asked 2019-02-10 17:16:42 +0300
Question is clear, due the lack of official info, the commets about the dont update anymore AlienDalvik on Xperia X, the faulty bluetooth, sensors and camera. Is the Xperia X abandoned and Jolla put their efforts only on XA2?
Not in negative mood, but a litte info sometimes is a good thing and the users will not feel so stupid.
Thank you.
answered 2019-03-07 20:12:49 +0300
A little update from today's SailfishOS collaboration meeting:
09:27:45 <coolgeek> another topic : is there any plan to support NFC in alien dalvik on xperia x ?</coolgeek>
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09:31:53 <jaymzz> Coolgeek: I got news that it is not likely for NFC support to happen for the Xperia X, but it's not 100% yet.</jaymzz>
NFC was explicitly promised in this blog post in Jan 2018 for Sailfish X. Since Xperia X was the only available phone back then, this implied support for this phone!
It's just frustrating to use a phone which features nice specs but gets crippled for the camera, NFC, multithreading, battery lifetime in WiFi (to name some) by the operating system. This was not the bet when you encouraged people buying the Xperia X for using SailfishOS. And again you try sitting it out by admitting the shortcomings piece by piece over different unrelated channels like in the mer-meetings (see above). That's bad politician-style.
To sum up: Xperia X is abandoned for feature updates.
The same will happen with the Xperia XA2 line sooner than later. It seems Jolla cannot keep pace with hardware related software development (such as hardware adaptation, Android blobs and drivers) as long as they try to adapt third-party (Android) devices. My guess is that also Xperia XA2 remains in beta status for the rest of its life.
ziellos ( 2019-03-08 08:49:22 +0300 )editIt seems to me Jolla are slowly losing ground.
Sadly for me the Xperia X will probably be my last Sailfish phone. There hasn't been enough development of the OS in the last three years to keep me. There's too many features either broken or non existent.
For an OS that was apparrently a follow on from Meego one would expect it to be least as good as Meego. Well it's not, and there doesn't seem to be any urgency to make improvements.
I'm sorry a new Sailfish 3 Ambience doesn't cut it.
I don't think I'm in the minority but until Sailfish has enough market penetration for mainstream app developers to develop apps for it Android support is a necessity.
AlanBreen ( 2019-03-08 09:37:28 +0300 )edit@AlanBreen I suspect the community program is on standby. Jolla is putting all its resources into corporate OS, maybe with the assumption that it will one day feedback the developments into the community OS. Assuming I am correct, I can understand this approach from the business side. However this leaves the current users with a beta product which was sold as finished. This holds for the Xperia X, the XA2 is avertised as beta, but in alpha state...
Spark ( 2019-03-08 13:27:20 +0300 )editanswered 2019-02-10 21:34:04 +0300
As far as I've understood the only limited one is especially the Android support since it's not possible to implement it any further. Comparing Xperia X to other Xperia devices that are now supported, I think that implementing SFOS side things like NFC (for everyone) is going to be done. The hardware used in these phones is pretty much the same when it comes to implementing SFOS features so it should be affordable.
Jolla has also stated before the Sailfish 3 upgrade that they want to offer Sailfish on every device that has been supported, starting from Jolla 1. Citing this, I see that it would be pretty stupid from them to change this suddenly. I'd say that Xperia X's Sailfish support will continue in the future too.
I agree that there should be more "open" information about the plans and official announcement.
Is not posibble? Its just an opinion, anyway, buy SFOS X include the AlienDalvik support and now is impossible to implement.
strobovalo ( 2019-02-10 21:51:52 +0300 )edit@pmelas and what's the problem with upgrading kernel on Xperia X? Sony officially support X with AOSP and kernel 4.9. so what's the problem? Sony Supported Devices
lolek ( 2019-02-10 22:38:41 +0300 )editThe way Android 8.1 is implemented on the XA2 is very different than 4.4 on the X, which might make an in-place upgrade, in which all Android apps and settings are preserved, very hard. But I, for one, would be OK if an upgrade means I've to reinstall (and re-setup) all Android apps, or even the entire device.
Fuzzillogic ( 2019-02-10 22:51:33 +0300 )editYes, as I said, this implementing issue is what I've heard here in Jolla together. It seems that it's not technically affordable to upgrade it and considering the effort that is now being put to XA2 and Android 8.1 v. support.
Sure it's a bit annoying that you've bought the phone for main use and now you can use even less and less apps since apps require higher API levels. I would have had this same situation if my own Xperia X hadn't broken last summer.
Sakke ( 2019-02-10 22:54:36 +0300 )editanswered 2019-02-11 19:42:35 +0300
I know that Xperia X is still supported, I talk about Android updates and progression of the still not supported parts or not supported at all, I just want some official answers, for this issues and others, a chitchat is for nothing.
