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What would you do with a (very) large touchscreen able to run Sailfish?

asked 2014-01-03 18:51:23 +0200

updated 2014-01-03 19:22:26 +0200

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What would you change in Sailfish UI on such a large form factor? How would you like it to integrate with your Jolla device? What would you use it for? How would you like it to look :)

Hi, I'm Carsten Munk, Chief Research Engineer at Jolla. Let's try to grow the skunkworks of Jolla and SailfishOS together. Use the tag 'skunkworks' for your ideas and thoughts. Rule #1 of skunkworks: stick to something that is not short term (rest of site is good for that), but is possible 6 months from now or beyond that. I believe that the best research department a mobile OS can have is a worldwide community of passionate contributors and users. Let's prove this theory right.

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I'l make it a xbmc like livingroom machine so my guests can play with it and can have the SailfishOS experience.

BonoNL ( 2014-01-03 18:55:57 +0200 )edit

invent new usage on big screen like E-Ink colors without warm the fingers and eye tired less like e-paper that was never possible before SailfishOS :-)

Available 6x 10 fingers gesture for play/work (usable by 6 simultaneous human input)

I hope better concept play on big screen gesture/eye gesture/virtual keyboard input improvement also optimized for limited human (ease of use) fully usable by single hand or and eye

redge73 ( 2014-01-19 03:53:24 +0200 )edit

WaylandVNC or SailfishVNC JollaVNC server/client server/viewer or host/guest customer/technician remote/local re-invent remote management full gesture/touch even remote is only keyboard/mice

redge73 ( 2014-02-17 17:17:02 +0200 )edit

I would continue with my sad face since Sailfish OS was not created with portrait AND landscape mode from the very beginning, and in the core. :P

martinrusler ( 2014-07-26 23:20:54 +0200 )edit

@martinrusler didn't you already say it? :)

magullo ( 2014-07-27 00:48:23 +0200 )edit

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answered 2014-01-03 20:51:48 +0200

mariano gravatar image

updated 2014-01-03 20:57:26 +0200

  • I would add the 5 fingers pinch possibility to minimize an app and go direclty to live apps screen
  • A multitasking scroll view (of live apps) from the bottom of the screen every time you swipe up (from the bottom's edge). Whatever app is open you can always have the chance to watch the "scroll view" of live apps.

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The live apps should still have the cover actions, great for running music in the background etc. Furthermore you could add sensors/information like the weather or change the lighting (philips hue lights) using these covers. Like the Star Trek wall panels really.

StanceVonKofsky ( 2014-01-03 20:59:16 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-01-03 20:47:18 +0200

MartinK gravatar image

These come to my mind:

  • map & satellite image browsing
  • using maps to coordinate large events, such as festivals using a shared map
  • desktop RPG visualization
  • "hands-on" :) OSM data editing
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make it the table on my yacht^^

chemist ( 2014-07-30 00:13:00 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-01-04 15:16:42 +0200

Nux gravatar image

updated 2014-01-05 04:31:49 +0200

I'm thinking of a way to divide screen to allow some apps to always take little space (e.g. some users might prefer audio player to be always mostly in cover mode). Go into editing mode and shuffle apps around and quickly resize them, then freeze the layout. There would need to be some gesture (e.g. long tap on menu bar) to make some app go full screen and then bring it back to previous layout.

The apps should reside in drawers. Not folders, but drawers. Users would put apps in drawers where they would be paused when the drawer is closed and resumed when it is opened (kind of like sidebars and folders in one). The apps would have various predefined sizes - e.g. icon size, cover size, small size (like on a phone), half screen, full screen.

Each app could be in more then one drawer to allow users to have predefined layouts for various occasions and restore for later.

Long tap on drawer icon could allow you to peek into it without opening it. Single tap would just show icons of the apps in the drawer that would allow users to either open a single app or move it to a different drawer. Swipe gesture would open the drawer.

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answered 2014-01-03 18:59:35 +0200

gabriel gravatar image

updated 2014-01-03 19:04:24 +0200

Well, you are asking 2 questions really, what would I do and how would I change the UI ;-)
What would I do: table sized? put it in the middle of the living room and expect to control many, many things (home theatre, etc. etc.)
What would I change? I'm not a UX expert unfortunately, but I suppose the pulley menu(s) will have to go and the pagination would need to change or disappear. The fact that you can display multiple fully sized windows will change everything, but the cover actions may be kept. The application launcher/switcher would need to change too. This is a tough one, so just throwing ideas.

EDIT/ADDITION: oh, yeah, and what would I do with tablet sized? I don't know... it's a good question, I almost always want a physical keyboard, so that would be a laptop. Sailfish won't make much sense on a laptop, unless it becomes a windows manager for any Linux distro?

