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What are real assets in Jolla/Sailfish - why should anybody invest in them? [answered]

asked 2015-11-29 21:07:07 +0300

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Yes, the question is a little bit provocative but still valid. How do you see what the real assets of Jolla and especially Sailfish are? Why should anybody invest in them? What would we say in front of a big-packet guy?

Let's put together why is Sailfish and/or Jolla important for us? What are the facts/emotions that justify their existence?

note: I play devil's advocate here - no offense! :D

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answered 2015-11-29 21:27:00 +0300

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Simple because we need urgently an alternative. Without Sailfish its a choice "between pest and cholera", and I for myself want at least one other option. That this option we are talking about is doing a lot of things better (e.g. privacy, community-involvment, open-sourcing...) is a very appreciating on-top issue.

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Android is open source, community is involved - see plethora of mods, e.g. Cyanogen.

OK, privacy is really unique asset nowadays but will it be enough? Will it be attractive enough for any device manufacturer/investor to jump in?

Someone told me once: "when you get something for free you can be sure you are the goods being sold..."

note: I play devil's advocate here - no offense! :D

zlutor ( 2015-11-29 22:01:04 +0300 )edit
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What if Sailfish Alliance is converted into a co-operative organization (gathering manufacturers, software publishers and telco operators) collecting license fees from hardware industry and application marketplaces to fund promotion, support and development of SFOS?

objectifnul ( 2015-11-29 22:11:30 +0300 )edit

@zlutor: Android is open source and has a community ... OK, but nevertheless any market needs alternatives. Sailfish will propably always be a niche product, but I'm sure that in the longterm integrity and those privacy stuff will convince a stable core of users of Sailfish...of course Sailfish has to prove that it will stay to its principles.

Jolkas ( 2015-11-29 22:25:15 +0300 )edit
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@objectifnul: how many of that partners are still in and active? Not to mention this page seems to be rather old - no Intex mentioned, ST-Ericsson has gone...

zlutor ( 2015-11-29 22:32:21 +0300 )edit
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@Jolkas, Sailfish is not the only alternative. There is Firefox, Ubungu Touch, Tizen, BlacBerry... Some of them dead or dying, others far ahead of Sailfish (both in terms of OS maturity and market penetration) or catching up fast. So the question remains valid: why invest in Sailfish and not one of the others?

(Also playing a devil's advocate here. I think it's good to ask such questions, if only to make yourself formulate your arguments better.)

pichlo ( 2015-11-29 23:26:34 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-11-29 22:25:21 +0300

Giacomo Di Giacomo gravatar image

Because its the only mobile OS that a) really works and b) lets you do what you want and not what it wants you to do. I must say that I don't know the latest Blackberry OS but it looks like it isn't going to last much.

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answered 2015-11-30 12:43:05 +0300

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updated 2015-11-30 12:52:47 +0300

The UI-Concept is clean, simple and an joy to use.
On the other side, the UI of Android is already a complete mess:

  • Menu-List (Hamburger)
  • Menu-Dots
  • Hardware-Option-Button
  • Long-Press
  • Side-Flick or Side-Swing...WTF?
  • Every manufacturer with his own "UI" on top of this

Okay. So Jolla does something right, which someone other fucked up already. And on top of this, Jolla allows for really multitasking, the apps are actuall still running, already visible and even usable. While on iOS and Android you don't see them directly and interacting with them is a mess.

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answered 2015-11-29 23:41:25 +0300

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  1. Sailfish OS gives me control over what is running on my phone. For me this is very important because of battery life. In general, I want to have clean computer systems, running no services I do not need or want.
  2. Android emulation is valuable and works well. There are a few Android apps I could not live without. One is the Cram.com client.
  3. It is fast. Ubuntu phone is not there yet, and probably will not be for a year or two.
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answered 2015-11-30 02:07:23 +0300

ApB gravatar image

What would we say in front of a big-packet guy?

Is that 10 millions in your pocket or you are happy to see me.

Joking apart i'd say: We have an almost ready for prime time mobile OS, uncluttered, lean and efficient. We have a team of capable engineers. We can give to any MFG the ability to offer -by controlling SW, updates & HW integration- an Apple like experience for less than what apple charges. With the tablet reaching the US and parts of the World that the phone wasn't available we will be able to demonstrate the advantages of SFOS to more people and create an audience for future products.

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answered 2015-11-30 13:11:15 +0300

pawel gravatar image

its the only non-us os

its an alternative to the big 2,5: android, apple, ms

it is already mature, working realy well

linux based with android support

huge parts open source ..

but i think these are obvious things

the question is how do you want to generate money out of it?

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"the question is how do you want to generate money out of it?" - yessss...

And the answer will decide whether those millions of $$$ will land on Jolla's account or not. Except money comes from a non-profit fund... :D

zlutor ( 2015-11-30 15:19:22 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-11-30 13:04:29 +0300

AkiBerlin gravatar image

updated 2015-11-30 13:06:13 +0300

Sailfish, the OS, masters to provide:

  • an easy-to-use UI,
  • true multitasking (of course, memory limited)
  • the potential for good one-handed use (that is compromised by the hardware of the present phone)
  • the possibility to use Android apps
  • access to the entire file system
  • fast response even on not-so-good hardware (like Jolla 1)

In fact, whenever I have to use my brother's IPhone, my wife's Android phone or even my own Blackberry I wonder why these phones are so complicated to use.

The problem with Sailfisch might be that poeple are just not used to true multitasking on a phone so that this feature is neither appreciated nor missed.

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answered 2015-11-30 13:20:53 +0300

Macilaci457 gravatar image

updated 2015-11-30 13:22:23 +0300

There is need for a unique, unlike investor, a manufacturer that makes good looking unique phones for people, and addition to that a different OS that is at least as good as the others. Mind that, people buy things, not OS. People want nice things in their hand.

Sailfish need devices, thats it. Android can be any good really, people will always buy the next fancy phone that runs it even if the last one was already good. Because they like new things. It is not about the OS.

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