue with the lock screen/sensors and not favorites? Because tapping the phone icon doesn't mean you call someone, you have to tap an entry as well.
Mohjive ( 2015-09-11 18:35:02 +0300 )edit@Mohjive I agree, it is not relazed to the new homescreen, except that I am completely hapoy without favorite apps. It feels like to have more breath, more modern, reduced to what imo the homescreen is all about: running apps. I think there is a way to spin your favorite apps. I also think that the favorite apps are running most of the time anyway and are not started / stopped all the time
ralfB ( 2015-09-11 22:04:59 +0300 )editInteresting. With your comment about always running I had an epiphany. The new home screen is more like an app drawer of favorites, but with active content. Like a bad copy of windows phone 8.
Mohjive ( 2015-09-11 22:14:36 +0300 )edit@chemist,
This is where I prefer the new design. You don't need to unlock the phone to launch an app. Just grab the phone and pull up the launcher.
AliN ( 2015-09-12 13:07:00 +0300 )edit@jii
Say, do you like the new cover-actions?
mlatu ( 2015-09-29 10:28:43 +0300 )edit@mlatu don't forget to ask about the new pulley-menu!
chemist ( 2015-09-29 10:31:35 +0300 )edit@chemist i am less concerned about looks (sorry) and more about removed gestures. also, didnt someone at jolla say something like "we dont want our users to click on tiny buttons"?
Though, if you are talking about that unreasonably long pulley-menu-selection-confirmation-animation, i do agree that this has to be changed sooner or later.
mlatu ( 2015-09-29 10:43:32 +0300 )edit@chemist@mlatu: or what the extra screen area should be used for, since it's empty now (or you see the top of the fourth row, but that doesn't help in anywayore than hinting that more apps are open since you can't access the cover actions on those app with the new "cover tap"). It wouldn't be goodlooking to.expand the.covers vertically even more since they already takes the whole width.
Mohjive ( 2015-09-29 10:47:24 +0300 )edit@mlatu ehrm, hehe, there is no "new pulley-menu" on home-screen, sorry I did not intend to confuse this... in 1.1 you could swipe twice to go to lock-screen and use the pulley without looking, 2.0 has so many design flaws to serve android mainstream users... @Mohjive that was actually something I liked in Harmattan, the fav-bar everywhere with a bottom-swipe-hold gesture and would suit SFOS very good.
chemist ( 2015-09-29 11:32:45 +0300 )editFrequently needed apps are launched and available via their covers, aren't they? Or do you prefer to launch them from scratch every time?
kandelabra ( 2015-09-29 11:44:29 +0300 )edit@kandelabra on my 1.1 fav bar are exactly those apps I do not leave open, in general I have 5+ apps open always, that does not include at least 4 apps I frequently use but do not leave open like camera, browser, mediaplayer, maps, gallery and so on... so I had 3 in lock-screen pulley and four in fav-bar and 5+ always open...
chemist ( 2015-09-29 12:17:13 +0300 )edit@kandelabra: since cover placement is only semi-static - it changes if user launch an app, close an app, move an app or reboot phone (which happen more often than installing/deleting an app in app drawer) - it's hard to imprint placement of covers in muscle memory. And as scrolling in home page is continuous, when more than 9 apps are open, it's impossible to imprint position for the apps below the first 9 apps in muscle memory. With that said, besides the three or four apps I always have open each session, it's easier to open app drawer and tap that icon for me, I can do that without looking - even the apps on page two or three in my app drawer.
Mohjive ( 2015-09-29 12:30:54 +0300 )edit@chemist i assumed you were talking about the new design of the pulley menus. i do know that there is none on the homescreen.
now, on the lockscreen there is still the pulley menu... sucks though because you cant access the lock screen. except by locking and again waking up your phone that is.. though i suppose this will be changed somewhen
mlatu ( 2015-09-29 13:06:00 +0300 )edit@chemist: right, I forgot about that gesture (even though I had an idea with that and activating pulleys some time ago)
Mohjive ( 2015-09-29 13:11:50 +0300 )edit@chemist, 3+4+5+ = at least 12 apps. It is a half of apps pool on Jolla. May be it is easier to have home screen full of icons? Just like any other smartphone :)
kandelabra ( 2015-09-29 23:39:30 +0300 )edit