I want another phone from Jolla!!!! [answered]

I agree that the community should not push Jolla but phone manufacturers to support Jolla by licencing Sailfish. Why are people moaning here? Go and write to manufacturers, distributors, startups. They need to see the crowd willing to buy phones with Sailfish. They need to see the money.

@Macilaci457 Go and have a look at the comments to PuzzlePhones' inidiegogo campaign. You will find most comments being about them also offering a SFOS alternative. So your suggestion has been heard and acted upon even before you have expressed it :-)

PuzzlePhone, just like FairPhone, has committed to work towards a SFOS version with the SFOS community. But both claim that they cannot promise a full-featured Jolla version (incl. alienDalvic, maps, etc.) at the present point in time. I am not surprised about that, given the current state of Jolla oy. Anyway, we are making a diffence with those manufacturers which are more about changing the world rather than bluntly making money. These companies can appreciate the value that is in the determination and loyalty of community members.

But I doubt that we can make a big impression with the mass market providers. For them each and everyone of us is just one paying customer like any other less passionate one as well. In reagrds of the one and only Jolla SFOS table there have been about 10,000 of those. This is a tiny number! Someone like Intex or Samsung would need to fetch a microscope to recognise us. We are insignificant to them.

That's why we have to think of two independent but interwoven spheres. The mass market at the one hand, that Jolla can deliver to through partnering with mass market providers via licensing policies; and the community at the other hand that can help with developing the platform (if Jolla makes the code base available under a free or non-free Open Source license) and developing the vision (like we do right now and here). And the community needs a new but community-like phone. It can't do with a branded 3rd party mass market phone. And there may be two of such phones in the very near future.

i'm a bit hesitant to back a flexible funding campaign that is on its way to fail. I know they have EU funding and stuff and claim to produce the PP even if the campaign fails but if thats the case i could wait for the final product and i don't get why they chose to make a CF-campaign if they don't need funds. This feels too cheesy for me. I would be in if there were more than a weak promise for a community edition SFOS rom.

@michel My understanding is that they have access to extremely modern production lines in Finland which allows them to produce batches as small as 100 units. And a CF-campaign is perfect for such a scenario and additionaly allows to raise awareness (I have not heard of them before). More than anything it can give you an indication of the market interest. Right now they have a lot offeedback about people wanting them to offer a fully supported and Jolla backed SFOS. They have responded quickly and offered anything they could from their side, including a maker kit, to make that a reality.

PuzzlePhone looks nice. But I do not believe it will live or be more than a niche product. Is is not so much interest as I see. No offical SFOS support. It is too expensive, I tell you. But I like the idea.

The fairphone has too many parts. Even Jolla failed with the TOH cincept, too hard to make anything worth be a consumer accessory.

So I am off at the moment. I want long term support for my money. I know it is not possible or easy to reach.