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I'd think perhaps a three steps kind of thing, cover -> minimized (literally) -> foreground (big and active and what I use currently) for app states. Many apps would stay in cover form for long, while sometimes i just want to move an app away while I work on something else. Would have to be multiple window indeed. Within a window you could still pulley, though.

Stskeeps ( 2014-01-03 19:14:10 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-01-03 19:27:39 +0200

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updated 2014-01-03 19:29:14 +0200

At the moment I don't see it for the home but as a general touch 3D browser device to put in the hall of museums, hotels, malls, conference centres, expo etc... where guests have an opportunity to easily navigate a 3D model of the place to get orientation. The 3D browser should be fluid and futuristic. Could be a first use of WebGL?

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answered 2014-01-06 16:15:11 +0200

Tom Swindell gravatar image

I think I'd like something like this in the Kitchen, to view recipes do online shopping or creating a shopping list and beaming it to hand held device. Casual media consumption when in the kitchen like music, video, etc. Would also be a good platform for kids to use the internet and play games whilst remaining under adult supervision.

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answered 2014-01-19 03:29:48 +0200

ramoth gravatar image

updated 2014-01-19 03:30:10 +0200

Tiling the screen to allow "real multitasking" would be one thing, another thing would be to add more desktop-typical applications like Open Office optimized for Sailfish UI. It could be a pretty awesome fully producive tablet. Having the weTab which was sold in Germany and which is based on Meego, I had a pretty good experience with that, just missing some touch optimized apps...

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answered 2014-02-05 07:24:20 +0200

A very large screen... well, that depends on what we mean by "very large."

If its a screen between 7 and 11 inches, I'd expect to see edge gestures continue to play a large part towards in-app and app-to-app navigation. I'd like to see hot spots in-between those areas for the mid-screen gestures we see on a smaller mobile, but makes sense as those items would be a bit more needed closer to the attending digits on the hand in such a form factor. I'd like to see the entrance of ink/stylus support, with probably some kind of interface for extending input create/copy/cut/paste/compute facilities - something like what's seen in Samsung's Galaxy Note series, or in the fan-UI that apps like DIfferent Tack have tried.

If its a screen between 11 and 24 inches, I'm expecting that it woudln't be all that mobile. I'd like to see the UI evolve into manageable workspaces. If you will, the task/apps screen on the handheld version of Sailfish would have to become workspaces in which apps can own a bit more of the content stream. I'd be ok with being able to work in multiple workspaces at once in such a view, as long as the same engine that's used for gestures would pick up being used for spatial orientation devices (for example, a bluetooth pen that works on the z-axis or the support of the Leap Motion or other gesture/eye tracking devices). Of course, I'd like to see the UI elements redrawn for the 3ft view (not the 19in view that it currently has); and some additional support in native apps for displaying fuller content.

If its a screen larger than 24 inches, I'm expecting it to either be an entertainment machine (probably the front end to a media service/server, or even a slave screen exporting content from a handheld Jolla device so that it could be manipulated by one and shared to many. UI elements here would have to be redone for the 10ft viewport. I'd only expect vertical applications to continue with a primarly gesure-driven UI. Only when its off, or some kind of proximity/sensor attachment could see that its necessary to use touch since one is that close should it be an option. Otherwise, support of navigating by voice, mobile, or spatial input device should work well.

Having said all of this, I'd really like to see Jolla devices support the 1st two I mentioned right out of the box as default, and then the 12-24 inch viewport as the second installed option. More often than not, the hardware to support casting to the size screen of the latter makes good sense. And if its cast there, then the UI should adapt to what's possible in tha context.

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answered 2014-01-19 02:59:47 +0200

redge73 gravatar image

updated 2014-01-19 03:12:16 +0200

True local/remote, client/server/ connection gesture/finger/virtual keyboard typ optimized even the remote that NOT gesture touch/virtual keyboard at all. I guess/count SailfishOS can do that ?

exemple: with full gesture/very good virtual keyboard in mind vncviewer/remote desktop client to vnc server/remote desktop host won't have this ability :-) making also work a pleasure client with tablet gesture connected to host server full keyboard/mice UI as real/true life/work/play.

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answered 2014-02-05 10:13:07 +0200

droll gravatar image

just a simple suggestion to support multi-touch gestures beyond pinch and zoom. and these gestures could add on to the ones that come with sailfish.

some example uses 1. to launch apps (configurable as to which apps to launch). kinda like a shortcut. 2. to lock and unlock auto rotation. 3. to set phone to silent or audible mode 4. set phone to flight mode or non-flight mode. 5. etc.

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