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Alternate ways to activate pulley menus

asked 2014-01-03 02:26:50 +0300

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updated 2014-10-23 16:44:58 +0300

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It's hard to access pulley menus when content is long. Currently you have to scroll all the way to the top to access the top pulley and to the bottom for the bottom one.

Add own suggestions bellow on how you think this should be implemented or just vote for your favorite.

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answered 2014-01-03 02:29:12 +0300

Mohjive gravatar image

updated 2014-02-07 03:55:11 +0300

Suggestion: Inspired by the application shortcuts at the bottom of my N9, which are presented if you stop a swipe from the bottom and hold it just as you pass the screen edge, one should be able to stop and hold a swipe to activate the pulley menu.

You start a swipe (from the top or bottom), but just as you pass the screen edge you stop and hold for a short time which activates the pulley menu and you can continue with selecting entries in the pulley menu.

This should be possible both from the top and the bottom, as suggested above.

[Edit]This will not conflict with peeking, as when you peek you have to move the finger about 1.5cm or more into the screen for the application to be translucent enough for the peek to be effective. The suggested hold action should be done before that, when the application is nearly opaque.

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this wll trigger very often with peeking

chemist ( 2014-02-07 03:01:35 +0300 )edit

no, since when you peek you don't stop just inside the screen. The screen you peek at will not be visible enough through the application since the application is nearly opaque still. You have to move your finger a bit further for the peek to be effective.

@chemist: you shouldn't really down-vote on a whim, or when you don't understand the implications of the question or suggestion. It's bad manners. Better ask the person who have made the question/suggestion to describe it better.

Mohjive ( 2014-02-07 03:23:40 +0300 )edit

It solves an important problem: the way it works now, you can't access a pulley menu unless you have scrolled to the top of the screen. This method would work however far you have scrolled.

00prometheus ( 2014-02-07 03:44:15 +0300 )edit

I think it would also conflict with the device lock and the close app gestures

shfit ( 2014-10-02 13:33:14 +0300 )edit

@shfit: most probably not, since lock and close would be a smooth swipe from the top, while my proposed alternative is start a swipe but stop and hold, just as you enter the screen, until the pulley is activated, and then you continue the movement.

Mohjive ( 2014-10-02 13:43:45 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-01-22 17:50:28 +0300

Aigner gravatar image

Reserve center-border-swipe for pulley menu!

Divide the upper border into three parts left/middle/right. Only "left" and "right" can be used to close an app. A border swipe in the middle will always bring up the pulley menu.

This would also help to avoid closing an app unwillingly (happens me all the time :-/)

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This is too complicated, better to just have arrows on long lists to jump to either beginning our end of a long list... then you could access the pulley faster.

keenofhiphop ( 2014-10-05 18:34:26 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-01-22 21:11:33 +0300

Fellfrosch gravatar image

I already suggested a two finger swipe: https://together.jolla.com/question/13595/two-fingers-swipe-for-pulley/ but it seems that nobody want to use a multi-touch-screen with more than one finger...

So I have another suggestion: we have a gestures switching from the outside to the inside, why not vice versa using a gesture swiping from the inside to the outside. that's not the most intuitive gesture but it's a very easy one. Maybe it would be a better gesture for closing apps and locking the device so we can use swiping from the outside for the pulley.

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The greatest drawback of the two finger swipe is that you can't do it with a single hand. I voted +1 for the inside-outside swipe.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2014-01-23 12:01:58 +0300 )edit

Maybe the best gesture is from inside to the bottom outside:

  • Easy to reach with your thumb
  • The already existing gestures can be kept
  • The direction is the is intuitive (pulling down for a pull down menu)
Fellfrosch ( 2014-01-23 12:54:19 +0300 )edit

Wouldn't this conflict with the pull gesture (i.e. the one to accept/cancel a requester)?

00prometheus ( 2014-02-07 03:42:36 +0300 )edit

Two finger swipe would be a great idea. It would also prevent closing apps accidentally (happens to me all the time). I also thought of proposing that. Maybe make it at least an option in System Settings?

dthierbach ( 2014-10-02 12:30:40 +0300 )edit

@Giacomo Di Giacomo: Why shouldn't you be able to do a two finger swipe with one hand? Just use two fingers of the same hand, e.g. index and middle finger. The touch screen detects touch points and their size, not whether they are from different hands.

dthierbach ( 2014-10-02 12:32:15 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-01-22 15:08:34 +0300

Giacomo Di Giacomo gravatar image

updated 2014-01-22 15:08:51 +0300

Alternate solution: Activate pulley menus by pulling from the top/bottom of the screen slightly below the border, independently from where the page has been scrolled to. Like this: Swipe from the edge: close app (top)/notifications (bottom). Pull from just below/above the edge (about the top/bottom 1/5 of the screen): top or bottom pulley menu. Pull from nearer the centre of the screen: normal scrolling (or maybe, pulley menu if there is nothing to scroll).

