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In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones who might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). As is I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones who which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). As is I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly georgeous. gorgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open.open. [I have to _Edit_: jolla could still be an alternative and Sailfish UI more important than being (fully) open; in addition I really like the sailor metaphor]

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly gorgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) then without also being open. [I have to _Edit_: [Edit: jolla could still be an alternative and Sailfish UI more important than being (fully) open; in addition I really like the sailor metaphor]

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly gorgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative (to me) to me then without also being open. [Edit: jolla could still be an alternative and Sailfish UI more important than being (fully) open; in addition I really like the sailor metaphor]

[Edit: Yay! James Caird, the little boat boarded on Elephant Island arrived in South Georgia and all crew got rescued. I'm so glad! (maybe too much of a stretch, but look up the images if you don't know them, beautiful. And removed two edits posted afterwards, was an impressive story of course about what can be achived (with luck and persistence and force))!]unimportant sidetrack]

In my opinion there is a big enough market for people who want a phone which is neither collecting as much data as possible (Android) nor locked down & censored (iPhone). Also important: openess, 'standard linux distribution' and nice design. I would be ready to pay between 50 and 100 € yearly to a company which provides and takes care of such a phone/software. Personally I don't need fancy hardware, but others might, thus there needs to be choices.

I hoped Jolla could be this, but

• open source: it was 'mis-marketed' in the begining, and the more I think about it, the less I see a way for a company to enter the smartphone business without being open source incl. UI. Nobody can fight against Google, Apple or Microsoft without much grassroot help and this will never be given without being open source.

• chase the wrong goals: once there was angry birds... recently this UI update to mixed results... several website updates... Was this money well spent? On the other hand important things for people which I suppose buy such a phone have been neglected: email, contacts, calendar, foto, synchronization, encryption, toh...

• business model & money & management: I loved the beautiful films, the tablet one was particularly gorgeous. But I always wondered about your business model. I cannot imagine that Sailfish on Intex could (at this time) become mainstream and 'print money'. How would you e.g. fight cheap android/windows phones which might even carry 'free' goodies? Why would Intex go with SF and not with e.g. Cyanogen? Shouldn't you rather address people as mentioned on top of this post who are prepared to support an alternative phone? - I don't mind tablet delays due to displays etc. but I wonder a bit about the software side. Shouldn't one be able to plan more accurately? (But maybe not and I can accept that projects are more difficult than thought or even fail). Shouldn't you have been a bit more frugal with your investment money?

• communication: terrible! Maybe you wanted too much with together, people powered, irc meetings, twitter, blog. With time noncommittal 'cool aid' overtook for me the 'we take you serious and are honest'. I'd like to mention that again and again developers showed up on together and provided advise, great!

• open development: why isn't all/most code on github where people can post issues and provide PRs. Together feels like a mess. Look at gitlab how they engage with the community and get a tremendous amount of features back (but then they have an easier business model and code is fully open source). I say this b/c I perceive the progress of e.g. calendar, email as very slow and you would have had, maybe still have, a community who could help.

• Delusion: I have read: "It's not the delays, it's that the world is slow" [to discover Sailfish OS as an alternative option to Android and iOS]. Sorry? - For me, it's the opposite: JOLLA is slow to find a business model that could work, JOLLA is slow to address the points that many have raised long ago. I recommended JOLLA to others but only very very cautiously, because (overgeneralised): for people who like android/iphone it doesn't 'just work' and too many features are missing. For people who want alternatives it is not open-source enough. For aesthetician the phone lost some charm with the last ui update.

• I suppose it is just REALLY difficult. If you open source then others can take away almost everything (except branding). If you don't, you loose. Ubuntu and Plasma Phone have rich investors which - if I'm not wrong - don't need a quick return and are partly 'create-a-better-world' driven.

I hope you find a way!! Despite my maybe harsh critic, I'm happy that there are companies like yours and I won't stop give you support (well, I don't need a new phone, my two jollas work still fine and hopefully will for the next two years, but I'd give support as mentioned on top of this post if you ask for it).

This said, I'm also pragmatic and - I suppose - in about two years the Ubuntu and the Plasma Mobile phone will be reasonably good too and I don't see how you could be an alternative to me then without also being open. [Edit: jolla could still be an alternative and Sailfish UI more important than being (fully) open; in addition I really like the sailor metaphor]open.