Anyway, thank you for all comments.
all right. then for official answer you may surf on google, qwant duckduck go, search with alien dalvik and find a product from myriad. Then you'll be maybe more successful than me and find histories and changelogs. and for any news with official character about its integration on sailfish-OS, you'll find it in release tickets:
https://together.jolla.com/question/184471/release-notes-220-mouhijoki-released/#184471-aliendalvik
https://together.jolla.com/question/191509/release-notes-300-lemmenjoki/#191509-aliendalvik
https://together.jolla.com/question/198359/release-notes-sailfish-x-beta-30114/#198359-how-is-android-81-apps-support-better-than-that-of-444
https://together.jolla.com/question/195734/release-notes-301-sipoonkorpi/#195734-aliendalvik
And please as already told before, not just look on what it is told, but on the things that's are not told.
"No changes" doesn't means that it is not supported any more, but maybe only there is nothing more to do...
Why do you want more information,all is clear, isn't it?
Have nice continuation. cheers ;-)
Yet again, this is not just about the (related) Android emulation layer update, but also about updating the kernel and drivers (long available from Sony in both 4.4 and 4.9 flawours) to fix hardware issues, possibly also security issues and make the base more relevant in general.
A newer kernel might make many container and sanboxing kernel APIs available, which are used more and more nowadays by the likes of Flatpak and even Jolla itself for the Android layer container on the XA2.
MartinK ( 2019-02-12 01:58:56 +0300 )edit@MartinK you make a mix. as the Ticket holder told it talks about android part...
I know, that's not so obvious on how it is presented. but it talks about android layer.
I think if you want to express yourself about those points you told i suggest to find an other one for this topic, or to create it. ;-)
@strobovalo it would be judicious that you make some changes to your thread that it present it explicitly with its context. With dedicated tags and keywords on title...
It's just a suggestion...
@MartinK after reading you twice, maybe i understand what you mean...
That's a good point,
but i believe that jolla has found an other "android-emulation-box", because the other seems not to be developed any-more...
I mean with it, that current devices stay with the old one, and the interface around it will be improved, fixed if it's needed.
And for the new one, all the parts around will be new developped.
answered 2019-02-11 13:29:37 +0300
As you already read about the first jolla phone, it is still supported and jolla is proud about it.
Why should jolla abandon the xperia x and build a contradiction with their politic to still support old phones.
That don't make sense.
And same as in the past, new supported phone needs a lots of new, declaration, information from any side (business customers, providers).
That seems to overflow the communications streams but the other devices are still on board.
Furthermore it will be communicated in release tickets that some devices are not any more supported.
No information of that kind were communicated...
Thus no worry Xperia x is still supported.
Then again, there's supported and supported. For instance, support for SFOS3 is most likely not going away; but android might stay the same.
tortoisedoc ( 2019-02-11 13:43:20 +0300 )editI am very happy with my xperia X. I use bluetooth, vpn, wlan, fingerprint lock, whatsapp, compass, and here we go maps. I also have the xa2 ultra but it remains in the desk drawer until all of the kinks are worked out, and once fingerprint reader is functional.
It is so worth it for me to not use IOS or Google phones. Thank you for all of the hard work on Sailfish over the years .
willspoke ( 2019-02-11 16:04:33 +0300 )editi mean is this a joke? sailfishos x on xperia is good yes but far away from android counterpart still.
tortoisedoc ( 2019-02-11 16:22:18 +0300 )edit@tortoisedoc depends on which aspect we observe...
For example private sphere side, sfos is far away ahead from android... ;-)
You know what, in really that make not sense to compare both, because each serve functionalities with completely different philosophy.
People who have no matter about their own data are satisfied with android.
Those who more care about it, have with sfos more security for their data, get the complement with alien dalvik for the lack app from sfos vs android.
Sfos shall not do all that android do exactly, otherwise sfos will turn to evil (will be useless) ;-)
Alien dalvik is to be seen just as compensation..
answered 2019-11-05 19:11:09 +0300
As the original question was narrowed down by the OP (@strobovalo) to address only Android support, closing this as a duplicate of https://together.jolla.com/question/211347/please-upgrade-xperia-xs-android-support-from-44-to-81/
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NFC doesnt work either. I dont think Jolla will spend much resources at the X now they have the XA2.
We just have been guinea pigs for them.
makarch ( 2019-02-10 18:51:21 +0300 )editI have no issues with the X. Even Bluetooth works fine. And sensors? Who cares. GPS and compas works.
yomark ( 2019-02-10 19:48:26 +0300 )edit@makarch it does work, but as in the release notes: "Support added for reading NFC tags - initially limited to a customer device"
emva ( 2019-02-10 21:02:57 +0300 )editThe point is the unkept promises and the poor life time support.
I dont understand the negative votes or karma or whatever.
strobovalo ( 2019-02-10 21:31:40 +0300 )editSony abandoned the X a year ago and no one blinked an eye. Just expect it - the money, time, effort flows on whatever's the latest thing. Mobile moves fast these days. If you're stressed about losing support for a phone older than a year, just keep buying new ones every year, because it's not going to get better. I'm just thankful for the work of the community devs. I still like my XC better with Sailfish than I did with the latest Android...
Levone1 ( 2019-02-10 21:49:32 +0300 )edit