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answered 2014-10-01 19:19:46 +0300

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updated 2014-10-01 19:21:12 +0300

a sticky page header...like warehouse

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i agree, it's a simple an intuitive solution, with the only drawback of occupying some screen space, but maybe this issue could be avoided by reserving the edges just inside the screen for pulley menus without using permanent headers/toolbars and such, which is pretty much what @Giacomo Di Giacomo suggested

shfit ( 2014-10-01 21:26:34 +0300 )edit

This can be implemented in any app right now. Just put a SilicaFlickable with a PageHeader and a PullDownMenu and then anchor the SilicaListView inside the flickable.

jollailija ( 2016-01-08 17:27:11 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-10-01 20:50:21 +0300

drcouzelis gravatar image

Double tap anywhere! Then pull down.

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The first tap would activate stuff. If it didn't, this would slow down things as it needs to wait for a possible second tap before doing stuff.

jollailija ( 2016-01-08 17:24:57 +0300 )edit

Excellent point! Haha, I don't even remember writing this! :)

drcouzelis ( 2016-01-08 17:52:15 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-01-07 23:09:35 +0300

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Tap on the pulley menu indicator on top (or bottom) of the screen. The pulley menu would then open and you can tap on the desired option. I would actually prefer this action to the regular pulley menu action. (I am not a big fan of the "drag to select" used in the pulley menus)

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You can pull them down all the way and then tap on the menu item you want to select.

nthn ( 2016-01-08 00:21:50 +0300 )edit

You can just fling them open, no need to slowly pull all the way. Also, if you start pulling from too far up/down and your finger goes off the screen, the pulley will fully expand.

jollailija ( 2016-01-08 15:41:47 +0300 )edit

@decon - I think you have a good idea, but I'm afraid the other commenters are missing the meaning of your post. :) Yes, when I'm at the botton of a long list of content it would be nice to be able to tap an always-visible pulley menu indicator at the top of the screen. The drawback is, would the phone (and me!) be able to tell the difference between a pull from the top, a tap on the edge, and a tap near the top?

drcouzelis ( 2016-01-08 15:53:28 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-01-22 15:15:19 +0300

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I can see a combination of both... holding the screen for 1 second without moving activates the pulley menu... this comes with an addition of the glowing line and a short feedback (vibrating) from the phone... something like that? maybe better to make this option only available near the upper/lower border, as long holding items usually offers different options ... would also make the gallery app a little more intuitive to use...

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sounds like it would conflict with context menus of the items a lot

bara ( 2014-01-22 18:28:43 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-10-02 01:04:17 +0300

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updated 2014-10-02 11:47:48 +0300

Activate pulley menu by pushing the bottom edge.

Relocate Events. This frees bottom edge push for apps' own use. (eg. pulley menu, browser menu bar)

Here are 2 options where to put Events:

top events

cross layout

Edit 2.10.2014: Added events to top for first pic, added descriptions

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Also nice idea. Reminds me on the N9.

torcida ( 2014-10-02 01:39:19 +0300 )edit

I like to have Events screen always accessible with a swipe from the lower side... having it only on the multitasking screen is too limited IMHO.

Orologiaio ( 2014-10-02 01:56:22 +0300 )edit

That would mean you would need to swipe twice just to see your notifications! It's like we're back on Android (with full screen mode enabled)!

nthn ( 2014-10-02 08:50:25 +0300 )edit

Thank you for the feedback! I use the events view quite little and thought the active covers (of facebook, whatsapp...) would compensate peeking events. Maybe I aped the N9 a bit too much :). My point was that if you want to get most of your screen estate you have to dedicate one edge push for apps. SailfishOS is the only major smartphone OS that doesn't give apps an edge to push/swipe. Where you relocate events is another question. All the big ones (except BB) use top push/swipe. I'll add this to the answer.

peq ( 2014-10-02 11:14:31 +0300 )edit

Re: the change you made: it's actually quite difficult to get your finger all the way to the top of the screen and then move it down, this is the reason why accessing notifications in Sailfish is not done from the top but from the bottom. You (or at least I) can't use an Android phone singlehandedly if you want to access the notifications (unless you have a small phone and big hands), and considering notifications are a rather important part, that is not ideal. Of course, as you say, if you don't use the events view that much thanks to the active covers, it's not that important, but I don't think everyone keeps all apps open all the time (even though this is one of the main pros of Sailfish).

nthn ( 2014-10-02 12:07:50 +0300 )edit

answered 2019-12-10 21:34:08 +0300

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updated 2019-12-11 00:23:12 +0300

i'd make pully accessible by swiping on scrollbar, if, of course, they aren't planning to introduce any other conflicting features to a scrollbar which involve swiping.

Also, there could be an overlayed semitransparent user-displaceable fingertip-sized ui element which if dragged downwards will trigger top pulley and viceversa.

It would be fun experiment to try to combine top pully with the statusbar and bottompully with the app launcher, so edge swipes could be used for both.

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